Munich - Crock of Hollywood Bullshit

Sneakypants said:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/nuclear-bomb.htm
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I asked why, not how. I asked the more philosophical standpoint, not the technical one. I'd much rather die than have someone's blood be spilt by my hand. You want to be a terrorist and kill me? Your loss. I'm going to do as much as I can to try and survive without recurring to murder myself... that's just me.
 
Why?

There was a need to kill many, many people at once, and so a device was designed to do just that.
 
Sneakypants said:
Why?

There was a need to kill many, many people at once, and so a device was designed to do just that.
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Also so we can say that we can rain hot fire from the skies. :emote_grouphug:
 
Falsey said:
Also so we can say that we can rain hot fire from the skies. :emote_grouphug:
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Indeed. Because saying we can do things give the + to the gov't penis.
 
Answa~ said:
I never meant specifically a nuclear bomb... It's a general question, on war as a whole...
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I know. I Googled "bomb" and that was the first page that came up. I know you can find answers without any of us or Google. ^^
 
I'm speaking from a possible lack of knowledge.

But, wasn't 16/19 Hi-Jackers from 9/11 from Saudi Arabia?

Why haven't we invaded or demanded free roam of their country to hunt down those bastards?

I can honestly say I don't understand, if this is true, why people ignore it and focus on Iraq, or simply afghanistan? If 16 of them are from Saudi Arabia, shouldn't we be knocking on their door rather harshly?
 
The Druw said:
But, wasn't 16/19 Hi-Jackers from 9/11 from Saudi Arabia?

Why haven't we invaded or demanded free roam of their country to hunt down those bastards?
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Damn good question.
Of course we don't know everything about all the manhunts going on. Didn't we find the vast majority of those involved, or at least know who they are?


Iraq is separate. It's not that it didn't need to happen, but the timing of it makes it seems irrelevant.
 
The Druw said:
I'm speaking from a possible lack of knowledge.

But, wasn't 16/19 Hi-Jackers from 9/11 from Saudi Arabia?

Why haven't we invaded or demanded free roam of their country to hunt down those bastards?

I can honestly say I don't understand, if this is true, why people ignore it and focus on Iraq, or simply afghanistan? If 16 of them are from Saudi Arabia, shouldn't we be knocking on their door rather harshly?
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They're dead, how can someone hunt them down? Ghostbusters?
 
Answa~ said:
They're dead, how can someone hunt them down? Ghostbusters?
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I didn't mean them exactly, as int he individuals. I meant the groups that could have been in said area. :/

Please don't take things literally when you could easily come to the conclusion of how I meant it. I'm trying to learn/have a serious discussion.


And, Sneaky, I wish we knew more about what we did as a country. I don't understand exactly how keeping us uninformed = safe...when knowledge is power? Of course I guess I should listen to my own words, but isn't that just beind paranoid?

I ask questions. I want to know the why's, when's, where's and how's. I don't like blindly following. And often I wish many other American's felt the same way....
 
The Druw said:
And, Sneaky, I wish we knew more about what we did as a country. I don't understand exactly how keeping us uninformed = safe...when knowledge is power? Of course I guess I should listen to my own words, but isn't that just beind paranoid?

I ask questions. I want to know the why's, when's, where's and how's. I don't like blindly following. And often I wish many other American's felt the same way....
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Agreed. It's a tough place to exist. If we had trust it would be much easier to accept the government's words as gospel. Why should we trust the words of the people that entertain frivilous lawsuits and change what this country has always been to suit the needs to of few that complain?

What about the masses that liked things the way they were?

At times, it definitely seems that the government is not "with" the people...That they are there, existing almost completely to bend us as far as they can without breaking us, like we're their current study group.
It definitely seems like there's an easier way.

It might sound communist, but they should be harder on the frivilous lawsuits, like the one where the lady wouldn't remove her burka for a driver's lisence picture. "Lady, it's fucking I.D. That's the way we do it. Take off the fancy mask and take the picture or we put you in a cannon and shoot your fat ass into the ocean." Why entertain that woman? Laugh at her. We would do well to take a page from other countries off-the-books laws. OR just listen to the masses. If it really was "We the people", we would not represent so many concerns from a minority that merely complains about our current laws because they're "offended" by them. "Excuse me, lady. Why do you live here?" "Show this bitch the door, please." She deserves nothing more, and the same goes for anyone who doesn't have a decent reason for taking up the time of our courts' judges.

The day this country has a vote that matters, I'll show up. For now, writing various senators does only two things: Jack and shit, aside from get me a nice letter back from their secretaries, letting me know how important my opinion is.
 
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Answa~ said:
I guess it's too late to say I'm just kidding? Sorry... I can offer next to nothing of insight on current affairs, since I stopped watching the news/reading the newspaper...
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I think the Ghostbusters thing tipped us off. I lawled.
 
Sneakypants said:
Agreed. It's a tough place to exist. If we had trust it would be much easier to accept the government's words as gospel. Why should we trust the words of the people that entertain frivilous lawsuits and change what this country has always been to suit the needs to of few that complain?

What about the masses that liked things the way they were?

At times, it definitely seems that the government is not "with" the people...That they are there, existing almost completely to bend us as far as they can without breaking us, like we're their current study group.
It definitely seems like there's an easier way.

It might sound communist, but they should be harder on the frivilous lawsuits, like the one where the lady wouldn't remove her burka for a driver's lisence picture. "Lady, it's fucking I.D. That's the way we do it. Take off the fancy mask and take the picture or we put you in a cannon and shoot your fat ass into the ocean." Why entertain that woman? Laugh at her. We would do well to take a page from other countries off-the-books laws. OR just listen to the masses. If it really was "We the people", we would not represent so many concerns from a minority that merely complains about our current laws because they're "offended" by them. "Excuse me, lady. Why do you live here?" "Show this bitch the door, please." She deserves nothing more, and the same goes for anyone who doesn't have a decent reason for taking up the time of our courts' judges.

The day this country has a vote that matters, I'll show up. For now, writing various senators does only two things: Jack and shit, aside from get me a nice letter back from their secretaries, letting me know how important my opinion is.
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Well. I see what you mean. I wouldn't call it communist, and anyone that does is just throwing out an attempt to insult you blindly because you would dare question something so beloved to them as their blind faith.

What you say to me seems like common sense. The simple ideas and thoughts that one can come to. You can honestly say that the point of a picture ID is to know that person is that person. I agree that this should have never made it to the courts. The people simply should have said "Then we can't issue it to you" and told her to GTFO. If a judge entertains this idea, I am somewhat annoyed.

Thats the thing though, we do live in the land of the free with a wonderful Bill of Rights. However:

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
 
The Druw said:
Why haven't we invaded or demanded free roam of their country to hunt down those bastards?
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Because Saudi's are friends! They sell us their oil, they let us use their airfields, they are sooooo good to us omfg we love them long time!
 
The Druw said:
Well. I see what you mean. I wouldn't call it communist, and anyone that does is just throwing out an attempt to insult you blindly because you would dare question something so beloved to them as their blind faith.

What you say to me seems like common sense. The simple ideas and thoughts that one can come to. You can honestly say that the point of a picture ID is to know that person is that person. I agree that this should have never made it to the courts. The people simply should have said "Then we can't issue it to you" and told her to GTFO. If a judge entertains this idea, I am somewhat annoyed.

Thats the thing though, we do live in the land of the free with a wonderful Bill of Rights. However:

You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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And you should be further annoyed that your taxes pay for things like that.
In my Criminal Justice studies, and touring various correctional facilities, I interviewed one of the correctional officers. It's heartbreaking every time I remember the conversation. You have to take into account one man's job...A corrections facility officier. A job that entails walking a fine line between actually being the long arm of the law that is there to enforce, that will beat down a prisoner if need be, and treading softly on a friendlier side with the prisoners...Because they know it, and you know it...A prison riot will be a losing battle for the officers. Not very settling.

Anyway, he does this job every day. He has a young son. The inmates are granted taxpayer dollars for books and classes so that they can actually graduate from COLLEGE!!! Not that it's a bad thing entirely. I am upset that my dollars fund that though. Why can't they get their education on their own dollars and steam, when they're out of prison? Where's the punishment?

...So the part that gets me is that this officer gets paid about 17k a year. Inmates, for free, during their punishment, could get their college degree, and yet this man making an honest living in a high stress job, doing the dirty work of our society will not be able to afford education for his own son.


So many things are backwards. But one thing I do know...Spielberg's a weenie!
 
Sculli said:
Because Saudi's are friends! They sell us their oil, they let us use their airfields, they are sooooo good to us omfg we love them long time!
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Why do we need friends, when we can take? It never stopped us in the past...But we're supposed to be so civilized and lead by example. This government s filled with hypocrites. Do they think that kind gestures on one hand and barbaric aggression go hand in hand, really?

Should I pretend I don't notice?



Saudis and those responsible are two different things. If the Saudis are our friends, then they'd have no problem with us looking for people that harmed us, even if it is in their precious country...
 
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