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[Kiere]

So I was right about the 12 children?

I only have 2 that I know of :twisted:

 

[Kiere]

That log was of about 6-7 fights unless i am mistaken. 5/7 fights is not what i would call keeping the NIN hasted.

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You are mistaken, so please STFU. The log I saw posted was a span of about 60secs. No one ever said it was 5-7 fights, bjbreeze himself said that it was 2-3.

Mish, you dismissed kiere out of hand because you THOUGHT that she had only low level characters, that's the point. Kiere is a SHE by the way. A 50 year old woman with 12 children. :wink: But that's not the point. Where do you come off? You'll apologize to Mielle when she apologizes to you? FOR WHAT? What did she do to you? I like bj and I think that he had every right to be upset. The rest of the people like you that are ready to lynch her however, were WAYYYY off base. It was discussed in private. She agrees that warping out was poor form. However she has nothing to explain to YOU, so get the fuck off of your high horse.

Where do I begin..I'll leave a nice list of questions for you, grats if you can answer ONE without pulling a load of stupid flames and excuses out your mouth.

1. How was I supposed to know Kiere was a girl or boy? Moreso, what does this hafto do with ANYTHING to begin with? Not that it matters...
2. How am I supposed to know Kiere has some high level job when her sig states two jobs below 20 and nothing else? If I'm at such a massive fault for this, go ahead and state the level of my BLM and DRG, or am I the only one who should magically know sh-!t about everyone else?
3. Where did I say I'd apologize to her if she apologized to me? Oh wait, the spot where I said I'd apologize for my comments when she apologizes, period? That was sortof referring to her party, if it wasn't that obvious.
4. How the f-!k am I supposed to know she discussed anything in private?


There is no "high horse", just a bunchof turds like you that expect some people to magically know everything.

Mish...you've missed the point once again. The point is that you have made at least a couple of erroneous assumptions regarding me. Of course you would not be expected to know that I have reached higher levels before...but you chose to make a statement based on an assumption. You wanna know why I didn't comment on the Mielle post? I wasn't there! Each side is going to present THEIR side of the situation. I may weigh what others tell me...but I'm not going to condemn someone solely on what one person tells me...because I know there's always more to the story. I honestly did not intend for my post to be/turn into a flame at/on you. The original poster posted tongue-in-cheek. I made a similarly tongue in cheek response to your post. Why you took it so personally..I have no clue...but in my opinion, you have since only helped to make the case for what I originally posted.

 

[alanon]

Wow, I dont know how you can get so close to the point and still miss it completely. Here, let me hold your hand through it. Please try to pay attention, I'll type slowly if it will help.

1. How was I supposed to know Kiere was a girl or boy? Moreso, what does this hafto do with ANYTHING to begin with? Not that it matters...

You aren't and that is the point. You know NOTHING yet you go and make judgments as if you do.

2. How am I supposed to know Kiere has some high level job when her sig states two jobs below 20 and nothing else? If I'm at such a massive fault for this, go ahead and state the level of my BLM and DRG, or am I the only one who should magically know sh-!t about everyone else?

You aren't and that is the point. You know NOTHING yet you go and make judgments as if you do.

3. Where did I say I'd apologize to her if she apologized to me? Oh wait, the spot where I said I'd apologize for my comments when she apologizes, period? That was sortof referring to her party, if it wasn't that obvious.

You answered your own question.

4. How the f-!k am I supposed to know she discussed anything in private?

Same answer as number 1 and 2. Except I will add that you have no reason to know. Why? BECAUSE IT IS NONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED BUSINESS!

I still find it hysterical and annoying at the same time that you make all these broad assumptions and then when I call you on it, you come back with "I didn't know. How was I supposed to know? etc, etc"

WELL NO FUCKING SHIT! WE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING, THAT'S THE POINT. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW JACK SHIT.

 

[etchdog2000]

please feel free to post a link to this apology, so that if I'm wrong, then I can say sorry.

4. How the f-!k am I supposed to know she discussed anything in private?

Answer= Thats why you should keep your nose out of others business. You have NO idea what has been discussed out of this forum therefore you have no idea about the situation. This is why I dont make aggressive flameboard comments about something I read on the flameboard and did not experience firsthand. Be a big girl and state your opinion and not resort to namecalling when you obviously know nothing about the situation besides what you read on the board.

I dont get you. You blow people off or cut people down off what you THINK you know.

You thought Kiere was a low lvl so totally disregarded what she said.(when in her sig yes it does say "un-friggin-retired" and you can look at her post count and obviously see shes been around the board for awhile)

You thought Mielle was wrong for missing haste and warping and resorted to name calling and is all of a sudden an expert on the situation.

There is no "high horse", just a bunchof turds like you that expect some people to magically know everything.

This comment made me laugh. Its funny because you seem to KNOW about a situation you werent a part of and only read on a flameboard and precede to make aggressive comments but all of a sudden you dont know anything?

Before you say anything I want to point out a few things. Notice EVERY single person that has different views then you or has a disagreement with you in the past 2-3 different posts I have read you have resorted to name calling or degrading comments. I totally disagree with this aand this is what Kiere was trying to point out in her OP. That is why she said you were being hypocritcal.

 

[Mishaela]

I think I've said before, if not, then meh...I'm sorry if it seems like I overreacted or came off as cruel, but one can only take so much of hearing a certain job not doing their job and the defense being how horribly high-maitenance and/or difficult it is, when it really just isn't.

And Alanon, you really needto stop flipping out, seriously. I made a statement based on what I know went on and you act like someone's burned a painting of jesus. You can't possibly say you've never made a statement based on what you know that could be, OHGODFORBID, wrong?

It's really sad that you're going all apesh-!t over my original "flame" to Mielle, which was more or less "if it's too tough, go do something else".

 

[etchdog2000]

Bah I didnt need to say anything I think Al and Kiere covered the point i was trying to make. Damn me and my slow typing.

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[alanon]

It's really sad that you're going all apesh-!t over my original "flame" to Mielle, which was more or less "if it's too tough, go do something else".

Don't even try talking down to me, your horse isn't that tall.

 

[CmdrFly]

It's really sad that you're going all apesh-!t over my original "flame" to Mielle, which was more or less "if it's too tough, go do something else".

"More or less" being key words here. If you had worded it exactly like this, most of us would not be posting about you in this thread. Instead, you decided to word it as:

In the end Mielle was just leeching what can possibly be excellent party, and further ruining the reputation of White Mages. So please, do the GOOD mages a favor and just quit, now.

'More or less' you told her that she fucking sucks, is useless in a party, and should never play WHM again.

The first quote of yours, that's actually almost constructive criticism - we need more of that around here. The second quote of yours is the sort of attitude that cause the OP to make this thread.

 

[Mishaela]

Alanon...that...really makes no sense... --;

And Cmdr, I was in a bad mood when I posted that (which, apparently, some people can get away with "I was in a bad mood at the time" yet I can't. Yay.) - I have a huge problem with White Mages who hardly contribute to parties and say stuff about how it's so hard and crap. I've seen it virtually nonstop lately, and I just don't feel like putting up with it. I've already apologized to if I sounded too mean and crap, there's not much else I can say.

 

[CmdrFly]

I've already apologized to if I sounded too mean and crap, there's not much else I can say.

Then I digress, I missed the apology.

 

[Squee]

I just want to say that my name is Valoran and I've made mistakes in the game.

One time, I forgot to first-voke because someone came into my room and was talking to me.

One time, I hit the wrong macros and chi blasted a sapling-class mob in CN.

As a noob, I subbed 12 whm for my monk main until level 30 so I could be mnk/sam (I'm now mnk/war, having learned quite a bit).

I used to drop beastman's seals.

I was once rude to a guy who recommended some tactic to me in a party because I hadn't heard of it before. He was probably totally in the right.

The point is, after reading the flameboards recently, I now know that these errors are likely all captured on screenshots, and will be used as evidence both for my exclusion from sky linkshells, and a determination of my value as a player AND human being.

I'm really sorry to the entire cast of thousands who play FFXI on Quetz; I really like our server, but I can see now that my 50 days of playtime have been wasted, and I'll go start a char on another server.

If anyone can ever see fit to forgive my mistakes, let me know, but I wilt under the self-righteous fury of these totally right and morally impeccable accusers who loom over the flameboard, and I fear the day when some new mistake, accidental or not, will bring me before the gaze of these omniscient twelve-year olds who have a hidden and secret direct line to absolute morality. I had no idea that the community had come together so strongly to elect such elite of our own members as judges over our every action, but I now know that mine will be too stringently evaluated for my pleasant-gaming tastes.

Don't get me wrong, I love that this is a game I can work hard in. I just know that I don't have time to both fully comprehend the tangled moral issues of every other player on the server AND get my woodworking skill to 100 and my monk to 75.

Hopefully, there are a few people out there who will let a passive, non-judgemental, damn fine (if I do say so myself) monk party with them a few times and maybe take a crack at chi blasting Kirin. All I can say is that I will be hard at work at whatever I do.

Yours, Vana'diel,

Valoran

So.. Is this a self flame or not?

But yah... We all mess up in game. Some of just tend to do it over and over and over again. Probably not you though :0)

 

[alanon]

Alanon...that...really makes no sense... --;

And Cmdr, I was in a bad mood when I posted that (which, apparently, some people can get away with "I was in a bad mood at the time" yet I can't. Yay.) - I have a huge problem with White Mages who hardly contribute to parties and say stuff about how it's so hard and crap. I've seen it virtually nonstop lately, and I just don't feel like putting up with it. I've already apologized to if I sounded too mean and crap, there's not much else I can say.

It's ok, I don't blame you, everyone has bad days. I just find it really sad that you had to go all apeshit over it.

 

[Rinoah]

Whats wrong with burning pictures of jesus?

 

[Mishaela]

Squee, I think the OP topic was sarcasm? I dunno.. *shrug*

And I'm not even gonna comment on how that "it's ok" post screamed sarcasm..

 

[Firestreak]

All in all, I think it's a good thing when I'm assembling a party that I know that certain seeking WHM might miss hasting our tank, and upon being corrected ditch us in the middle of a dangerous camp without warning. The rest of this is just babbling. The criticism of Mielle by myself personally was prompted by her "I'm such a nice person, how dare you insult me for doing anything wrong" attitude." That's just me personally, it pisses me off.

 

[Mielle]

Many of you think you can decide on the basis of a partial disjointed log that includes me resting for mp , that doesn't include my asking twice for a break that you can assess entirely what the situation was. Unless your all god you can't. Many of you made an assessment based on 60 secs of log, how incredibly clever you all must be. Many of you are apparently Gods who feel they can sit in judgement on others.
Yes I did say warping wasn't the best thing I ever did, I also pointed out I had never done it before and really should have asked if anyone wanted a tele first.

If it floats your boat and thats how you get your jollies go right ahead, because as I have already said while your going to town on me your leaving some other poor bastard alone. It just a bit sad, that with all your apparent intelligence that you can't channel your energies elsewhere.

FireStreak.... precisely where did I say I was a nice person ? Further, I don't need to seek thanks so you don't have a worry there.

Mishaela ... Words fail me on you, but next time I need castigating I will be sure to think of you, mind you I am probably old enough to be your mother but it may have some novelty value.

 

[Firestreak]

Many of you think you can decide on the basis of a partial disjointed log that includes me resting for mp , that doesn't include my asking twice for a break that you can assess entirely what the situation was. Unless your all god you can't. Many of you made an assessment based on 60 secs of log, how incredibly clever you all must be. Many of you are apparently Gods who feel they can sit in judgement on others.
Yes I did say warping wasn't the best thing I ever did, I also pointed out I had never done it before and really should have asked if anyone wanted a tele first.

No I'm not a god, but I am a whitemage, and therefore I am familiar with many of the activities a whitemage does, their resources and requirements. I know that Bjbreeze is a galka and therefore I'm sure has plenty of base HP. I know Cure 3 is more efficient than Cure 2, so if you were casting Cure 2 there was no dire emergency. I know Haste is 40 MP. Warp is 100 MP. I know if MP is an issue, the best thing to do is Haste the Ninja so you can rest without him taking damage. I also know I must feel bad for your static, and I'm glad I'm not in it, if they must sit on their hands mindful of what they say so you don't warp out and leave them alone in the depth of Boyahda. Or perhaps they've simply learned to coddle you way way too much and that's why you developed your attitude. But you can be happy, I mean, if you were a Thief you would be doing fine even if you used a warp scroll whenever someone told you how they want the SATA set up or what skillchain to do? If you played MNK, someone adviced you to used Chakra and you warped out you'd be rolling in another party soon right? I'm sure so many would come on to defend you.

 

[etchdog2000]

Or perhaps they've simply learned to coddle you way way too much and that's why you developed your attitude.

I just wanted to note, I am in Mielle's static and she is usually very open to suggestion. I know Mielle and our rdm work out who hastes who depending on how the battles are going, whos using more mp, etc. etc. If I dont have refresh when I need it or if I dont have haste I simply type ..
"<Haste> <Can I Have it?>"

And I get it.

I rarely even have to ask for it. (and im a DRK not a tank) So based on my experiences with Mielle as a WHM it has been very good. This is why when I read the flame I thought... Man he must have really pissed her off.

I just wanted to state that we (our static) in no way "coddle" her.

 

[Firestreak]

People used to being in static tend to irritate easily in pick-up parties. If exp is slower than one is used to, or simply you are unhappy because you'd prefer to be leveling with friends, one might take the stance easily "man I hate being with these noobs," Furthermore people are often more forgiving when they are with their friends than normally and less defensive.

Case and point, if you have asked for haste before from Mielle and she didn't start an argument with you over it and warp out.

 

[etchdog2000]

People used to being in static tend to irritate easily in pick-up parties. If exp is slower than one is used to, or simply you are unhappy because you'd prefer to be leveling with friends, one might take the stance easily "man I hate being with these noobs," Furthermore people are often more forgiving when they are with their friends than normally and less defensive.

I agree with you here. I am the same way sometimes. I refuse to level certain jobs in pickups for this exact reason.

Case and point, if you have asked for haste before from Mielle and she didn't start an argument with you over it and warp out.

I do not condone the warping out in any way shape or form. This has happened to 5 people on the whole entire server by Mielle. She admited it was bad form. She apologized and its been resolved. This is why I am frustrated talk about this is still going on.