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Umm, could you guys get off my post, please?

Like, I don't mind if you want to go somewhere and argue with each other, and a lot of you seem like really nice people and all, but I really did mean for the original post to present a way of viewing people's mistakes as, err, well, mistakes -- rather than some sort of horrid immorality on their part. It just seems to me that nobody should spend hours of their lives debating the morale significance of, "/ma "Warp" <me>," for example. Anyhow, that was the original post's intent; sorry . . . I made up most of those examples of mistakes I'd made.

Anyway, I need to get back to crafting. (Anyone needs a woodworker, let me know; it's at 75 and rising).

Oh, and yeah, it wasn't supposed to be a self-flame post . . . again, irony . . . yeah . . .[/i]
 
I don't see a reason not to tar and feather Valoran. Evar. :twisted:
 
Lavi said:
Alanon, isn't arguing with you like arguing with a brick wall? You refused to relent this entire discussion and what for? So you could be right in the end. I still think you are wrong. There was more wrong than just the two missing hastes (a good whm could pick up on it) that was just the icing on the cake.
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Yup, it is. Lavi you miss the point too. Mish came in here talking about e-penis swinging, after trashing Mielle, and we called her on hypocrisy. You can think Im wrong, that's fine. I have nothing against you speaking up against me. I do however find it odd that you would come down on the side trashing mielle for all time after the way Vang has trashed you here before. I dont think you or mielle or anyone should have their names trashed because someone comes here and posts something.
 
Let me explain it a little more so you can understand why Mishaela flamed Mielle so much. White mage is her job. She does it very well. I like to think I do as well. Whenever I party with another white mage, most of the time I grind my teeth or bite my tongue because I can see every annoying mistake they make or little thing they can do to improve. I bet Mishaela does the same thing. Everyone does it. You party with someone and they can't do as good a job as you do when you play your job. You just want to point out every mistake or little improvement they could make but you can't. Why? Because you take pride in your job. You take pride in the fact you are a good white or any other job for that matter and it bugs you when someone else can't do it as well as they should. Its not like Mishaela flamed every single person in the flameboards. She flamed one person and it was your friend so you jumped all over her and called her a hypocrite.

And this is nothing at all like when Vang "flamed" me. Vang accused me of counter camping him, but I wasn't aware I could do that if I had been camping 2 hours prior to his arrival. I guess he must have pissed all over Argus spawn to mark his territory or something. However, Mielle clearly acted poorly and I was only stating what had been said already. Its not like I or Mishaela were prohibited from doing so, this is the flameboard after all.

And correct me if I am wrong, but have you ever ranted in any other flame because of someone's hypocrisy or just this one?
 
Lavi said:
Let me explain it a little more so you can understand why Mishaela flamed Mielle so much. White mage is her job. She does it very well. I like to think I do as well. Whenever I party with another white mage, most of the time I grind my teeth or bite my tongue because I can see every annoying mistake they make or little thing they can do to improve. I bet Mishaela does the same thing. Everyone does it. You party with someone and they can't do as good a job as you do when you play your job. You just want to point out every mistake or little improvement they could make but you can't. Why? Because you take pride in your job. You take pride in the fact you are a good white or any other job for that matter and it bugs you when someone else can't do it as well as they should. Its not like Mishaela flamed every single person in the flameboards. She flamed one person and it was your friend so you jumped all over her and called her a hypocrite.

And this is nothing at all like when Vang "flamed" me. Vang accused me of counter camping him, but I wasn't aware I could do that if I had been camping 2 hours prior to his arrival. I guess he must have pissed all over Argus spawn to mark his territory or something. However, Mielle clearly acted poorly and I was only stating what had been said already. Its not like I or Mishaela were prohibited from doing so, this is the flameboard after all.

And correct me if I am wrong, but have you ever ranted in any other flame because of someone's hypocrisy or just this one?
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this whole argument is exceptionally retarded.

Lavi and Ishaela, can you say, in your 70+ levels of white magery, that you have never once made a mistake or missed a haste?
 
Lavi and Ishaela, can you say, in your 70+ levels of white magery, that you have never once made a mistake or missed a haste?
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Of course people make mistakes, but I think you're missing the point entirely. It had nothing to do with missing the haste really.
 
Firestreak said:
Lavi and Ishaela, can you say, in your 70+ levels of white magery, that you have never once made a mistake or missed a haste?
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Of course people make mistakes, but I think you're missing the point entirely. It had nothing to do with missing the haste really.
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well I keep hearing crap like "z0mg Mielle missed x spell and only uses Cure II"

Sorry but, they've never partied with her, how can they make such a mass judgement based on 60 seconds of log? They can't. I like both Ish and Lavi, I like Mielle to, so I'm not taking sides, I'm just saying, everyone makes mistakes and misses spells here and there. Also, everyone acts stupid now and again, ie. Mielle's warping out on the party (she apologized for that). I've seen Ish throw tantrums too before too :p Nobody's perfect, but you guys shouldn't be so quick to offer one person up to be sacrificed to the almighty z0mg j00 suck god.
 
Dude here's the problem. Even if she did make an apology, at the time of Ishaela's post there was only insults on Mielle's part. This whole thread happened later, and at this point if Mielle's apologized, it's pretty damn irrelvant in any case you wish to make against Ishaeala.

The timeline is like this...

Bjbreeze posts flame > Mielle respoonds, no apology passing blame elsewhere > Ishaela flames

then Mielle apologizes I hear? I never saw it but at any rate it happened afterwards.

Kiere calls Ishaela a hypocrite, which could only be true if Mielle was even party right, which at the time of Ishaela's post wasn't true. It's all based on justification. Ishaela might not have justification now to make a new flame towards Mielle, but that doesn't mean at the time she wasn't right.

Visa vi... Someone wrongs you, you insult them, they apologize, a week later they say you are wrong to have insulted them for wroging you because they apologized. It happened AFTERWARD so it means nothing retroactively.
 
U dudes should jump off that bipolar crap, you know the only reason they put up with the bullshit us males put them though is because of it. Why else would they be pissed as hell at you, then you throw some bullshit thier way and they get all lovey dovey?

If they wasn't crazy, why the fuck would they stay with you? :lol:

ah well bad joke........
 
Heh, i spent 30 mins reading this before i go off to bed. I really like how it's a bad thing to be a hypocrite here. This is the flame bored(a joke if u get it), people here will fight to the death just so they can be right and look cool in game while makin the one's in game look stupid.
I really love'd Lavi's post that was very insightful, Mish said sorry because she just doesnt wanna fight anymore, she's more mature to swollow her pride then to keep "Beating this dead horse".
The POINT IS, no one is perfect and people make mistakes. It happens, SHIT happens. The Video Game world moves on. If you continue to poke at this subject, it's just showing ill-maturity. Then again, This is the lovely flameboard. This is were everyone Rants, Bitches and whines of how everyone but them keeps messing up. Very fun to read no? Also very funny to respond (i.e. this post)
Mish said sorry for what she said just so she doesnt have to deal with these guys rants anymore. I would suggest, unless you guys ranting enjoy being our clowns (i love being a clown), you would finish up this thread and go forth to a new one. I hate so much for a single subject to be drag'd out >:3


Much <3 Teppo
 
well I keep hearing crap like "z0mg Mielle missed x spell and only uses Cure II"
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Please feel free to join a lvl 50+ xp pt and have a WHM cast nothing but cure II on you when you are fighting IT mobs. Even better go fight Spiders and have fun with her curing sickle slash with her mighty cure II. I am not saying that is all the mielle did, but to say that standing there doing nothing but casting cure II is fine and it is a small mistake is wrong.
 
HOLYSHITWHATTHEFUCK!? This is how I feel about this thread now.

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I am going to break this down, so that EVERYONE understands...

Take away that Kiere and Mielle are LS mates, take away that thread about Mielle altogether. Imagine for just one second that Mielle doesn't even exist.

Kiere makes a comment to Mishaela about being a hypocrite. Mishaela and Kiere can flame each other, back and forth, all they want! (I am always up to see a good cat fight.) Anybody who wants to defend Mishaela or Kiere, can go right ahead... (Just remember Mielle doesn't exist, OK?)

IF you really feel like (for whatever reason) you JUST HAVE TO flame or defend Mielle, do it here: http://qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=14082

WHY IS THAT SO FUCKING HARD, TO UNDERSTAND?
 
But the argument isn't really about Mielle it's about Ishaela. We can't discuss the validity of Ishaela's comment without discussing Mielle. It'd be like trying to judge that Johny Cochrane freed guilty men without Discussing OJ Simpson. Where is your entire case without Mielle?
 
NO, NO, NO... Fire. While I love the analogy, it does not fit here. The actual argument would be if Mishaela flames people or not. In this very thread, she claims that she does not and/or dislikes people that do.

Kiere pointed out that she just read a flame by Mishaela, in a post about Mielle. Kiere never said that what Mishaela posted about Mielle was wrong or right. Just the fact that she did flame "someone".

It is more like if the late Johny Cochrane, claimed that he NEVER represented anyone in court, when it is apparent that he did. If someone in the media shouted out, "WELL WHAT ABOUT OJ SIMPSON"? Is the topic now "OJ Simpson" or the thousands of court records with Cochranes name on it?
 
Just a sidenote, the crucifiers of every false move that comonly roam the flameboards here may total 30 at best. The server has roughly 12000 different people, if not more.
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It's all based on this comment, which is basically saying people who bitch about every mistake. Now I don't know about all of you, but if I bitched on flameboard about every false move a party member did and I noticed, I would... well, be creating 10 or so flames an hour.

If you believe that the flame was about missing haste a couple times, then it's true she would be a pretty solid hypocrite.
 
Only 10 fire? damn i wish i had your sort of pts...i would have to be generous to keep it out of triple digits i think.
 
Rinoah said:
well I keep hearing crap like "z0mg Mielle missed x spell and only uses Cure II"
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Please feel free to join a lvl 50+ xp pt and have a WHM cast nothing but cure II on you when you are fighting IT mobs. Even better go fight Spiders and have fun with her curing sickle slash with her mighty cure II. I am not saying that is all the mielle did, but to say that standing there doing nothing but casting cure II is fine and it is a small mistake is wrong.
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I staticed with Mielle until level 56 and she didn't cast "nothing but cure II."
 
Wait nvm you said everybody makes mistakes.

But you still never said that she did more than cast cure II.

sorry for double post
 
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