I've resisted replying to this thread for awhile partly because I had not read the original thread and partly because I have friends on both sides of the argument and I wanted to stay out of it. I don't know Mielle (don't know Bjbreeeze either) but from what little I saw of the post I can say she acted poorly. I still haven't read the whole other thread at this point because after the two pages from that damn troll I could no longer bear reading it, but I am guessing (you can correct me if I am wrong) Mielle never admitted fault or apologized. With that said, I don't understand the problem here (not referring to the whole taking the this thread off topic which is another problem).
There seems to be a huge problem with people in general. You all have friends in this server, mostly linkshell members and you are all willing to go out on a limb to protect their reputation. Don't get me wrong thats a good thing. Thats means you are a good friend, but sometimes a good friend should just tell you you did something wrong or you acted innaproptriately. For instance, I had a friend in an old ls who was a red mage. I talked to him a lot and we were good friends. One day, we played together, not in a party but we were doing something as a linkshell, and for the first time I realized he was bad player. I didn't say a thing because I thought I would hurt his feelings, but in reality I think that was the worst thing I could have done. He never really improved and eventually quit the game. My point is this: People all think their linkshell is the best, that no one in it can possibly do anything stupid or bad, but you are so far from the truth. There are so few good players in this game that are exceptional all the time and if you think your linkshell is miraculously the only one with them all, then you are an idiot. People should be open to the idea that maybe someone did something wrong(this is very ironic I know, but in the flameboards its always guilty before proven innocent) or atleast try to have an unbiased look at the thread first. Personally, I rarely see a friend getting flamed here but I am open to the possibility they may have done something bad. Heck, if I ever saw my name here, I doubt I would be surprised. Maybe you can read the threads first, ignore the names and then decide if the person flamed is deserving of it or not.
Kiere, I am glad you want to stand up for your friend, but this was the wrong place. This thread had nothing to do with it and to make matters worse I cannot agree with you about your friend and therefore cannot agree with your comment.
Kiere said:
Mishaela said:
Meh, I personally just ignore the giagantic e-dicks that like to roam the flameboards (can you say compensation?)
Just a sidenote, the crucifiers of every false move that comonly roam the flameboards here may total 30 at best. The server has roughly 12000 different people, if not more. :wink:
I'm sorry...I find your response quite humorous considering your many posts regarding Mielle recently.
I do not mean to hurt your feelings but its true. In order for your post to have any validity, Mielle must be falsely accused. If you cannot actively take a suggestion (it was a suggestion and not a command, she could have ignored it) and then make a rude comment back, then you should not play this game with others. People will always give suggestions to you on how to play your job because they do not know if you are competent at your job. Then she warped out on the party which can only make her look guilty of being a bad whm.
Alanon, isn't arguing with you like arguing with a brick wall? You refused to relent this entire discussion and what for? So you could be right in the end. I still think you are wrong. There was more wrong than just the two missing hastes (a good whm could pick up on it) that was just the icing on the cake.
Here even Mishaela picked up on it: (there's a better quote in other thread, didn't want to look for it)
Mishaela said:
But seriously, in that party I look at the logs and what did I see? A White Mage casting Cure II very seldomly and nothing else. No Haste, no Slow, no Dia, no Paralyze, no Regen. If all she does is Cure II then guess what, someone in the party with /WHM could very well do the exact same thing and they could've filled her slot with someone who puts a bit more effort into her job. When she was asked to do more, she threw a tantrum and warped out. If someone benefits the party very little, or even none, then they're "leeching" in my books. Period.
Cure II : 24 mp, Max cure with lightstaff ~103
Cure III : 46 mp, Max cure with lightstaff ~213
2x Cure II : 48mp, Max cure with lightstaff ~206 (less cure more mp)
If you are using a lightstaff(you should be as soon as you ding 51) and still using cure II, you suck as a whm. There is absolutely no reason to EVER use cure II post 51. You need not top of hp because if they are short 100 hp, I doubt the tank is really going get hit enough to kill them in one hit. If you really are that scared and need to top off their hp, a more viable solution is regen. Not a huge problem but a good white mage should know that. But hey, thats the first problem that just jumped out at me. By the way for those that do not know, the biggest thing with white mage is not curing contrary to popular belief. Its conserving mp. By conserving mp, you make it possible to further the experience chain and get more experience. Anyone can spam cures, not everyone can conserve mp properly.
alanon said:
4. How the f-!k am I supposed to know she discussed anything in private?
Same answer as number 1 and 2. Except I will add that you have no reason to know. Why? BECAUSE IT IS NONE OF YOUR GODDAMNED BUSINESS!
I still find it hysterical and annoying at the same time that you make all these broad assumptions and then when I call you on it, you come back with "I didn't know. How was I supposed to know? etc, etc"
WELL NO FUCKING SHIT! WE ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING, THAT'S THE POINT. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW JACK SHIT.
It became our business once it was posted on qcdn by Bjbreeze. He posted it to warn us about a bad white mage. Do I want to invite a white mage that will possible be rude if I ask her politely to do something? Better yet maybe she'll warp out on me too. So basically you know jack shit too? By the way, what broad assumptions? I see nothing assumed poorly other than maybe Kiere's level...
Yah Kiere had a 60ish job and even in her sig it says unretired. Mishaela should have known from looking at the sig and the post count that she must have deleted the account and started new because no one else in this game is level 20 and played for that long too(this is brimming with sarcasm). My friend: level 27 mnk, played for about a year now. You never know, but hey you jumped to stupid conclusions too.
Yah I know its kind of hypocritical to agree with Mishaela on this because she is my friend, but I don't just agree with her because she is my friend, I agree because she is right. She may have said things rashly or been a little zealous, but I bet you have thought the same thing. I bet every person has seen atleast one person play so poorly you wished they quit or change jobs. Its not any different. If you think Misheala saying "In the end Mielle was just leeching what can possibly be excellent party, and further ruining the reputation of White Mages. So please, do the GOOD mages a favor and just quit, now." is harsh thats too damn bad. If you can't even get into a simple pickup party without making trouble, then there really isn't a place for you in this game unless you want to solo to 75 or play bst.
By the way. Mielle makes a lot of claims to getting into tons of pickup parties but if she's in a static party then why would she get pickup parties? I can understand maybe catching up on experience but she makes it seem like there are quite a few. Just a little thought there.
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