New jobs, Valkurm, PLing, Blue Mages

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Okay, big problem I have here because of the release of the expansion. There's a -huge- amount of new jobs in Valkurm, and like, very few regular jobs. There aren't even enough healers for parties in Valkurm, because the groups tend to be almost nothing but the new jobs. I haven't been there myself, but listening to LS members that -are- there with new jobs, I know that at least 3 out of 6 jobs in those parties are the new jobs, if not more.

Why is this a problem? Well for one, groups will -not- be like that later on, when people finally get bored with the new toys, and go back to their old jobs. Then you're stuck with a level 22 Blue Mage that doesn't know how to play their job correctly. The Valkurm (or Buburimu) parties are the first parties that jobs usually get for exp, and its where people should be learning how their job fits into a party. When there aren't typical parties, everyone gets tossed into a random role instead of learning which roles are best for their party. I got asked while soloing my 11 BLU/RDM to join a party and be main healer. Okay, I'm no expert on Blue Mages, but I know they are -not- healers, especially not with a Red Mage subjob. Blue Mages don't even get an ability to heal other party members until like, level 16 I believe, and having a Cure spell with the healing skill of a level 5 red mage isn't really the best MAIN healer.

Honestly, I feel pretty confident in my idea of what Blue mage -should- do in a party, based on the soloing I've done and my ideas of what its abilities allow it to do, but I'm waiting to get into a party until the 95% of the current new-jobs will get bored and go back to their normal jobs.

Of course, this party arrangement leads me to one of my most hated things in FFXI. Powerleveling people that don't know how to do their job. Since Corsair, Puppetmaster and Blue Mage are all new jobs, -no one- knows exactly how to do their job, so there's -no- excuse for power leveling them. "There's no white mages in Valkurm though", that's no excuse! Powerleveling people that can't do their jobs just leaves problems for higher level parties being stuck with stupid people that can't do their jobs. This is especially bad for people PLing Blue Mages, since chances are, the Blue Mages aren't learning their abilities, which is my next little rant.

Blue Mages. There's too many of them near the end of dunes, or already -out- of dunes, for my liking. Why? I honestly don't think they have all, or even most, of their abilities. People may not think this is a problem, because the ones that see these Blue Mages are the ones in the parties that are being powerleveled, so they don't really notice things like that. But in comparison, a Blue Mage not learning all its abilities when it should, would be like a White Mage running around without the Bar-spells. Or a Black Mage going through Valkurm with nothing but Stone and Poison. Or a Warrior tanking with nothing but a sword and level one armor. Blue Magic abilities are crucial parts of the job, just like White/Black magic spells, or good armor, and skipping them just isn't acceptable.

"It's too hard to learn Blue Magic". Get another job then! Yes, it takes patience to get the abilities unless you have unusually good luck, but if you really want to play Blue Mage, you -have- to do it. Think of it this way, instead of buying the spells, and farming for the gil you need to buy them, you're spending that time learning the abilities directly instead. Honestly, I think the only people that would really complain about the learning system of Blue Mage abilities are gilbuyers, who don't want to spend time working for their abilities, and just want to spend some money and have the abilities handed to them. I don't think there's any job that's really that cheap to level, so everyone needs to do farming at some point, meaning they should be used to the idea of spending time to get certain things, just this time it's getting the item directly, like looking for rare items or something.

I can't wait until this rush of jobs dies off... Then I can stop soloing my Blue Mage and show parties what a good Blue Mage can do. With all its abilities, maxed Blue Magic skill, and knowing when to use which abilities, Blue Mage is strong, yet I've heard from a lot of people "Blue Mage can't deal much damage". Obviously if you're not playing it right, it wont deal much damage...
 
I'm taking advantage of the rush of people in the dunes to level subs. The cors and blus I've partied with seemed to do fine and I haven't been PLed once.
 
I think the OP is jumping the gun a bit - I was in dunes yesterday and flew from 12-17 in a few hours, and yes I already have all the spells I needed to those levels, as well as a few above me for good measure.

Dont worry about the tells you will get to be main healer. The job is still brand new, the noobs will just see 'Mage' and think you can operate as a 'healer'. Healing Breeze (or um.. wind, I forget) heals for a max (it appears) of 60hp per person per use, and it takes 55mp to use it and quite a bit to cast timewise.

I play BLU/RDM at the moment too, and I was playing with another 2 blus last night in dunes. Granted, one of them was perhaps missing a couple of spells, but all 3 of us functioned well enough to DD mobs to death.

It pains me to see some of the points you are raising, like that all who complain about blu must be gilbuyers - I dont want to pick apart every bit of your rant but that is just rubbish.

Firstly, Squeenix seem to have gotton their facts wrong about how you can learn spells, and not giving us anywhere near enough detail. Indeed, you can learn spells from TW mobs, as well as so far being able to learn spells which are 10 levels above the level you currently are. Are these bugs? Is SE just playing with us?

I think everyone should be allowed to moan about how much time can be spent levelling spells - but you are coming off a complete arse on this point.

*I can't wait until this rush of jobs dies off... Then I can stop soloing my Blue Mage and show parties what a good Blue Mage can do.*

Who says you are a 'good' blue mage if you dont party? Ego-much? I am already showing Dunes what a Blue mage can do who has some comprehension of what the job, to me, should be. It's not brain surgery, its not like you need a degree in MMOs to understand, you are going to be fighting a certain group of mobs, you set the spells most effective for killing them and use the spells accordingly. Thats it - what is so hard about that?

Get down off your high horse, its still early days and we are just beginning to understand what a BLU can do.
 
I see one problem overall with this post. You claim people can't learn their jobs with plvls. You say theres so many people that they won't know how to function in a normal party.

Well has it ever occured to you that most of the people who have these jobs are probally fairly high leveled in one, or several, other job(s). Sure they may not be the best at their job, but if they grasped the concept, I am sure they will be able to quickly learn to adjust their play style.

You said yourself people need to learn how to play the jobs, well what better way then joining a party and learning from the mistakes they make.
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: This is a great time to level any job other than the three new ones. The glut of lowbie players trying to fill out a party makes for easy invites. That's why I spent Sunday morning leveling my Monk.

I partied with two different BLUs over the course of the morning. Both were BLU/NIN and seemed to be doing pretty good damage (they largely used Wild Oats, Feather Storm and spammed Bludgeon). Leveling those jobs now and forging your own identity before the "cookie cutter" arrangements are found isn't a bad idea, though.
 
I refuse to be a BLU Main Healer, that is what happened to SMN.
 
I don't see the huge problem with these people being powerleveled. If blu isnt a healer as you say, then powerlevelling isn't going to affect their job. They are still trying to do as much damage as possible. Powerlevelling a whm however, is complete bullshit.
 
blu/war would tank fine with cocoon and like metallic body. cocoon is insane. i'm scared when blue mages can use phalanx too if it's not considered the same buff ;;
 
Well has it ever occured to you that most of the people who have these jobs are probally fairly high leveled in one, or several, other job(s). Sure they may not be the best at their job, but if they grasped the concept, I am sure they will be able to quickly learn to adjust their play style.

true as that statement may be, think about the other half of the equasion. the noobs that are getting a free ride cause of the PL. i for one agree that all the PLsthat have shown up in the dunes will come back to haunt us l8r. while im certain the old schoolers that r lvling the new jobs will be more then able to ajust. but i worry that we're gonna see a new wave of lvl 50+ players that still dont know how to do something as simple as lineing up sata. i invited a lvl 60 thf once that couldnt sata properly to save his life (and hes he got picked off quite often).
 
Prothall said:
I don't see the huge problem with these people being powerleveled. If blu isnt a healer as you say, then powerlevelling isn't going to affect their job. They are still trying to do as much damage as possible. Powerlevelling a whm however, is complete bullshit.

PLing is very frowned upon by most for a few reasons.. The only time it's truly acceptable is on a job YOU KNOW.

IE: I have a level 32war, 46sam.. I know my role as a DD, so if a friend came to pl my dunes PT of say, my Mnk? Sure, cause I know the job from other ones, and Mnk is about as complicated as connect-the-dots.

Blue/Cor/Pup are COMPLETELY NEW. People who get PL'd on these jobs disgust me. You all were crying forever about "omg blu" and "omg pirate" yet you get hand-held through the levels? I understand if you have a VERY good friend with nothing better to do, but ask them to perhaps ONLY kill adds or if you are gonna die to a mob, hit CFH so they can kill it and cure you.
This way you are sorta "punished" for screwing up or doing your job incorrectly.

I personally love soloing new jobs, I do not have the expansion but I am certain I will take each one to 15 before I ever think to step foot into a pt.

But before then? I am gonna take advantage of the rush and level all my subs (mnk, nin, drk, thf, rng, etc) and pay close attention to every new job, then utilize what is best.

PLing gimps people, not just WHM's. They don't bother with hate/mp control, SC's, links.. They get lazy and are the people who end up in the FB every day for sucking horribly.

Stop being a pussy and level your own job without someone giving you an umbrella of protection.
 
Ok, since a few of you have already said that some BLUs have done fine... just what is good damage to you? I need to see a large difference from the BLUs and PUPs I've PTed with.
 
I think it's interesting that the OP seems to have a level 30 rdm as their highest job. This is before convert and refresh. Thus, they cannot even claim to know the finer points of working rdm yet.

To Shaid: while monk through the dunes may not be complicated, I hardly ever see my character in exp parties because I'm hitting so many /equip macros. Pulling gear, chi-blast boosting gear, first voke gear, accuracy v str gear depending on mobs or even mob tp moves, bla bla bla. So yeah, maybe it doesn't matter much in a dunes party, but I think I have something like 40 of 60 inventory slots devoted to exp equipment when I put my flag up.

So I do think each job works a little differently, in terms of what you learn. Even learning how much hate you get when you boost+combo in the dunes on a fly vs a crab is something monk can pick up at that level. With a pl, you don't worry much about turning the mob.

That said, I did consider getting thief pl'd to 15, since it was only useful as a puller before sneak attack, and I wanted to go to a party able to do some damgae. Wound up soloing that too, though.
 
I totally see where you're coming from Ichi, already from having lvled my NIN in the dunes I have a lot of doubts especially about the BLUs as to whether they will be able to do their job effeciently (I assume their class is a DD/Nuking job?) I was in a decent party last night, but I remember the party before that the BLU only had maybe 2 abilities, and was only doing between 5-10 dmg every couple of minutes. Their basic attack was also very weak and this really made me doubt as to whether I would end up appreciating this class at all when I made parties myself (though as I said to you yesterday, I expect you to lvl up soon so I can party and see what a BLU can really do)

The only thing that i've seen so far is that a larger group is obsessed with BLU and instead of taking the time to learn their abilities, they're rushing through the lvls with job. I really don't think i'd like to spend hours learning abilities which is why this will probably be the last job i'll try, but it urks me that people would rather just lvl a job then really educate themselves about it and obviously utilize it to its fullest, but learning all the learnable abilities.

I'm already sick of seeing nothing but BLU, COR and PUP. I want to start lvling with DRK, THF, BLM, RDM and all the others again!!!!
 
Shaidalyn said:
Stop being a pussy and level your own job without someone giving you an umbrella of protection.
Exactly. The problem with PL's is that it makes for pussy players. And anyway, the three jobs seem to be able to solo quite well.
 
Shaidalyn said:
PLing is very frowned upon by most for a few reasons.. The only time it's truly acceptable is on a job YOU KNOW.

IE: I have a level 32war, 46sam.. I know my role as a DD, so if a friend came to pl my dunes PT of say, my Mnk? Sure, cause I know the job from other ones, and Mnk is about as complicated as connect-the-dots.

Blue/Cor/Pup are COMPLETELY NEW. People who get PL'd on these jobs disgust me. You all were crying forever about "omg blu" and "omg pirate" yet you get hand-held through the levels? I understand if you have a VERY good friend with nothing better to do, but ask them to perhaps ONLY kill adds or if you are gonna die to a mob, hit CFH so they can kill it and cure you.
This way you are sorta "punished" for screwing up or doing your job incorrectly.

I personally love soloing new jobs, I do not have the expansion but I am certain I will take each one to 15 before I ever think to step foot into a pt.

But before then? I am gonna take advantage of the rush and level all my subs (mnk, nin, drk, thf, rng, etc) and pay close attention to every new job, then utilize what is best.

PLing gimps people, not just WHM's. They don't bother with hate/mp control, SC's, links.. They get lazy and are the people who end up in the FB every day for sucking horribly.

Stop being a pussy and level your own job without someone giving you an umbrella of protection.


Honestly if you can't play any job in this game you're a retard. It's a game, and it doesn't require a Ph.D to play - it's all very simple. I have no doubt that an intelligent person could PL their way through 60 some levels and be totally fine. I however enjoy exp, and only PL once every blue moon. But come on, you can learn any job in this game, this whole 'job you know' business is silly.
 
Valoran said:
To Shaid: while monk through the dunes may not be complicated, I hardly ever see my character in exp parties because I'm hitting so many /equip macros. Pulling gear, chi-blast boosting gear, first voke gear, accuracy v str gear depending on mobs or even mob tp moves, bla bla bla. So yeah, maybe it doesn't matter much in a dunes party, but I think I have something like 40 of 60 inventory slots devoted to exp equipment when I put my flag up.

Well, I solo'd Sam to 23, and I still run that very very well in a PT, since I find all melee jobs almost mind-numbingly easy.

Then again if you look, I am a 64 Rdm so I am VERY use to gear swaps. I have MP, HP, MND, INT, and Melee sets. I swap gear for every enfeeb, every nuke, and every time I use Spirits Within when soloing. (No melee in exp)

I solo'd rdm to 15, had a dunes pt (my very first) 15-18, then solo'd to 21.. I think soloing gives you a good idea on how a job functions, even in a PT, cause I dropped my sword at 21 and used a wand from 21-51. I solo all jobs to at least 15 before PTing, or I PT with friends only.

I know every job is different, but once you know the basics you know the others well (even blu/cor/pup) but I think people should relax.. It's not a race to 75, you get nothing if you make it first. Enjoy the job, enjoy the "freshness" youve been begging for SO long... Sit back, take a breath, and don't gimp yourselves.
 
Heh, well I have a RDM on Quez now. So If you want a healer in the dunes, gimme about an hour to get to lvl 10, get my crag crystal, and ill be your healer if youd like. Though at my that level, your still better off with a WHM.
 
I was in a 4man PT in the Dunes yesterday for about an hour, it was 3 JP and 1NA(Me)

We had BLU/WHM(Me) BLU/WAR COR/WAR PUP/RDM, at first I was a little worried...

But, that was by far the best damn Dunes PT I've EVER had, We got Chain 7 350exp EVERYTIME, Non-stop I went from 13-16 in an hour... yep it was that good... only with 4 people, all new jobs... we did great and besides twas fun seeing the JP compliment me on doing a good job with BLU

Ronith (Blue Mage)(/clap)(Good job!)

every once in a while I would joke around and equip my ranged BLU spells <.<

put in the PT Chat Ronith(Blue Mage)(Ranged Attack)orz

they kept laughing when I did it... prolly cause of how stupid I am but still none the less a great PT, and that proves all the new jobs are capable of a lot... and I mean a lot

Note: We took down IT gobs and Sheep in about 30sec~
 
Ronith said:
I was in a 4man PT in the Dunes yesterday for about an hour, it was 3 JP and 1NA(Me)

We had BLU/WHM(Me) BLU/WAR COR/WAR PUP/RDM, at first I was a little worried...

But, that was by far the best damn Dunes PT I've EVER had, We got Chain 7 350exp EVERYTIME, Non-stop I went from 13-16 in an hour... yep it was that good... only with 4 people, all new jobs... we did great and besides twas fun seeing the JP compliment me on doing a good job with BLU

Ronith (Blue Mage)(/clap)(Good job!)

every once in a while I would joke around and equip my ranged BLU spells <.<

put in the PT Chat Ronith(Blue Mage)(Ranged Attack)orz

they kept laughing when I did it... prolly cause of how stupid I am but still none the less a great PT, and that proves all the new jobs are capable of a lot... and I mean a lot

Note: We took down IT gobs and Sheep in about 30sec~

Why couldn't you of been in my party last night? I wanted to get more than one lvl in 3 hours ;_;
 
*pets Zer* That's awesome Ron.. I seriously see a nerf coming for them.. but I sorta hope not. Good to see people livening up the game again. I was in the dunes a week ago...... 17 people... I almost cried.
 
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