On Nazism, the KKK, and PETA. (Mostly just Nazism)

[Fogel]

And mostly for Dalecooper, because I refuse to jack Keit's Thread.

To start, allow me to recap;

However, don't ever call someone a Nazi unless the shoe really fits. The Nazi party attempted to extinguish an entire FUCKING race. Ever know anyone Jewish? You wouldn't if Hitler had his way. The Nazis were against the freedom allowed us to create a board where you can bitch and in your crude ignorance call someone a Nazi. All Sculli did was stop a couple of threads. Call him a Nazi, and you make light of the millions of people killed in World War II and the people who died, no matter WHAT COUNTRY YOU LIVE IN, to make sure that you wouldn't live under the facist rule of the Nazi Party. It is your right to call Sculli a Nazi, but think before you do, just think for a second. It isn't funny. It isn't cute. By doing it you are inappropriately comparing someone to the closest thing to evil this world has ever really seen.
Maybe that seems a bit harsh. I used to call people Nazi myself, and someone pointed these facts out to me, and I felt really bad about it. I try to tell people this when I hear it. I was crude and ignorant to, and I wish that I could take all those things back I said. I never should have called some people nazis, and neither should anyone here.

and

Finally, somone who makes a very good point, and actually appreciates history, and is actually..dare I say it? Yes, mature. Kiets, no flames to you pal but, get a life, and don't post flames to the one person who LET YOU POST FLAMES! Thats like saying, "Damn you boss, you hired me, damn you, damn you". If you would think for a second, if Sculli was not here, we wouldnt even be doing this. There is my 2 cents. I'm done. :?

and finally

There are ways to jest about WWII. Take the movie (and subsequent musical, which will subsequently be turned into a movie) The Producers. Towards the end, there is a huge number called "Springtime for Hitler"
Some of the lyrics go:

It's springtime for Hitler and Germany
Winter for Poland and France
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race

It is very black comedy and was inteded to be. It was also written by a Jew, Mel Brooks. You mentioned the "Soup Nazi" episode. That was written in part by Larry David (a Jew) and performed in by Jerry Seinfeld (a Jew). These are legitimate because it is making light of a situatiuon, even a terrible one like the Holocaust. Its the theory: "if you aren't laughing, you're crying". Calling someone a nazi for doing something that you deem borderline facist is a terrible thing to do.

Long Live The Third Reich.

That, even in jest, is dispiciable. You should be ashamed. You should think more about what you say

I'm not saying Nazism was a great movement. I'm saying you're being melodramatic and taking it way too seriously. The ironic part is that you feel that it is perfectly alright when the Jewish community pokes fun at it. It's been 60 years. Excepting the WWII vets and their immediate families, the contemporary Jews living in America did not experience the Holocaust firsthand. So what entitles them to comment about it snidely and not I? Blood? Heritage? Just because? It's like paying reparations for slavery, 150 years after the fact. I'm not saying that was right either -- but paying reparations definitely isn't the right way to fix it. And you're just as overboard.

(You think I didn't catch my own Soup Nazi reference? Yes, I know they were Jewish.)

I also know that you know I'm speaking facetiously. But all the same -- that's exactly what you're disapproving of. Does that mean we can't make fun of FDR's legs? Is it Too Soon? (Cue Family Guy reference.) Or is it that those who were never born (or may never become) Jewish cannot speak about Nazi Germany lightly without slighting the whole tragedy?

No, I'll admit that I'm not Jewish either. But I don't believe that off-hand remarks about Nazis offends many people (even Jews! as if they were that different, or fragile). It's only when it pokes directly at the human suffering itself that it might be inappropriate, and even then, I might accept it anyway. But just calling someone a Nazi does not strip the significance of 6 million lives. You're just a self-hating Nazi. (Cue Family Guy reference #2.)

Here's to convoluted language and sophomoric eloquence.

And to you too, Dale.


(...did you get it? You're a Nazi because you're a Nazi about Nazism.)


Oh. And if you even begin to lecture me on History, I will pwn you. I don't think you'll teach me anything new.

 

[Dalecooper]

You just don't get it. You don't get it at all. There is no "taking it too seriously here". No black man alive today in America was a slave, soe that mean we should laugh at slavery? Forget it happened? Not take it too seriously?
Or the civil right's movement?
No Jewish people aren't the only ones allowed to make light of situations. You will "pwn" me. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I know it isnt a typo, and that's really sad. I guess I better step off or youi'll shpw me, won't you? That is neither here nor there I suppose.
"The Nazi's weren't a great movement"... come on. What I think is that my point is so overwhelmingly true that yopu feel gulity and dont want to admit you have said some bad things in the past. I know the feeling. I resisted the idea myself. You're not being honest with yourself.
The problem is this: If I am right, and I probably am, you'd never admit it. By staying silent, you'd be admitting defeat, and since you started a whole topic JUST for this, you are unlikely to stay silent.
This is what is what: I am right. Intelligent people will see this and know I am right. I will no longer post on this. Say anything you want, I don't care. Have as many last word's as you can handle, it doesn't matter. Every word you you say defending your "I know the Nazi's weren't great but you're taking the murder of over 6,000,000 people to seriously" stance just makes you look worse. It will, and I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I will stop giving anyone the impression that I do, and stop here.
So go ahead, defend the lack if importance of the holocaust and slavery. I'm sure your future points will be as poor as your current ones. Call me a "nazi" again, like you did. That makes you sound SO COOL and SMART! Keep going, cause I'm done.
Or just... walk away.

 

[Fogel]

By staying silent, you'd be admitting defeat, and since you started a whole topic JUST for this, you are unlikely to stay silent.

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This is what is what: I am right. Intelligent people will see this and know I am right. I will no longer post on this. Say anything you want, I don't care. Have as many last word's as you can handle, it doesn't matter. . . . It will, and I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else. I will stop giving anyone the impression that I do, and stop here. . . . Keep going, cause I'm done.

That's almost brilliant. Not only have you decided not to respond, I "lose" if I don't. Yet... you're immune! So, let's kill discussion by just declaring that I'm right, eh? (Or you, since that's more or less what you've decided.)

No, I still don't agree with you. And I don't think you're seeing my point. And for God's sake, I don't change my mind or pretend to hide my stance behind semantics. Stop pretending to think, and actually think what you yourself said through.

It is exactly people like yourself that proliferate the idea of political correctness, and take it way too far. There definitely are sensitive issues, but that doesn't make the whole subject untouchable. That's what you're suggesting. And it ultimately undermines free thought.

Go ahead, don't say anything. Only, I won't assume that you've given up. (Though... maybe you're so right, you don't need to say anything. Everyone will just know.)

 

[aixlachaise]

By doing it you are inappropriately comparing someone to the closest thing to evil this world has ever really seen.

Now THAT'S ignorant. The closest thing to evil this world has ever seen? Grow up. Read a few history books. Was what Hitler and the Nazi party did good? Well, of course not. Was it worse than everything else that has been done in this world? Doesn't even hit the top ten.

Dalecooper, you need to learn to distinguish between something that's great and something you've merely heard of.

 

[OniTatsujin]

Hitler is only famous because we went to war with him
When Hitler was roaming around, Strolland up in Russia was doing far worse...but does anyone remember him? Of course not, we left him alone because we knew we wouldnt be able to defeat him, thus he is not remembered, and we think Hitler was the most evilest guy on earth....
I am not saying he wasn't evil, i think he was downright evil in his movement on to kill the jewish..but hell, Strolland was killing ANYONE, he would burn down entire villages, for no reason, not just certain people, everyone....

 

[asiamise]

funny how 60 yrs later the nazi shadow is still cast on the world
people freely use terms such as "nazi" or "jew" in derogatory context without giving it a second thought.

during the war, 1 set of my grandparents were living in greece. one day,
my grandafather leaves for work, just like he does everyday. he is picked
up by mussolini's occupational force and taken to a work camp in libya for 2 years ! he returns 2 years later to a family living in the street behind what used to be thier house.

my other grandparents who lived here, were both active in the war effort.
my grandmother was in the USO and my grandfather a surgeon in the army.my grandmother got a visit on base one day by brass saying my grandfather had been killed on duty, they made a mistake, and he returned home 1 month later.

and it took me a long time growing up to figure out why my grandmother cried everytime hogans heroes was on.

bottom line, it is because of the hardships and sacrifices made by our earlier generations that we are now able to joke about and freely discuss
these topics as we do now.

enough of this depressing shit........im goin back on to farm

/em bows her head for a moment to pay respect to those fearless people
who made her freedom and happiness in this country possible

 

[Dalecooper]

I am going to post another reply, but only to this comment. Not in reply to "well then lets declare I've won". On this, I stand by my comments and I knopw intelligence will prevail

Strolland up in Russia was doing far worse...but does anyone remember him? Of course not,

Russian dictators were terrible, terrible people. That is an excellent point. Stalin in particular. More Soviets died in WWII than Americans and Jews combined! The statistic, something like 24 million total Soviet dead is startling. The hard fighting people of the Soviet Union did not deserve their insane government. The difference here I believe is that no one is accusing anyone, falslsy, of being a ruthless and dememented Soviet bureaucrat. If someone were to do that, I would say it is improper to do so.
Nevertheless, the under-appreciated oppresion of the Soviets is worthy of attention, thank you for trying to correct this problem.

 

[Keits]

Fogel: I like you. Welcome to the boards.

For the record, I am jewish by birth, and you can say whatever you want about anything you want. You have my endorsement.

Dalecooper, you need to learn to distinguish between something that's great and something you've merely heard of.

The problem here is that Dale has heard of himself. And boy oh boy, does he think he is great.

Dale: Double space between your paragraghs you fucking amature. Reading your greater-than-thou bullshit is getting really hard without proper spacing (comonly used to separate ideas). It like seeing one big block of letters.

 

[asiamise]

you guys strike a great point, ever see " enemy at the gates" ?

if not, i highly suggest you do.

 

[asiamise]

wow fogel, an endorsement from keits, that does not come easy

....you know i love ya keits ^^

 

[Keits]

On this, I stand by my comments and I knopw intelligence will prevail

Also note the lack of a period.

I am wet from the ammount of intellegence that Dalecooper oozes.

That is all.

 

[aixlachaise]

On this, I stand by my comments and I knopw intelligence will prevail

Also note the lack of a period.

I am wet from the ammount of intellegence that Dalecooper oozes.

That is all.

This is beyond childish, Keits. Why are you going to such great lengths to one-up someone online?

 

[Keits]

On this, I stand by my comments and I knopw intelligence will prevail

Also note the lack of a period.

I am wet from the ammount of intellegence that Dalecooper oozes.

That is all.

This is beyond childish, Keits. Why are you going to such great lengths to one-up someone online?

Um, because I think he is a waste of a human being. And I dont like him. And Dale would do it too, if the opportunity presented itself.

 

[Dalecooper]

Don't presume to lower me to your level Keits.
And

Quote:
On this, I stand by my comments and I knopw intelligence will prevail

The "Knopw" was a cooment on the geek vernacular "pwn". I'm sorry the comment was abit over your head. In future posts of any significance (of which this is not) I'll try and remind myself to make it easier for you to understand.

And is this


Enough


spacing

or am I still "amature"?
because I'd hate to be an amateur.

 

[Dalecooper]

And cooment was a typo
I meant "comment"

 

[Dalecooper]

Keits, if you REALLY want to quibble over typing errors and such, go right ahead. You have no content behind your meaning, so you have to find SOMETHING to be superior about. To be honest, your attempts are "amature".
Write about missing periods... properly spaced documents...
Get your own spelling and grammar in order and THEN your "amature" attempts might seem less amateur.

 

[Dalecooper]

example

Fogel: I like you. Welcome to the boards.

For the record, I am jewish by birth, and you can say whatever you want about anything you want. You have my endorsement.

Quote:
Dalecooper, you need to learn to distinguish between something that's great and something you've merely heard of.


The problem here is that Dale has heard of himself. And boy oh boy, does he think he is great.

Dale: Double space between your paragraghs you fucking amature. Reading your greater-than-thou bullshit is getting really hard without proper spacing (comonly used to separate ideas). It like seeing one big block of letters.

"And boy oh boy, does he think he is great."-- should end with a question mark (?) because it is asking a question.

amature.

is grossly misspelled. Amateur

It like seeing one big block of letters.

It IS like seeing one big block of letters. IS. I, to date, ahevn't made any comments about grammar, or lack thereof, because there is no EDIT feature on this board, so any errors are permanent.
So come on, be fair, or shut up. I HAVE made grammatical errors, and so have you. 3 in this ONE post. Need I search deeper? No, I think not. [/quote]

 

[dragoonnerzul]

Allowing ourselves to remember the Nazi regime and their devilous reign in Germany and bicker among ourselves about it is very disheartening. Anger solves nothing. It just clouds your vision. And violence sure as hell never did anyone or anything a bit of good. The point I'm trying to make is yes, what Hitler did was a horrible thing that should never have even existed as a thought in his mind. It was too damn cruel. But we shouldn't bicker amongst ourselves about it, lest it create another senseless war. I feel extremely uncomfortable talking about it with people I don't know because I don't know if they will be offended about it or not. If i was German, I would expect the world to view me as an image of Hitler just because of where I'm from but it's this human Allowing ourselves to remember the Nazi regime and their devilous reign in Germany and bicker among ourselves about it is very disheartening. Anger solves nothing. It just clouds your vision. And violence sure as hell never did anyone or anything a bit of good. The point I'm trying to make is yes, what Hitler did was a horrible thing that should never have even existed as a thought in his mind. It was too damn cruel. But we shouldn't bicker amongst ourselves about it, lest it create another senseless war. I feel extremely uncomfortable talking about it with people I don't know because I don't know if they will be offended about it or not. If i was German, I would expect the world to view me as an image of Hitler just because of where I'm from but it's this human idiosyncrsy that we should not let control us. That could actually be the evilest thing the world has ever seen.

Please don't flame me. I'm just trying to shed another light on the situation. I do not wish to be told that what I think may be wrong.

 

[dragoonnerzul]

Allowing ourselves to remember the Nazi regime and their devilous reign in Germany and bicker among ourselves about it is very disheartening. Anger solves nothing. It just clouds your vision. And violence sure as hell never did anyone or anything a bit of good. The point I'm trying to make is yes, what Hitler did was a horrible thing that should never have even existed as a thought in his mind. It was too damn cruel. But we shouldn't bicker amongst ourselves about it, lest it create another senseless war. I feel extremely uncomfortable talking about it with people I don't know because I don't know if they will be offended about it or not. If i was German, I would expect the world to view me as an image of Hitler just because of where I'm from but it's this human idiosyncrasy that we should not let control us. That could actually be the evilest thing the world has ever seen.

Please don't flame me. I'm just trying to shed another light on the situation. I do not wish to be told that what I think may be wrong.

(Sorry. Don't know exactly what happened up there.)

 

[Keits]

Dale = <Easy Prey> 8)

I think he is my favorite least-favorite person, ever.