Passions said:
That wasn't exagerated at all. It's the longest I've ever seeked on pld and I still didn't get a party. I wasn't whining, and I'm not a liar. GTFO
That wasn't exagerated at all. It's the longest I've ever seeked on pld and I still didn't get a party. I wasn't whining, and I'm not a liar. GTFO
you seriously sat in jeuno and made no effort to make a party of your own for 7hrs? you deserved to not get a party. and yes your whinning, all these pld threads and xp/hr and who likes what you all fucking whine that you dont get invites and get horrible xp/hr. If its so bad dont play it. When i can lvl thf from 50-62 in 4 1/2 days i dont care to hear over and over about how pld's never get a party.Eulore said:
Passions said:
When have I ever said anything about lopldexp that wasn't a joke? Jesus christ grow up. And I did look for members, but I won't start a party unless there's a bard or a red mage. Get the hell over yourself.
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I cut out the joking in your quote, and you wont start a party if there is no rdm or bard yet pld's never get invited. seems like while you lfp for 7hrs every other job lfp for 7hrs with no one partying.
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What the hell did you just say?
Eulore said:
I said that i took out the "joke" part of your quote that i was using showing you bitch about pld exp.
Then i went into about how you bitch about no brd's or rdm's lfp for 7hrs so you couldn't make a party. Refrencing that means every other job was lfp for those exact 7hrs you were lfp (providing during that time you were effortly trying to make a group) so being a pld makes no difference then if you were a NINJA.
blazn said:Only plds past 50 should be able to say how they get non invites from nin tanks taking there space. passions your a nin you can get invites not flg so do not step into pld area the shield can squash you!!!
I dont need a party period thats why i lvld ninja (well one of many reasons) I am my own damn party, if i leave the party is done. I do know what pld xp is though, i lvld with plds more then nin's on rdm before i started duoing nin and rdm together. blazn i played with your pld, i've played with plds on blm its not like i'm completely ignorant to the fact of what a pld is capable of getting. i made a lot of parties and i believe claud was one of my first pick tanks late 60's early 70's on blm.
generally speaking (for XP anyway)
Enmity > vit > def > MP (if it doesn't take away your HP) > everything else > evasion
however it would be a wise idea to have a little varity of gear that you can change around depending on the setup of the PT, for example if you were PT'd w/ a thf i'd slack up on the enmity gear and go more towards vit and def. i dunno if it's been asked or explained already but i'll go ahead and explain the difference between vit and def so you know when to make the switch (logic says 50 when you get defender, but when has SE ever been logical?) anyway. Damage works on a curve, where and how much is determined by your gear. def lowers your AVERAGE (important) damage taken on a given curve, however there are still some chances that the mob will peak out on damage even if you have alota defence. VIT lowers the curve itself, making the cap damage lower (cap = criticals, usually).
Even w/o taking the damage curves and all that into consideration it's much much easier to supliment massive amounts of DEF w/ food than it is to do the same with VIT or enmity
Enmity > vit > def > MP (if it doesn't take away your HP) > everything else > evasion
however it would be a wise idea to have a little varity of gear that you can change around depending on the setup of the PT, for example if you were PT'd w/ a thf i'd slack up on the enmity gear and go more towards vit and def. i dunno if it's been asked or explained already but i'll go ahead and explain the difference between vit and def so you know when to make the switch (logic says 50 when you get defender, but when has SE ever been logical?) anyway. Damage works on a curve, where and how much is determined by your gear. def lowers your AVERAGE (important) damage taken on a given curve, however there are still some chances that the mob will peak out on damage even if you have alota defence. VIT lowers the curve itself, making the cap damage lower (cap = criticals, usually).
Even w/o taking the damage curves and all that into consideration it's much much easier to supliment massive amounts of DEF w/ food than it is to do the same with VIT or enmity
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Uh.. a pld depends more on a brd or rdm than a ninja. In theory any nin seeking could have just gone with 2 blm or smn, blm and whm, ect so long as the mages were smart about resting as much as possible and not overtaxing mp. This is of course ignoring the fact that people will SPAM invites to a ninja that isnt seeking and ignore a pld coupled with the fact that rdm not seeking will accept an invite from a nin 10 times more often than an invite from a pld or dd.
I've been experiencing this kind of only ninja are tanks idiocy while leveling my war sub up every step of the way. I was the only tank seeking yet noone would let me be tank even when I tried to start parties. They insisted that I get a ninja as tank. Pld being tank was an afterthought even then to them. They also insisted on me severely gimping my damage by subbing nin but thats off topic.(pre 48)
The fact is there are many people who wont party without a ninja despite pld being able to fill in the role of tank as well.
7 hours is perfectly possible and probably meant there were alot of rdm and brd creating parties fom scratch instead of seeking that day and eulore got unlucky.
Edit: gotta get back on topic. as far as mp goes you shold level cooking for pineapple juice at least. lv30ish? That seems to take care of mp worries from what ive seen so far in exp parties. It seems to be the latest craze among low level jp mages and considering how rarely they get low on mp i'd say its a good thing.
The interesting thing about pld is its one of the only jobs where each rce has its own different setup to make it most effective. Humes go for even stats elvann go for some mp and str for hate. galka go for mp straight out mitra um.. I'm not really an expert on mithra pld but I'd guess that taking advantage of mitha agi would result in a high rate of parry/shield blocks and with a littlemp and hp gear they would do very well.
I've been experiencing this kind of only ninja are tanks idiocy while leveling my war sub up every step of the way. I was the only tank seeking yet noone would let me be tank even when I tried to start parties. They insisted that I get a ninja as tank. Pld being tank was an afterthought even then to them. They also insisted on me severely gimping my damage by subbing nin but thats off topic.(pre 48)
The fact is there are many people who wont party without a ninja despite pld being able to fill in the role of tank as well.
7 hours is perfectly possible and probably meant there were alot of rdm and brd creating parties fom scratch instead of seeking that day and eulore got unlucky.
Edit: gotta get back on topic. as far as mp goes you shold level cooking for pineapple juice at least. lv30ish? That seems to take care of mp worries from what ive seen so far in exp parties. It seems to be the latest craze among low level jp mages and considering how rarely they get low on mp i'd say its a good thing.
The interesting thing about pld is its one of the only jobs where each rce has its own different setup to make it most effective. Humes go for even stats elvann go for some mp and str for hate. galka go for mp straight out mitra um.. I'm not really an expert on mithra pld but I'd guess that taking advantage of mitha agi would result in a high rate of parry/shield blocks and with a littlemp and hp gear they would do very well.
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blazn said:
PLD doesn't work on dodging, the job isn't setup that way, you wanna dodge? play ninja. Ya, i know, dodging an attack keeps a little bit of hate, but the pld curing him/herself from taking a hit creates more, if keeping your HP up is causing to much strain on the PT...guess what bub? you're to low to be XPing on what you're XPing on, or your setup (gear or maybe party) is gimped. I'm tired of seeing PLD's in scorpion harnesses and dodge earrings, learn how your job works before you go spending tons of money on stuff that does little more for your job than "LOLLOOKIHAVEGIL!" However, i will give agi it's due, not only for mithra pld's but for others as well, agi does help with your shield blocking and parrying rates, but i wouldn't go out of my way to give up some slot for agi, using drone earrings would be as far as i would personally go.
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blazn said:
unless you bought your account, the first time i meet blazn was on pld with my rdm
do you remember where because maybe this is going somewhere?
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on gobbies with DA u want to dodge 1/2 the attacks 100-200 damage a hit 2 hits will hurt dodge one cure the other hate is good and mpIthenas said:
edit a pld in a SH? never seen that a pld in a hubby i have lol pld/niin on my pld af body (goo goo badger)
but yeah keep standard gear and have extra sets i had -% damage vit and def gear
blazn said:
what -% is there besides jelley ring at 63? before lvl 63? (other then earth staff which a pld should not be tanking with unless they are underlvld for the mob.
That gimp Darksteel set.Passions said:
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pld in evasion gear may as well deck himself out in int gear. as far as teh agi goes, it helps with shield. but i still wouldnt go and max out agi for it.
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blazn said:
I dont know if its just me in particular, but i RARELY if ever wait a long time for a party. Making a general statement like "Plds dont get invites" is ridiculous. Sure if its not peak time and there are 3 other tanks seeking, then im probably not gonna get an invite, but on the other hand, if it is NA peak time (or even sometimes JP peak time), I dont have to wait too long, and this has been level 55-60.
Dont worry about invites or finding party members...it should be the least of your concerns