Nerf Treasure Hunter!!

getting blm to 75 is hard...

we barely get pt invites :(

and and and it may be no skill to do blm onry dm and ks but it sure as hell doesn't take 0 skill to get that piece of shit job to 73 to use the spell.

if it was that easy everyone would have a blm job to 1 shot cast to complete dm.

but all those haters that cant get the job to 73+ complain...
pfft fuck off.
 
Barely get invites? I get flooded just for not being anon -always have. Pretty much every mage gets a comparatively high invite rate. As far as being easy to level, it's hardly an autoattack and go afk job, but compared to the jobs that have to pay attention to anything, we have it pretty easy. We don't have to mess with aoe radius and pt formation like bards. We don't have to keep several spell cycles juggled like Rdm. We'll never be forced to main heal w/o the tools for the job like Smn (at certain level ranges with certain tanks). We start with some enfeebles, drain, aspir, burst, and finish off the mob, hopefully not being midcast if the need to stun arises. Curing statuses and backup healing is icing on the cake. Blm is a pretty laid back job.
 
Pompidou said:
We'll never be forced to main heal w/o the tools for the job like Smn (at certain level ranges with certain tanks).
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What tools does a SMN have that you wouldn't? Last I knew neither job had a cure spell. Unless you count Healing Ruby......
 
Shaunessy said:
What tools does a SMN have that you wouldn't? Last I knew neither job had a cure spell. Unless you count Healing Ruby......
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Aerial Armor, Earthen Ward, Hastega, Noctoshield all help a smn as main healer.
 
You guys are missing my point. You were screaming nerf at blm onry events then had the nerve to show up (even if invited) to receive an item that you wanted. You didn't leave when you saw it was a bunch of blms there doing it. You wanted a piece of what you also want nerfed and that was my problem with it.

Baja you didn't even come as whm to help raise us that were still dead after the fight. Rones helped out with that till I got istar there the take care of it (again ty rones).
 
Passions said:
You guys are missing my point. You were screaming nerf at blm onry events then had the nerve to show up (even if invited) to receive an item that you wanted. You didn't leave when you saw it was a bunch of blms there doing it. You wanted a piece of what you also want nerfed and that was my problem with it.

Baja you didn't even come as whm to help raise us that were still dead after the fight. Rones helped out with that till I got istar there the take care of it (again ty rones).
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And you're completely ignoring what I've been saying.

First off, you completely missed the part where I said that even if it hadn't been a manaburn run I would have come if invited for a tongue. If I had used an orb with you guys, then you could say hypocrisy(because then I'm adding to blm-only events), but the only thing I did was show up so that an item wouldn't be wasted. And yes, I was invited after the run had already started. If I had shown up at the start of the run, then I'd be showing some nerve and hypocrisy, but again the only reason I showed up was I was told "hey, we're just throwing these away, come lot them."

Second, I didn't come on white mage, because I wasn't asked too. If you looked carefully, you'd have seen the little (!) next to my head which meant I was lfg on my samurai at the time. If I had been asked to bring my whm to raise people after the fights, I would have. Hell, if you guys had asked me to go back after I had shown up and change to a white mage, I probably would have. Well, until you guys decided to be immature shits; then I really didn't give a fuck what you guys did anymore.

Seriously, grow the fuck up; I did not call SE to have them nerf black mages, stop saying/acting like I did. The only thing that I have done is explain exactly why SE would see a nerf as a solution to a problem. If the players weren't abusing the job and ignoring all the others, then there'd be no need for a nerf. I seriously hope that the change will actually lead to strategy being used and not just "throw xxx job at the mob until it dies." Not everyone disagreed with SE's decision, and you're going to have to learn how to play with them. If not, oh well, guess you'll be the lolblm.
 
No offense Baja, just give up. All the BLMs see is nerf and now they are out for blood. Doesn't matter if there is good reasoning behind it or not, they just are angry and want someone else to blame besides themselves.
 
Bajaratt said:
I seriously hope that the change will actually lead to strategy being used and not just "throw xxx job at the mob until it dies." Not everyone disagreed with SE's decision, and you're going to have to learn how to play with them. If not, oh well, guess you'll be the lolblm.
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The above won't happen even if blm is nerfed. People have already designated smn as the next blm. Some people are prematurely designating blu as the next blm. In any event, the heirarchy of #1 jobs to stack and exploit is already somewhat materialized in many people's minds. SE can change the #1 job infinitely, till it comes full circle back to ranger and blm and beyond, but they can't nerf the mindset of the playerbase. FFXI decision making is largely a function of laziness and blindly following. If one HNMLS stacks summoners and wins X battle, there will be no further thought on the issue. The idea of coming up with better strategies isn't as easy as following someone else's walkthrough on a battle. If you want endgame and mission battles to be comprised of balanced parties, you'll have to make sure you're the first person to say "Balanced parties are the ONLY strategy that works". Noone will doubt you because you said it first and noone thinks independently. That's how to solve the problem of job stacking.
 
I still find this TERRIBLY sad. You guys are acting like BLMs are gonna get their hands chopped off and their mouths sewn shut so they're forced to eat thru their noses as a means to get survive or some sh-!t AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GETTING ADJUSTED YET. If you think BLM is gonna get nerfed so badly that SMN is gonna out-DD them, then really,







.
Fill that void with resounding "ha"s. My party got muscled out of KRT because a bunchof 71-73BLMs were -ga III-ing everything in the general area. Even the 71 BLM nuked that crap, a few notches into IT, for 1100+. Spinning Dive on those things did 800 at absolute best, usually closer to 600. I think the only reason SMN is seen as the "second best DD" right now is because they can do half-decent numbers without getting mauled.

Bailing on your prized job just because of a planned adjustedment = pathetic.
Planning on going SMN to be the "next best thing" = extremely pathetic.
Bandwagoning to always be "the best" DD rather than just playing how you please = beyond pathetic.

It's a goddamn game. Stop trying to act like being the uberest job makes you some overlord on the server populus and just go play a job you goddamn enjoy, hopefully you're not so shallow as to just hump a job for the big numbers it can do and nothing else. You guys are gonna be twisting your guts in half if they make a BC/KS that has Silencega and disables item use.


And what's this crap I'm hearing about not giving MNKs behemoth tongues just because they don't agree with your outlook on stuff? Christ, that's almost as bad as the JPs trying to charge NAs 100m for A.Body or just letting it drop to someone in their alliance who already has two of the thing. And here I was thinking you all hated that kindof sh-!t, silly me.
 
Mishaela said:
I still find this TERRIBLY sad. You guys are acting like BLMs are gonna get their hands chopped off and their mouths sewn shut so they're forced to eat thru their noses as a means to get survive or some sh-!t AND YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT'S GETTING ADJUSTED YET. If you think BLM is gonna get nerfed so badly that SMN is gonna out-DD them, then really,







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Fill that void with resounding "ha"s. My party got muscled out of KRT because a bunchof 71-73BLMs were -ga III-ing everything in the general area. Even the 71 BLM nuked that crap, a few notches into IT, for 1100+. Spinning Dive on those things did 800 at absolute best, usually closer to 600. I think the only reason SMN is seen as the "second best DD" right now is because they can do half-decent numbers without getting mauled.

Bailing on your prized job just because of a planned adjustedment = pathetic.
Planning on going SMN to be the "next best thing" = extremely pathetic.
Bandwagoning to always be "the best" DD rather than just playing how you please = beyond pathetic.

It's a goddamn game. Stop trying to act like being the uberest job makes you some overlord on the server populus and just go play a job you goddamn enjoy, hopefully you're not so shallow as to just hump a job for the big numbers it can do and nothing else. You guys are gonna be twisting your guts in half if they make a BC/KS that has Silencega and disables item use.


And what's this crap I'm hearing about not giving MNKs behemoth tongues just because they don't agree with your outlook on stuff? Christ, that's almost as bad as the JPs trying to charge NAs 100m for A.Body or just letting it drop to someone in their alliance who already has two of the thing. And here I was thinking you all hated that kindof sh-!t, silly me.
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Telling people that the reasons you want to play a game should be the same reasons they should want to play a game = pathetic.

Calling people thieves because of a strategy they use and then asking for an item created by that method = pathetic.

Crying how all jobs are equally balanced, and then blaming people for using the advantages and then calling for a nerf = pathetic.




I'm not worried about any specific job nef. I've got 3 other 75 jobs, all with their sky gear, all merited out. I've already got my SMN climbing through the 60s. You think a nerf can stop me? I just see it as hurtful for all the server, as BLM are a great benefit to endgame activity.
 
Mishaela is correct. If you think you're immune to a nerf because you've already got your backup lined up, it's just going to follow you around for the rest of your career. It's not about the job. It's about the players. Nerfs follow players.

Black mage wouldn't be nerfed if they weren't being used to scavenge gil off people's kindred seals and one-shot stones, sleepga the pops, and one-shot the pops, just like ranger would never have been nerfed if any other meleer weren't being left in Jeuno for every single party-based event in the game.

It's a player problem. You having other jobs? Not going to do much.
 
What the hell is wrong with all you melees? Its the melees that pay BLMs kindred seals for this fight. If any of you whining little bitches wants to do that KSNM you can do it another way. Maybe you are angry that this isnt a way you can make money? Well there are a million ways to make gil on this server with any job.
 
6 PLD can monopolize KS30 scorps too btw

helo money now plz thx
 
6 anything can virtually do KS30.. people are just too damn lazy to try :\ I'm even sure that WHM/NIN could each solo one scorp decently. I don't really see how any job couldn't take a scorp. They aren't THAT hard.
 
Bajaratt said:
Aerial Armor, Earthen Ward, Hastega, Noctoshield all help a smn as main healer.
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That has nothing to do with curing. That is buffing a party which is totally different.

I hope BLMs get smacked so hard when they do this that for a BLM to cause damage they have to hit things with their wand. Fuck BLM, fuck KS BCNMs, fuck Thundaga III, fuck the whole job. Blue Mage is gonna own Black Mage anyway.
 
Shaunessy said:
That has nothing to do with curing. That is buffing a party which is totally different.
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3 of those lessen damage taken by the party, which lowers the amount of curing needed or removing it all together; therefore allowing a smn with only cure 3 to be an effective main healer for a party. Saying their buffs don't help is like saying brd's are useless and protect/shell is a waste of time.
 
Shaunessy said:
That has nothing to do with curing. That is buffing a party which is totally different.

I hope BLMs get smacked so hard when they do this that for a BLM to cause damage they have to hit things with their wand. Fuck BLM, fuck KS BCNMs, fuck Thundaga III, fuck the whole job. Blue Mage is gonna own Black Mage anyway.
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well looky here! More jealousy!
 
Elemmire said:
6 anything can virtually do KS30.. people are just too damn lazy to try :\ I'm even sure that WHM/NIN could each solo one scorp decently. I don't really see how any job couldn't take a scorp. They aren't THAT hard.
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Nerfs are social fixes more than functional fixes. It's not that anyone needs blms any more than any other job. It's that they tell you you do and you believe it. So long as you can't convince a lot of people that black mage isn't NEEDED, they're going to be socially nerfed until a black mage is not any more important than a dragoon.

Again, in a perfect world--the world the dev. team is going for, a samurai and a black mage would be unequally equal. To play black mage for some perceived aquisition of power is to call a nerf down on yourself. To not invite a dark knight because of a lack of perceived power is the same thing--a catalyst for a social nerf to force people into unequal equality.
 
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