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wolfskymoon said:
You're so on WSM. I, for one, will take that bet, and definitely win^^.
The best fun i had as whm was in LoO, racing a JA RDM/WHM to remove status effects on the tank. Grannit i was baked out of my mind, but i was still keeping up going on average about everyother one of who was getting it first.
A whm beating Fast Cast 3+Hat = HAWT, averaged 6k/hr exp that party also fun times
I thank that RDM, hey got my respawnce time down a hell of a lot on removing status effects, and i was even faster as rdm/whm. For some reason, i feel like i would of fit in better if i'd started 2yrs ago
seems like most don't give this game the effort that you all did or that i give, and that makes me sad.
A whm beating Fast Cast 3+Hat = HAWT, averaged 6k/hr exp that party also fun times
I thank that RDM, hey got my respawnce time down a hell of a lot on removing status effects, and i was even faster as rdm/whm. For some reason, i feel like i would of fit in better if i'd started 2yrs ago
seems like most don't give this game the effort that you all did or that i give, and that makes me sad.Blah
I had tuned this out for a week, figured I had better things to do than constantly explaining myself for my actions over a hour or so based on 2 screen shots depicting perhaps the last 2 minutes.
First off, about the not stona'ing stuff... that was my LAST resort... it was ment, and I do believe I said this to the party, as:
"If you cannot tank properly and heal yourself..."
Then insert some incredibly frustrating comment from Elleshar
"Fuck you, stay stoned."
It was ment as last resort as in: I am not dealing with this anymore... if you're not going to tank, there is no need to even have you active. Shock factor, frustration factor, a little bit of everything after a hour of dealing with this.
As for getting superior and holier-than-thou... what would you do if your paladin went a hour in an xp pt draining your mp every fight, losing hate within 30 seconds of contact with the camp (losing hate to the point that he had to labor and DDs had to slack/turn around to shed hate)... I did the reasonable thing, asked if he could heal himself... which was met with: I cannot heal myself because my casting is always interrupted. This led to 3 or so fights of watching his cure patterns VERY closely and discerning that he had NO idea how to cast a spell while engaged to a mob and clearly was not making any attempt to do anything other than provoke and flash.
I'm not going to argue that I was wrong for losing my cool. But if you think I flew off the handle 15 minutes into a fight merely to go seek in jeuno for something better, you're wrong.
Phraust, Passions... everyone who said its a whm's responsibility to cast Barfira... consider this... it takes 2 secs to pull up the menu and look at your party configuration... ooo rdm/whm, cool. Now we're going to take a trip back to the resting patterns of whms and rdms.
95% of the time when a mob enters into the camp and engaged the whm is in the resting position
95% of the time when a mob enters into the camp and engaged the rdm is in the readied position
WHM does not have convert or an easy means to refresh itself, so it tried to get all the rest it can to ensure the chainability of the pt. The RDM on the other hand is ready to deliver its important debuffs early to get the most out of them.
Logically, the rdm/whm becomes the primary target when it comes to Barfira vs gobs. Otherwise the whm must disrupt the resting cycle, move over to the melee, buff, and clear out of the way of hazards... and the bomb we are fussing over in general was tossed within 5 secs of the mob entering into camp. It takes a about 2 to clear from resting -> standing lag, another 2-3 to move and settle so you do not interrupt... and finally a second to cast barefira. Which by my count puts the whm casting barfira right after getting nuked to death after a suicide. Once again, reason that rdm/whm should be the primary target for casting barfira (and this was the party set up in this case). I knew this, so there was no guess work in it, I worked on assumption that other players realized the basis of whm resting patterns. Which leads into my next point.
I have established that a whm loves resting that mp, so, there will be times when you will rest as much as you can until needed or you are at a satisfactory % to do the fight and be left with (theoretically) a decent amount to start resting on for the next fight. This is most likely a judgment call from whm to whm, but with a pld tank (who can and needs to do the early heals to ensure hate placement) I try to stay resting til about 80% mp depending on where I started resting at, sometimes its 50%, but just gotta use a judgment call on when is enough. If the tank is unlucky (few stray shots on a nin, or untimely attacks on a pld to drop hp fast) I will initiate the battle with a Cure 5, its disrupts hate the least and gets the fight back on the right track faster vs spamming cure 3. I would love to get up and toss cure 3 every time, but sometimes it just doesn't work that way. Sometimes yes, you do have to stand up and push out some good curing early on.
I put a lot of thought into a lot of the stuff I do. I don't keep to pre-established trends, I don't feel that I need to do it exactly how the last person who happens to be 75 did it... I do it the way that I feel will be the best given the current circumstances. And as far as I know, only Akisu has had a problem with me, I know a lot has been mentioned in this thread, but... from all my party members with me as whm, I cannot recall anyone having issues quite like I had with 1 party... and the issues were based with the paladin, but a breakdown in a position such as the tank leads to an entire party failing. This is a case of that.
We can argue over and over about this, and I will admit that I was wrong for going off the deep end on the party... after my patience had been exhausted.
Passions... would you like a crummy DD who can only hit 25% of the time telling you how to do your job? Maybe Kat would like a blm who cannot MB telling her how to do her job. Then again, maybe you'd look at them like: you obviously cannot do your job correctly, why do you insist on telling me how to do mine? This applies ten fold at 60+ when you expect people how to do their job. Once again, in a party, unless you are VERY confident with how you are doing your job, do you have the grounds to tell someone else how to?
Yes, we can debate all night about 5 minutes out of 60 and what all was done wrong. Let's disregard the first 55, those don't count. Only the last 5 where stuff really hit the fan matter. Let's base all our assumptions on 2 screenies, and the whm not stona'ing one time to illustrate the point of a very miffed off player. How do you think we survived the first 55 minutes if I was not stona'ing and silena'ing the paladin? I think the point is very clear here... you rag me for a last ditch effort in a losing battle after 30 previous where I crossed all my T's and dotted my I's. I have done cats in Laby enough to know how to pass out QUICK status removals, my refusal to remove that was purely that, a refusal.
Anyways, I am the enemy... yes, the bad person for refusing to promote ignorance at high levels, for dealing with said ignorance for an hour until I couldn't take it anymore... and yes, I am terrible for warping AFTER a fight (which I did not know that the rdm had mistargeted a lizard and had a link... definitely doesn't sound like something that needs to be blamed on me however, pawn that one off on the rdm for being a dork and mistargeting at level 60+... didn't we stop doing that in Crawler's Nest?)
Now, that I am the most evil, vile, and disgusting person on the server for having a set of standards, can we get back to playing the game and get off of the who was right and who was wrong for the last 5 minutes of a 60 minute scenario?
I had tuned this out for a week, figured I had better things to do than constantly explaining myself for my actions over a hour or so based on 2 screen shots depicting perhaps the last 2 minutes.
First off, about the not stona'ing stuff... that was my LAST resort... it was ment, and I do believe I said this to the party, as:
"If you cannot tank properly and heal yourself..."
Then insert some incredibly frustrating comment from Elleshar
"Fuck you, stay stoned."
It was ment as last resort as in: I am not dealing with this anymore... if you're not going to tank, there is no need to even have you active. Shock factor, frustration factor, a little bit of everything after a hour of dealing with this.
As for getting superior and holier-than-thou... what would you do if your paladin went a hour in an xp pt draining your mp every fight, losing hate within 30 seconds of contact with the camp (losing hate to the point that he had to labor and DDs had to slack/turn around to shed hate)... I did the reasonable thing, asked if he could heal himself... which was met with: I cannot heal myself because my casting is always interrupted. This led to 3 or so fights of watching his cure patterns VERY closely and discerning that he had NO idea how to cast a spell while engaged to a mob and clearly was not making any attempt to do anything other than provoke and flash.
I'm not going to argue that I was wrong for losing my cool. But if you think I flew off the handle 15 minutes into a fight merely to go seek in jeuno for something better, you're wrong.
Phraust, Passions... everyone who said its a whm's responsibility to cast Barfira... consider this... it takes 2 secs to pull up the menu and look at your party configuration... ooo rdm/whm, cool. Now we're going to take a trip back to the resting patterns of whms and rdms.
95% of the time when a mob enters into the camp and engaged the whm is in the resting position
95% of the time when a mob enters into the camp and engaged the rdm is in the readied position
WHM does not have convert or an easy means to refresh itself, so it tried to get all the rest it can to ensure the chainability of the pt. The RDM on the other hand is ready to deliver its important debuffs early to get the most out of them.
Logically, the rdm/whm becomes the primary target when it comes to Barfira vs gobs. Otherwise the whm must disrupt the resting cycle, move over to the melee, buff, and clear out of the way of hazards... and the bomb we are fussing over in general was tossed within 5 secs of the mob entering into camp. It takes a about 2 to clear from resting -> standing lag, another 2-3 to move and settle so you do not interrupt... and finally a second to cast barefira. Which by my count puts the whm casting barfira right after getting nuked to death after a suicide. Once again, reason that rdm/whm should be the primary target for casting barfira (and this was the party set up in this case). I knew this, so there was no guess work in it, I worked on assumption that other players realized the basis of whm resting patterns. Which leads into my next point.
I have established that a whm loves resting that mp, so, there will be times when you will rest as much as you can until needed or you are at a satisfactory % to do the fight and be left with (theoretically) a decent amount to start resting on for the next fight. This is most likely a judgment call from whm to whm, but with a pld tank (who can and needs to do the early heals to ensure hate placement) I try to stay resting til about 80% mp depending on where I started resting at, sometimes its 50%, but just gotta use a judgment call on when is enough. If the tank is unlucky (few stray shots on a nin, or untimely attacks on a pld to drop hp fast) I will initiate the battle with a Cure 5, its disrupts hate the least and gets the fight back on the right track faster vs spamming cure 3. I would love to get up and toss cure 3 every time, but sometimes it just doesn't work that way. Sometimes yes, you do have to stand up and push out some good curing early on.
I put a lot of thought into a lot of the stuff I do. I don't keep to pre-established trends, I don't feel that I need to do it exactly how the last person who happens to be 75 did it... I do it the way that I feel will be the best given the current circumstances. And as far as I know, only Akisu has had a problem with me, I know a lot has been mentioned in this thread, but... from all my party members with me as whm, I cannot recall anyone having issues quite like I had with 1 party... and the issues were based with the paladin, but a breakdown in a position such as the tank leads to an entire party failing. This is a case of that.
We can argue over and over about this, and I will admit that I was wrong for going off the deep end on the party... after my patience had been exhausted.
Passions... would you like a crummy DD who can only hit 25% of the time telling you how to do your job? Maybe Kat would like a blm who cannot MB telling her how to do her job. Then again, maybe you'd look at them like: you obviously cannot do your job correctly, why do you insist on telling me how to do mine? This applies ten fold at 60+ when you expect people how to do their job. Once again, in a party, unless you are VERY confident with how you are doing your job, do you have the grounds to tell someone else how to?
Yes, we can debate all night about 5 minutes out of 60 and what all was done wrong. Let's disregard the first 55, those don't count. Only the last 5 where stuff really hit the fan matter. Let's base all our assumptions on 2 screenies, and the whm not stona'ing one time to illustrate the point of a very miffed off player. How do you think we survived the first 55 minutes if I was not stona'ing and silena'ing the paladin? I think the point is very clear here... you rag me for a last ditch effort in a losing battle after 30 previous where I crossed all my T's and dotted my I's. I have done cats in Laby enough to know how to pass out QUICK status removals, my refusal to remove that was purely that, a refusal.
Anyways, I am the enemy... yes, the bad person for refusing to promote ignorance at high levels, for dealing with said ignorance for an hour until I couldn't take it anymore... and yes, I am terrible for warping AFTER a fight (which I did not know that the rdm had mistargeted a lizard and had a link... definitely doesn't sound like something that needs to be blamed on me however, pawn that one off on the rdm for being a dork and mistargeting at level 60+... didn't we stop doing that in Crawler's Nest?)
Now, that I am the most evil, vile, and disgusting person on the server for having a set of standards, can we get back to playing the game and get off of the who was right and who was wrong for the last 5 minutes of a 60 minute scenario?
On Professionalism
This is my job? Fancy that...
Well, sorry if I didn't show up dressed in business attire talking in proper english while displaying all my concerns in a flow chart with a slideshow to illustrate how to address the concerns.
I just figured at 60+ people could do their jobs right, and I also figured it was a game... and a game was relaxation/entertainment/casual... all of which are antonyms of professional. ^^
I left my suit at work, sorry Passions. I'm not meaning this in any offense, you've raised many good points and all of you speaking of professionalism, I am not meaning this to attack you. If you want to play the game as a business you are entitled to, but to some people, its just a game... easily turned off, easy to leave and not think twice, and easy to forget the stuff that irks you. That is how I approach it... I say my peice, if we can live with it, great, let's fix it and go... if not... I disband, I leave... as that is my perogative.
I have incorporated a few of the suggestions from here into my playing style, but it has not changed grossly based on one flame.
GL to everyone out there, though, even to you all who hate me! Happy Holidays, besides!
This is my job? Fancy that...
Well, sorry if I didn't show up dressed in business attire talking in proper english while displaying all my concerns in a flow chart with a slideshow to illustrate how to address the concerns.
I just figured at 60+ people could do their jobs right, and I also figured it was a game... and a game was relaxation/entertainment/casual... all of which are antonyms of professional. ^^
I left my suit at work, sorry Passions. I'm not meaning this in any offense, you've raised many good points and all of you speaking of professionalism, I am not meaning this to attack you. If you want to play the game as a business you are entitled to, but to some people, its just a game... easily turned off, easy to leave and not think twice, and easy to forget the stuff that irks you. That is how I approach it... I say my peice, if we can live with it, great, let's fix it and go... if not... I disband, I leave... as that is my perogative.
I have incorporated a few of the suggestions from here into my playing style, but it has not changed grossly based on one flame.
GL to everyone out there, though, even to you all who hate me! Happy Holidays, besides!
Ayrie said:
Ok. I was so sick and tired of looking at Jonas, I made him leave the shell. I told him I hated him and it was time for him to move on. I resent being brought into this arguement.
ps. Jonas, your shoes have been shined, your grass has been mowed, and your moogle has been played with.
That is all.
My Appologies
It wasn't ment to insult you Sanborn, I am sorry, please accept my appology. I was frustrated with Jonas, and Jonas alone. ^^
And Kyr... <3 Barfira, it really helps on bombs, sometimes, hehe. You cain still utterly fail to resist and get blasted hardcore, or you could resist it down to 8 damage, but it helps you resist and buffer a lot of the damage.
It wasn't ment to insult you Sanborn, I am sorry, please accept my appology. I was frustrated with Jonas, and Jonas alone. ^^
And Kyr... <3 Barfira, it really helps on bombs, sometimes, hehe. You cain still utterly fail to resist and get blasted hardcore, or you could resist it down to 8 damage, but it helps you resist and buffer a lot of the damage.
I've pted with Ayrie before and all I can say is Ayrie= Impossible to Gauge Whm.
It all boiled down to the person in the most critical role of the party performing at well above an expected level Cloud. You were an INCREDIBLE paladin, hands down one of the best I have played with. I half wish I have leveled with you as Samurai to see if you could have held true with those 1200+ Gekko's ripping on the enemy's hind side. I get the feeling though it wouldn't have budged.
Lesson to be learned: DON'T PLAY A TANK JOB IF YOU ARE A NOOB.... please?
You are in the position of the highest responsibility to the other 5 members of your parties, if you do not understand how to time a heal and manage your job abilities (or count shadows and cast the proper ninjutsu for you ninja) then please... do beastmaster or something, don't throw your ignorance around the server and then blame other people who become intolerant of it and flame them when they tell you where you belong.
Lesson to be learned: DON'T PLAY A TANK JOB IF YOU ARE A NOOB.... please?
You are in the position of the highest responsibility to the other 5 members of your parties, if you do not understand how to time a heal and manage your job abilities (or count shadows and cast the proper ninjutsu for you ninja) then please... do beastmaster or something, don't throw your ignorance around the server and then blame other people who become intolerant of it and flame them when they tell you where you belong.
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Drache said:I'm pretty sure that you all just got pwned by those two posts.
Then again its past 2am and I can't tell things apart
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I have to agree. Nice job Ayrie^^.
Just to say my little piece, Ayrie I know what you're talking about with a lot of the WHM tactics your describing. In my guide here - http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?t=16814 - I try and enlighten people about the MP bounce effect that healers can use to increase efficiency. However what I don't touch up on is dealing with parties that don't adjust well to the WHM's needs and therefore make the more advanced tactics more difficult.
The first thing I'll say is, for worse parties the best thing you can have is a LOT of MP. Mp amd Hmp are very useful for storing MP to use for more demanding parties. I've experienced a wide range of different parties and have found with proper gear I can usually keep a party going under even the worst of circumstances. To actually stop my WHM it would take a rather poor combination of unskilled players matched against a poor situation, like for example a Paladin where a Ninja is much better off and vice versa, a poor level range with the tank on the bottom, slow kills ext.
In the event that happens, well the first thing you realize is that all those techniques that you use to conserve MP, put them on the backburner. Do your job period, no matter how inefficiently you're forced to. When the MP runs out, it's out. Let the puller learn how to pull more effectively, they have to weigh any number of different options in terms of maximizes exp/hour and healer MP is not always the main concern. In times completely draining the mages then resting might be more acceptable, as it is a quicker downtime than many small downtimes, all depending on the exp chains and how they fall.
As far as ettiquite is concerned, as I said earlier in this post I believe, just ignore the other 5 people. All that matters is your own job. The more you focus on them, the less you can strategize yourself. If the exp turns out to be bad, by all means leave. You can just as easily be rid of a bad party, be back in Jeuno and NOT have made 5 enemies.
That's just personal preference, how I see things, of course many people don't like it when mages speak out because they view mages as nothing but servants, but people will get the message when WHMs refuse to party with them. And nobody is going to attain a bad reputation for not wanting to level in junk parties.
The first thing I'll say is, for worse parties the best thing you can have is a LOT of MP. Mp amd Hmp are very useful for storing MP to use for more demanding parties. I've experienced a wide range of different parties and have found with proper gear I can usually keep a party going under even the worst of circumstances. To actually stop my WHM it would take a rather poor combination of unskilled players matched against a poor situation, like for example a Paladin where a Ninja is much better off and vice versa, a poor level range with the tank on the bottom, slow kills ext.
In the event that happens, well the first thing you realize is that all those techniques that you use to conserve MP, put them on the backburner. Do your job period, no matter how inefficiently you're forced to. When the MP runs out, it's out. Let the puller learn how to pull more effectively, they have to weigh any number of different options in terms of maximizes exp/hour and healer MP is not always the main concern. In times completely draining the mages then resting might be more acceptable, as it is a quicker downtime than many small downtimes, all depending on the exp chains and how they fall.
As far as ettiquite is concerned, as I said earlier in this post I believe, just ignore the other 5 people. All that matters is your own job. The more you focus on them, the less you can strategize yourself. If the exp turns out to be bad, by all means leave. You can just as easily be rid of a bad party, be back in Jeuno and NOT have made 5 enemies.
That's just personal preference, how I see things, of course many people don't like it when mages speak out because they view mages as nothing but servants, but people will get the message when WHMs refuse to party with them. And nobody is going to attain a bad reputation for not wanting to level in junk parties.
Ok that post was just down right funny. I had to take a moment to compose myself from laughter. Ayrie I doubt anyone can reasonably fault you for your actions, maybe they would have chosen to handle it in a different way... However anyone with a brain, can understand where you were comming from.
Passion's once again you reading skills are whats subpar in this post. IE: as where I clearly said not all place's you exp in that level range you can escape from, like in cape where Ayrie's party was exp'n. Which is where you will be in trouble without a backup tank, since a DRK who can dishout some serious damage, wont last long as a tank. Thf/Nin can steal hate for a short time, without escape whats the point really?? To prolong their death, unless what remains of the party is able to kill the mob in a timely fashion.
Better to flee to the zone and come back IMO and have one less raise3 to handout.
"Oh but you can tele..." To altep?? Like I said it will take more time to do that and have to come back then to just eat a death, raise, and not risk losing your campsite.
Your Kung-Fu is weak grasshopper. For the record never did I say I don't respect the job of BLM, like BLM's in general, and/or say I don't enjoy playing BLM. I said it was an easy job to play, which it is. Which is mostly the reason why I enjoy playing BLM more then WHM. Since I can sit back, MB and add whatever status effects are needed. Each battle takes a total of maybe 3 spells casted and the mob is dead. It's a far cry less work then having to cure, haste, debuff, buff, and all the other many things a WHM has to do.
BLM's are respected simply because they are the one and only mage job at the persent time who can actually dishout some serious damage, since SMN is a SMN not a mage. If you are having such a hard time with BLM maybe it is you who needs to look into a new job.
Ayrie, seriously I wonder why the hell you would even need to worry about casting Barfira in the first place... I mean the OP said your party was there fighting sand cocks, or am I mistaken?? Then your ending up fighting gobs and liz's, makes me wonder wth was going on really. That camp has one gob who spawns there like every 10-15min. Often it wanders away for a good 2-5min after it spawns, before it gets close enough to agro your party. The rdm or blm shouldn't have had any problems sleeping it either as long as it was safe to cast diaga before sleep incase of the gob blinking. Maybe thats how they ended up "getting agro from a liz" lmao IDK.
Anywho... all sign's point to a noob party. I'd go back to paying this thread no mind.
Passion's once again you reading skills are whats subpar in this post. IE: as where I clearly said not all place's you exp in that level range you can escape from, like in cape where Ayrie's party was exp'n. Which is where you will be in trouble without a backup tank, since a DRK who can dishout some serious damage, wont last long as a tank. Thf/Nin can steal hate for a short time, without escape whats the point really?? To prolong their death, unless what remains of the party is able to kill the mob in a timely fashion.
Better to flee to the zone and come back IMO and have one less raise3 to handout.
"Oh but you can tele..." To altep?? Like I said it will take more time to do that and have to come back then to just eat a death, raise, and not risk losing your campsite.
Your Kung-Fu is weak grasshopper. For the record never did I say I don't respect the job of BLM, like BLM's in general, and/or say I don't enjoy playing BLM. I said it was an easy job to play, which it is. Which is mostly the reason why I enjoy playing BLM more then WHM. Since I can sit back, MB and add whatever status effects are needed. Each battle takes a total of maybe 3 spells casted and the mob is dead. It's a far cry less work then having to cure, haste, debuff, buff, and all the other many things a WHM has to do.
BLM's are respected simply because they are the one and only mage job at the persent time who can actually dishout some serious damage, since SMN is a SMN not a mage. If you are having such a hard time with BLM maybe it is you who needs to look into a new job.
Ayrie, seriously I wonder why the hell you would even need to worry about casting Barfira in the first place... I mean the OP said your party was there fighting sand cocks, or am I mistaken?? Then your ending up fighting gobs and liz's, makes me wonder wth was going on really. That camp has one gob who spawns there like every 10-15min. Often it wanders away for a good 2-5min after it spawns, before it gets close enough to agro your party. The rdm or blm shouldn't have had any problems sleeping it either as long as it was safe to cast diaga before sleep incase of the gob blinking. Maybe thats how they ended up "getting agro from a liz" lmao IDK.
Anywho... all sign's point to a noob party. I'd go back to paying this thread no mind.
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Just want to comment on the barfira part of your post Moev, and then I'll be quiet. Point is they were fighting a gobbie, hence cast barfira. They were fighting cocks, hence cast barstonra.
In closing, use those bar spells no matter which one it is. They help us to not use as much mp bottom line. When we keep those bar spells up, they really help out a lot. Whm's for some reason just don't use them like they should.
Mebbe some of you other whm's disagree with me, but I have found them to be very useful overall with conserving mp.
In closing, use those bar spells no matter which one it is. They help us to not use as much mp bottom line. When we keep those bar spells up, they really help out a lot. Whm's for some reason just don't use them like they should.
Mebbe some of you other whm's disagree with me, but I have found them to be very useful overall with conserving mp.
Geez....
Lol same old kat... you just love to give me shit don't ya
??? j/k
I totally agree, Baranything is a great way to save yourself that extra mp you would otherwise have to waste. As in only needing a curaga2 instead of 3, ect.
I was just meaning that if they were there exp'n on Cocks then barfira should only be an issue every 10-20min, when that one pain in the butt gob pops and decides to agro.
Your gonna have to help me out on this one kat, cause im working 40-70Hr weeks at the hospital atm and my brain is permamush. Isn't barspells related to enhancing magic? It's been so long god I forget really. I think rdm's have a fairly high enhancing magic compared to a WHM if not more. Once again honestly don't remember. Which is why it's almost as effective to have the rdm cast some of the baraspells that they are able to instead of the whm. (if memory servers me correct) That along with the reason's Aryie already mentioned in regards to resting and hmp. I remember that rdm's don't get alot of the baraspells rather the barspells instead which might be an issue.
I guess myself and WHM's like us were alot more lucky when we leveled back in the day (the time before melee RDM's lol), since I can only really remember having some pretty kickass uber RDM's who did a great job of supporting me as a WHM, and didn't get all bitchy or snotty when I asked them to cast a certain spell for me in the best interests of DT and EXP.
Really to me in the end the real issue isn't about who didn't cast what spell at what time, whom was rude to whom first, or any of all that. They wouldn't give a WHM a spell that wasn't ever intended to be used, even Aquaveil and Deoderize have their times when can be extreemly useful. Granted it's not often, but trust me when it's one of those times you'll be glad you have it.
It all boils down to a bad party where all the members didn't work together as a unit. Lack of teamwork and communication. After a extended period of time of this happening people lost their cool or tempers, things were said and Ayrie left which was for the best.
I am sure that if the PLD was able to do his job or if the party was able to work together and effectively communicate, then nobody would be sitting here typing about all this in the first place. That to me is the real issue, teamwork.
Kat thanks for pointing out this though, after I posted it I noticed how it sounded but don't have the option to edit so whichever. I am glad you brought it to my attention, before someone else would try to twist my point into something that I wasn't trying to say. I know I do that quite often, leave myself open to have people try and twist my point around, but meh you can't teach an old dog new tricks lol.
Lol same old kat... you just love to give me shit don't ya
??? j/kI totally agree, Baranything is a great way to save yourself that extra mp you would otherwise have to waste. As in only needing a curaga2 instead of 3, ect.
I was just meaning that if they were there exp'n on Cocks then barfira should only be an issue every 10-20min, when that one pain in the butt gob pops and decides to agro.
Your gonna have to help me out on this one kat, cause im working 40-70Hr weeks at the hospital atm and my brain is permamush. Isn't barspells related to enhancing magic? It's been so long god I forget really. I think rdm's have a fairly high enhancing magic compared to a WHM if not more. Once again honestly don't remember. Which is why it's almost as effective to have the rdm cast some of the baraspells that they are able to instead of the whm. (if memory servers me correct) That along with the reason's Aryie already mentioned in regards to resting and hmp. I remember that rdm's don't get alot of the baraspells rather the barspells instead which might be an issue.
I guess myself and WHM's like us were alot more lucky when we leveled back in the day (the time before melee RDM's lol), since I can only really remember having some pretty kickass uber RDM's who did a great job of supporting me as a WHM, and didn't get all bitchy or snotty when I asked them to cast a certain spell for me in the best interests of DT and EXP.
Really to me in the end the real issue isn't about who didn't cast what spell at what time, whom was rude to whom first, or any of all that. They wouldn't give a WHM a spell that wasn't ever intended to be used, even Aquaveil and Deoderize have their times when can be extreemly useful. Granted it's not often, but trust me when it's one of those times you'll be glad you have it.
It all boils down to a bad party where all the members didn't work together as a unit. Lack of teamwork and communication. After a extended period of time of this happening people lost their cool or tempers, things were said and Ayrie left which was for the best.
I am sure that if the PLD was able to do his job or if the party was able to work together and effectively communicate, then nobody would be sitting here typing about all this in the first place. That to me is the real issue, teamwork.
Kat thanks for pointing out this though, after I posted it I noticed how it sounded but don't have the option to edit so whichever. I am glad you brought it to my attention, before someone else would try to twist my point into something that I wasn't trying to say. I know I do that quite often, leave myself open to have people try and twist my point around, but meh you can't teach an old dog new tricks lol.
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I pt with Ayrie she is very skilled WHM
I was with her in exp on Laby place, I was on PLD ^^
I love her whm skill and she love my pld tanking skill
I was with her in exp on Laby place, I was on PLD ^^
I love her whm skill and she love my pld tanking skill