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Drama

You all forget. how we won.

If we didn't win, there wouldn't have been legs period. And i considered passing them to Oraox, since he was the PLD that supported me and didnt give me a hard time about wanting them. I asked how mny points he had, but i wasnt sure if he could outbid the other PLDs. So i got them.

You all know how much time I put into the LS, when points aren't even involved. Week in Ifrit's Cauldron, OpHats, ZMs and other miscellenous side jobs. I think i've earned my keep. And i have points cuz i didnt spend them on anything else. I didn't and don't lot on free lot money items or Hakutaku's non-Ophat treasure pool. I'm sent on rescure missions, reconnisance, and I can lead a sky expedition. I can guide lost PT members without being next to them. And i share my medicines indifferently.

Do i deserve them less than anyone else? I would hope it wasn't the case. If a PLD wanted them so bad, he or she would have saved up points for the harder to optain items and then go for easier drops. Most AH armor can be subsituted without sacfircing stats or defense. Dusk trouser/marine H boots are a good combo for our many Hume PLDs. I don't think it would be fair to pass on something i want and have 90 points to bid for, to another person who had spent his or her points on other things and doesnt have the neccessary amount to outbid me.

In all fairness, PLD would be great with these. I saw the run away action in Kirin's Hall. And don't forget, how we won this battle.
 
Elemmire said:
Legalus said:
That's Priceless.
a DRK getting the first w.legs from your first Kirin.
GG.
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rules are rules.. better than a priority based rule which just let's the leader show favoritism to his/her friends.
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Amen...though, I wont name names :P
 
Although its perfectly within the rules to lot on the legs for the DRK. The DRK should step back and say what would help the LS most? What would be the best benefit to the LS? IF the dark does not ask his/her self these questions then he/she is selfish. I mean look at it this way in our LS (which has the same point system) the leader, Dresdan, has far more points than anyone else in the entire shell and he already said he wont get it. Wanna know why? Would it really help a war more than it would a ranger or monk?

rules are rules and the DRK can do it....however
LS>self.
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I don't think many people join endgame linkshells because they want twenty other high levels to get cool equipment. They join those linkshells to get cool equipment for themselves. Of course there are exceptions, and they're uncommon enough that they're singled out by name. I don't think doing your share of the work and claiming your reward is selfish. I think not doing that same share of the work, and still thinking you're more entitled to the reward is selfish. Letting someone else have a drop that you'd like, and are entitled to is a very generous act, but it shouldn't be expected, and not doing so shouldn't bring a label of selfish. Everyone has to look out for themselves, because noone else is going to.

If you did a round of BCNM's - your orb, your drop - and the whm in the party was out for a scroll of Erase (to use), and while you got Erase on your orb, the whm got nothing of consequence, I don't see many people being too quick to hand over their hard earned prize because the Whm could better use it. I don't see the God situation being too different. Lots of people could put those endgame equipment pieces to good use, and your job shouldn't demand you getting special treatment.
 
Re: Drama

Kiiro said:
You all forget. how we won.

If we didn't win, there wouldn't have been legs period. And i considered passing them to Oraox, since he was the PLD that supported me and didnt give me a hard time about wanting them. I asked how mny points he had, but i wasnt sure if he could outbid the other PLDs. So i got them.

You all know how much time I put into the LS, when points aren't even involved. Week in Ifrit's Cauldron, OpHats, ZMs and other miscellenous side jobs. I think i've earned my keep. And i have points cuz i didnt spend them on anything else. I didn't and don't lot on free lot money items or Hakutaku's non-Ophat treasure pool. I'm sent on rescure missions, reconnisance, and I can lead a sky expedition. I can guide lost PT members without being next to them. And i share my medicines indifferently.

Do i deserve them less than anyone else? I would hope it wasn't the case. If a PLD wanted them so bad, he or she would have saved up points for the harder to optain items and then go for easier drops. Most AH armor can be subsituted without sacfircing stats or defense. Dusk trouser/marine H boots are a good combo for our many Hume PLDs. I don't think it would be fair to pass on something i want and have 90 points to bid for, to another person who had spent his or her points on other things and doesnt have the neccessary amount to outbid me.

In all fairness, PLD would be great with these. I saw the run away action in Kirin's Hall. And don't forget, how we won this battle.
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so please tell us oh great one...oh yea thats right, your strategy, err i mean someone elses strategie that you read or was told. you act like you got us the win single handedly. your not the only person taht does things for others. does doing things for others give you the right to stick it in someones face saying "well i help with all these things, i deserve more recognition" NO.you honestly need to stop thinking of just yourself and think of the ls before you make bold statements as you are cuz your sounding a bit stuck up when you say, "i did this for the ls and i did that yadda yadda". i cant count the amount of times i get asked for papyrus papers, we need a tank for this af, tank this summon, etc. bomb queen run...been there done that without compensation, SSG pendant...been there done that, died mulitple times with no compensation the list goes on. but do i throw that in peoples faces trying to make myself look better.
due to the point system, you got the legs fair, however, those wont help you help the ls. in the end, those help you, and you only. plus you have this tendency to do the "oh wanna race" or throw the fact that you have the boots before others that will actually benefit the ls by having.
in case your wondering, i have put myself at the bottom of the list for pritority on these since i am rarely the main tank.
 
ultraseven said:
Konartist said:
What would be the best benefit to the LS?
LS>self.
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on point.
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People dont understand this, I had to bid against a whm for my damn zenith mitts when there was still 3 blackmages who dont have them behind me.



LS > SELF



People dont understand it..
 
Well that's your ls policy.
If you want a specific item, you work hard for it.
If you don't like the ls policy, you could always quit.
When you enter the ls, you somehow agree with their terms and you should be aware with the circumstances.
So stop crying like little babies
 
this LS has a point system

if you want w.legs, DO YOUR BEST EFFORT AND GET AS MANY POINTS AS POSSIBLE, then you would have them!

you want somebody who works harder than you, to take a backseat just because they 'benefit your job more'? sorry, but doesnt' that make the whole point system null and void?

and by the way, Kirin is not exactly a difficult NM to defeat, with or without movement speed +12%

i mean seriously, if you put in as much or more work as Kiiro did, you'd have your fucking w.legs, so stop bitching about it, your LS has a point system, dont like it? join another LS

if i had more points than a PLD, i wouldn't think twice about using them on w.legs because they're a nice luxury item to have, and i know they aren't a necessity to defeat Kirin or any kited mob

kiiro, you didn't do anything wrong, this is just one person who's jealous of the gear you got fair and square, because he didnt put in as much time and work as you did, congrats on the new equipment
 
Odon said:
If she lots, you should Its appernt there is no 'team' spirit in the ls..
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Odon

I will lot anything I want.. I WORKED FOR IT!

I dont go to sky for my health.

If the PLDS want it they should bid.......Instead of making the other pld waste all thier points but jacking up the bid....


no 'team' spirit huh? WTF is that............

I want you to ask how many of our "PLDS, and BRD" how they like those swords........ I have LOTS of team spirit.. If people need help, I'm one of the very few that will come running no matter how many times I die..

So If the Plds want to be better and get better items, they should work together, not agaisnt each other... Because they are jealous of one another..

I'm also very sick of gettong tells from the plds cussing me out every time I want to lot gloves..... If they want them, Bid agaisnt me....
 
Most of you guys make it sound like you'll never fight Kirin again. Once you kill it, it becomes a weekly thing, no? More stuff will drop and with each new item that drops, it'll only become easier. I remember when we first started gods in the ls, man it was hard as crap.

We failed twice on Seiryu and lots of ppl lost spirit. Genbu took 30 mins to kill, because we had to kite him around. Now, we straight up tank Genbu and kill him 5-10 mins, give or take. As for Seiryu, he's not "Impossible to guage" anymore, we put him down quiet easily now.

As for the points, I do agree with Kiiro, she did work for em. She should have first pick at what she wants. Im very sure you guys will be knocking Kirin down again, and bout every week. I'm also sure he'll become easier and killing him will be faster. Soon everyone will have Crimsom legs, and so forth. Rock on Darth on his Osode(sp) XD
 
See, there is problems inherent in all systems. In a point system, someone who has more points can lot on an item someone else may make more use of or not even use at all. With a priority system, a person might get their item and never help again or worse yet leave the linkshell all together. I have also seen systems in which older members have priority so that new members will not join and then leave, but this does not promote new membership. Which system is better? You could try mixing the two systems for a better way but in the end you are only combining the flaws faced by both systems. I am sure Maseki knows full well the problems faced by the system, but you have to look at it like this, which is the better alternative. He chose the system and its his linkshell, his choice; however, that does not mean you need to live with that choice. You always have the alternative to get another linkshell.

Now you want to argue Kiiro is greedy for taking the crimson legs, but she got the points and won the lot, so how is she being greedy? She knew what she wanted, she did a hell of a lot of work to get 90 points and she used them. If someone else wanted them more they would have worked harder to get them. It seems to me people knew she wanted to get the armor so they had every chance to work harder for more points but they did not. You knew how the system worked, you knew she wanted them and you had a chance to work for them. It seems to me if you didn't want them as much as she did and therefore is more deserving.

I really would like to see more ideas on a good systems rather than people complain about the current ones. I have never seen a system that makes everyone happy or atleast the most people happy. If someone can devise a system in which a majority of people can be satisfied maybe they could post it here.

Oh and I never liked posting who gets the lot on the next drop idea. There is something nice about lotting on the spot when an item drops and still having that fleeting hope you have a chance on an item while killing the mob. If you know you are not getting an item beforehand you won't work as hard to fight the gods. It may seem selfish to act like that but people are like that. If you know there is no reward waiting for you then will not work as hard as if there is a small chance you will be rewarded and this is common human nature.
 
Oh and isn't complaining about a system so that it will change in your favor just plain greedy and selfish?
 
Odon said:
ultraseven said:
Konartist said:
What would be the best benefit to the LS?
LS>self.
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on point.
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People dont understand this, I had to bid against a whm for my damn zenith mitts when there was still 3 blackmages who dont have them behind me.



LS > SELF



People dont understand it..
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this from the taru that thinks he should get the first dalmatica (or however you spell it) :D

anyways.. yes.. realize this everyone who seems to have a problem... WE WILL BE FIGHTING KIRIN MORE x.x if can be beaten once.. and on Earthsday at that, it can be beaten again. More W.Abj will drop. More Osode will drop. Shining Cloths will drop. Kirin's Pole will drop.. and many many many many crystals will drop x.x Everyone needs to start learning ab it more patience when it comes to these things. You aren't gonna get everything you want in a week.. or a month even.. and with some things.. maybe not for a good year. Like M.Abj: Body... hehe.. Oh... U7... Vill does roxorz ^^
 
one thing i notice is that people see the amount of points person x has and the amount of points person Y has and they automatically think that person x with the most points is there the most.....NO. person x has saved their points. on the other hand. person Y has accumulated the same amount of points but has used them on other gear that they are expected to get at one point of another.
please dont think that one person is in sky or doing more than another, because that is not even close to the situation. the same plds are there every time we go for the whole duration.
but she got the points and won the lot, so how is she being greedy?
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this has nothing to do with greed, it has to do with seeing what will help the ls more by making it easier on the pld to kite when he/she needs to

key point-the amount of points a person has doesnt mean they worked harder or have been doing gods longer. kiiro has alot of points, however, if i didnt use my points, id have teh same amount. ive spent 20 on crimson feet, 16 on the koenig helm, still need koenig gloves and i still have alot of points left. before i lotted the feet, i could have very well been next in line after kiiro, to get the crimson legs, however, we have people like ele, perfectangel, cythe, shiutou, moadib, etc that want/need the legs also. i cant beat PA at points and am sure i cant beat ele either. cythe needs the legs more than me, therefore, it was in my best interest and best interest in the LS for me to say fuk it and lot what i could at the time.
 
...if i didnt use my points, id have teh same amount. ive spent 20 on crimson feet, 16 on the koenig helm...
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Sounds like you're the last person who should be complaining. You're getting rewards left and right. Let the poor dark knight lot once in a while. If she accumulated that many points by not lotting on every little thing, then she's hardly greedy for cashing in when something drops that she is interested in. If those "same paladins" didn't use their points on all the other drops, they could've gotten the drop in question. Were you expecting that she allow the paladins in your ls to completely fill out on all the uber gear they need before she gets what she wants? From the way you're talking, you could've won the drop in question- anyone could have - but you'd been buying stuff all along whereas she hadn't. So now you all were low on points, and are jealous when the person who saved for the one big drop cashes in. The only people who aren't team players are the whiners. LS>Person? That only goes so far. The only people who are using that nifty one liner are the people who have the jobs that get all the good drops. I'd be a "team player" too, if "team player" meant I get everything.
 
Pfff that god damn dalmatica better go to me, noone else has the money to uncurse it. and to my understanding, want it D:
 
Pompidou said:
LS>Person? That only goes so far. The only people who are using that nifty one liner are the people who have the jobs that get all the good drops. I'd be a "team player" too, if "team player" meant I get everything.
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You have no idea how stupid you sound.




I have ONE item in sky.

As a blm, a needed job.


Drks have two sets + misc items from gods and pop nms..



Last I checked darks werent required..

no offense to you kiiro, you do an awesome job in sky..
 
Pompidou said:
...if i didnt use my points, id have teh same amount. ive spent 20 on crimson feet, 16 on the koenig helm...
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Sounds like you're the last person who should be complaining. You're getting rewards left and right. Let the poor dark knight lot once in a while. If she accumulated that many points by not lotting on every little thing, then she's hardly greedy for cashing in when something drops that she is interested in. If those "same paladins" didn't use their points on all the other drops, they could've gotten the drop in question. Were you expecting that she allow the paladins in your ls to completely fill out on all the uber gear they need before she gets what she wants? From the way you're talking, you could've won the drop in question- anyone could have - but you'd been buying stuff all along whereas she hadn't. So now you all were low on points, and are jealous when the person who saved for the one big drop cashes in. The only people who aren't team players are the whiners. LS>Person? That only goes so far. The only people who are using that nifty one liner are the people who have the jobs that get all the good drops. I'd be a "team player" too, if "team player" meant I get everything.
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This is totally false. There's been several people, from a bunch of different jobs saying this. All I want out of sky is a shining cloth for my noble's tunic, and I still agree with the sentiment of LS > 1 person. Blm's only want A. Hands, and Odon has been saying the same thing all along.

While it's true that some of the pld's have been getting the koenig gear, them having it is also a benefit to the LS, since they can tank better. The DRK didn't do anything wrong though, she used her points on something she wanted.
 
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