New Absolute Virtue Info?

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Keeping the person anonymous, here is the PM :
Absolute Virtue will use the available 2hrs of the main jobs in attacking alliance/hate list. Ideally you want to contain the amount of abilities at its disposal, simply to ‘maintain’. You will want jobs that have 2hrs that can be eliminated by Dispel and Sleep, given Stun is ‘mostly harmless’; in order to contain AV’s output. AV is a Dragoon, dragon affinity,speculated to keep DRG as primary job/ability set. Mitigate AV’s melee output with Blind and Sleep/Sleep II. Sleep and SleepII used to interupt undesirable spells and TP moves. AV is actually the designers comment on the direction the player community was taking ninja at the time. Thus ninja mains are a big no no due to Mijin Gakure. Blue Mage, Corsair, Puppetmaster, Scholar, and Dancer 2hr abilities are not in AV’s ability pool, so on paper these jobs present do not present additional abilities. Use opposing elemental spells and opposing elemental debuffs to the vanadielian day to mitigate regen.

Main Points:

1.)2hrs that affect status (SP icon) and Benediction are not your friends.
2.)Tank: Paladin. *do not put a ninja in your alliance.
3.) Regen effect utilize opposing elemental debuffs and spells to elemental day.

Now with these ideas one can develop and strategy to ‘maintain’ control with the beast.

I assume the handling of aern wyverns and links is something that doesnt really affect containing the main subject at hand, in that i assume/pressume you have a decent strategy for those and that handling the AV is the issue. I assume the same with regard to method of dealing damage. ;)

Please read the fine print :)


Key Points:

- Blind: mitigates melee accuracy and dmg of Absolute Virtue.

- Sleep and Sleep II to Interrupt/Stun Absolute Virtues spells and TP
moves.

- Dispel: AV’s status effect 2hrs asap… Chainspell, Mighty Strikes, Hundred Fist, Manafont, Invincible, Soul Voice, Blood Weapon, Astral Flow etc.

- When AV 2hrs, alliance/hate list 2hrs …
a: Clearing available 2hrs in alliance/hate list limits availabilty to AV.
b: Mainly to eliminate the possibilty of Benediction being used by AV
c: Zerg AV HP down if Benediction was used.
d: do no bring a nin/xxx to party Mijin Gakure on the 2hr list is not negotiable.

I also spoke further about the 2hour thing, they mentioned that the AV video was kind of misleading and AV 2houring has nothing to do with when you 2hour, people were matching it to the first person who 2houred so there’s no time in between the first person’s 00:00:00 and someone elses 00:00:00 counter, even if there’s a split second of time then there’s a chance he can 2 hour. So basically anyone around AV with a 2hour up will let AV 2hour, according to this theory everyone around him absolutely must blow their 2hour.

His words :
from what i understand. not supposed to resist sleep or sleepII, its supposed to stun him, like a jab.

2hrs… there is that about pairing of 2hrs… dont have 2hrs. dont have 2hrs. if i could be said in three compacted words dont have 2hrs :)

honestly has nothing to do with jobs with regard to benedection being available. <(LW note : I asked him about replacing WHMs with SCHs to strip potential benediction)

that video you mentioned… the key to what is being communicated is the first 2hr.

its not absolute virture its the main tank

on the second cut the first 2hr is that same tank then AV followed by everyone simultaneously they are all on the same timer. They are at that point 2hr spamming to keep AV from even using one. The give or take massive amounts of hours is if douche bag gets benediction off in the span of about 2 seconds in an ideal situation.
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Not sure where this info came from, or how viable it is. but if this info is true. It may help with AV tactics.

http://wafiks.com/blog/
 
So with what I read here... Blue Army of Death works again with a single party to hold the main mob and an off shoot party to take care of the spawns. This is almost a PW clone, yes?

If this all were true, it will not take people long to start treating AV like Kirin.....

Honestly as a PLD though... I like the thought of NINs being a 100% no no in a fight!

Anyone try something like this post yet?
 
much better theory currently being discussed on BG atm imo
(sleep doesn't interupt when resisted, lots of evidence of 2hours being used of jobs not at AV ect.)

BG talking about torques +2 hours idea comes from some JP magazine.
 
Yeah the torque theory does make a lot of sense to me at least and I don't think its anything that has been tried yet so we just have to wait to find out.
 
The guys doesn't know sleep spam is for hate.
 
I doubt that guy works for SE. His typing is horrible. Unless its some JP employee of SE that decided to hook up a random person on BG, but why Wafik of everyone? There's a lot of other people to hook up.

I'd say its just a random theory someone PM'd him.
 
I heard a rumor about using the torque and weapon to lock the two hour, like for example a drg with love torque and love halberd = Call Wyvern is locked. Not stating it as fact, just throwing it out there. Source will remain anonymous.
 
I heard a rumor about using the torque and weapon to lock the two hour, like for example a drg with love torque and love halberd = Call Wyvern is locked. Not stating it as fact, just throwing it out there. Source will remain anonymous.

Not really an anonymous source, that theory has a big as post on BG. <_<;
 
My bad, I don't really read BG.
 
Is this a troll? I'm being very serious.

Key Points:

- Blind: mitigates melee accuracy and dmg of Absolute Virtue.

- Sleep and Sleep II to Interrupt/Stun Absolute Virtues spells and TP
moves.

- Dispel: AV’s status effect 2hrs asap… Chainspell, Mighty Strikes, Hundred Fist, Manafont, Invincible, Soul Voice, Blood Weapon, Astral Flow etc.
Those are RDMs best hate spells and nothing more.
 
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Just a guess, I would imagine the reason there are no NINs is because purposely using mijin gakure negatively effects the group versus any other 2 hour which does not.
 
Just a guess, I would imagine the reason there are no NINs is because purposely using mijin gakure negatively effects the group versus any other 2 hour which does not.

Maybe if you eliminate Call Wyvern, it in turn eliminates Mijin Gakure? I mean, doesn't AV need his Wyverns to do that?
 
Maybe if you eliminate Call Wyvern, it in turn eliminates Mijin Gakure? I mean, doesn't AV need his Wyverns to do that?

I think nins would get raped by aeroga, or any weapon skill anyway. Also you probably need to keep the same tank party as JoL if you ever go for AV due to the 2H limit.
 
Is this a troll? I'm being very serious.

Key Points:

- Blind: mitigates melee accuracy and dmg of Absolute Virtue.

- Sleep and Sleep II to Interrupt/Stun Absolute Virtues spells and TP
moves.

- Dispel: AV’s status effect 2hrs asap… Chainspell, Mighty Strikes, Hundred Fist, Manafont, Invincible, Soul Voice, Blood Weapon, Astral Flow etc.

Those are RDMs best hate spells and nothing more.

Unless you're talking about how they're used on AV... don't play RDM. I agree that I have reservations about thinking that these spells would work in this fashion...
 
Maybe if you eliminate Call Wyvern, it in turn eliminates Mijin Gakure? I mean, doesn't AV need his Wyverns to do that?

Nah, it was stated AV is inherently a DRG.
 
Unless you're talking about how they're used on AV... don't play RDM. I agree that I have reservations about thinking that these spells would work in this fashion...

I'm confused by your quote, why are you telling him not to play rdm? Those spells are indeed high enmity spells, which is why a pld/rdm spams them on JoL, if they were using a rdm to tank (anything) that is what you'd expect to see.
 
Unless you're talking about how they're used on AV... don't play RDM. I agree that I have reservations about thinking that these spells would work in this fashion...

He was... Hence why the quote mentions AV.

I'm confused by your quote, why are you telling him not to play rdm? Those spells are indeed high enmity spells, which is why a pld/rdm spams them on JoL, if they were using a rdm to tank (anything) that is what you'd expect to see.

You don't use PLD/RDM, PLD/NIN only because AV hits like a truck. The SE video shows them using a RDM to tank which is why those spells should be mentioned, but the effects listed don't occur in this instance when AV is immune to all debuffs except Shadowbind.
 
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