Palides and Art of War

marxx

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K, so I logged on this morning to see shouts by Palides for a 6th in Royal ramble BCNM. I have a rdm/war alt, and alotta experience with the bcnm, so I joined. Anyone who has ever done this bc knows that its challenging, not only is the fight itself challenging, but after wins, the party needs to wait while the chest popper is bounced to saruta and has to walk back. All in all, a win typically takes 30 minutes or more by the time people get back to Balga’s Dias, and even though our party was good, this was no exception. So, after three hours of prep and bc, we still had two orbs left to do. Pretty standard really, it’s a long slow bc, but I figured I was alright because all the other members were from the same, a relatively old and solid ls; the art of war. And typically, people can count on their ls mates to finish runs in order to avoid screwing each other, so I felt safe.
But then an interesting thing happened, after three hours of solid connection, Palides DC immediately after receiving his orb items, and didn’t come back. It was more than a little obvious what happened, he had logged on the win side of Balga’s Dias. Either that, or he should call his power company / ISP and thank them for the greatest coincidence I have seen since I started at the NA release.
But it was ok, Art of War was more than happy to sub in another of its members who also had an orb and was available. This wasn’t just convenient, it was laughable. At this point id like to know if this was just an unbelievable coincidence or if Palides actually planned his/her dc to get Country into the run, but w/e (I have a pretty strong hunch it was the second)
So, after 3 a half hours of BC, I wasn’t willing to take this screwing from one person, much less an entire ls. So, here it is, a simple warning, if you run BCNM with Palides or with Art of War, be advised, they were good, knew what they were doing, but I suggest you insist on going first so they don’t try to manipulate you into doing extra work unfairly.

One more thing, if anyone happens to know whether Palides ahs Country’s account info to log in, I’d really like to know. I’m already pretty sure I know what happened, but at this point a confirmation would be closure. Either way, my blacklist just got it’s 3rd name in 6 years.

If Art of War wasn't as complicit in all this as my post suggested, too bad. I am using your members as representatives of your ls, if you can't police yourselves, quetz community needs to know it.
 
1. Palides DCs all the time, during sky (run with our LS), events (also with our LS), and merit PTs (also with our LS) so making it seem like this was aimed at you is kinda dumb.

2. Country is a separate person altogether, if anyone has access to her accounts its her BF/husband?? (srry dunno if you two got married yet). So no, your hunch is totally incorrect.

3. Palides is the LEADER of the LS, so no, we cant police the leader. Did you ever bother to check him? True, the members (and leader moreso) are representatives of the LS, but it woulda been a more douchey thing for them to kill what was left of the run dont ya think? They were decent enough to find another member to take his place so everyone could finish up their run (including you).

You make a lot of assumptions and that wall o' text only makes it harder to understand exactly what youre saying. I swear I had to read your damn post like 5 times to finally get what you were saying >_<
 
Let me get this right, your complaining about a member of a BCNM run DCing/Logging, and that they replaced Palides with another person who also brought an orb to a group?

If im getting this right, you still got to go... So you maybe lost 30 mins of time. I think you might be overreacting a bit mate =/, If you had that big an issue withs staying for one more orb you shouldve said something...
 
Whole thing coulda been avoided if he/she wouldnt have logged 10 secs after her items dropped, defend em all u want. And pik at text all u want, I've never dc'd after getting drops, ever!
 
So, after 3 a half hours of BC, I wasn’t willing to take this screwing from one person, much less an entire ls.

From what I got from this section here, he left the group............which means theres not much reason to bitch either?
 
Let me get this right, your complaining about a member of a BCNM run DCing/Logging, and that they replaced Palides with another person who also brought an orb to a group?

If im getting this right, you still got to go... So you maybe lost 30 mins of time. I think you might be overreacting a bit mate =/, If you had that big an issue withs staying for one more orb you shouldve said something...

I left, and I told the other 4 remaining members of Art of War who hadn't dc that this post was comin..
 
Wow. You got another person you did your orb what the hell is your problem?
 
So wait... you left after they got someone else to help? So you didn't end up doing yours? Huh?
 
seems like all of you are missing the point and/or are retarded.

marxx is saying that this person got his drops and left, and then another person from the same ls, who obviously had an orb, came just in time to do more bc runs. so now marxx has to stay for another run. all this without a word from palides.
 
See, that should be the OP. None of that other crap is needed. Just gets people confused.
 
Were you on bard? If so, this could tie in with palides flame about bards! He was getting back at you!

No but seriously, why flame a whole linkshell? If you problem is with palides I don't see why TAoW is guilty. Besides, not everyone in a linkshell does as their colleagues do.
 
seems like all of you are missing the point and/or are retarded.

marxx is saying that this person got his drops and left, and then another person from the same ls, who obviously had an orb, came just in time to do more bc runs. so now marxx has to stay for another run. all this without a word from palides.

I think your missing our point, it doesnt make us retarded that most of us dont consider this a big deal (IF He ended up using his orb, and all he was forced to do was stay for an extra run). Theres alot of info left out. We dont know if this Country person went last, or if the OP got to use his orb.

But it seems to me, and i can infer this because i am NOT retarded, that someone left or dc'ed (No one can really be sure) and the remaining members brought in another person to keep the group going and not just break it off right there because if im getting this corrected, only 4 people went, and if they were all TAoW members except the OP, then they would be screwing themselves over...

W.e their motives were, they brought another person to finish the run. The person who subbed in is doing you all a favor (Putting whatever motives aside), i think its fair that they get to pop too, and if you were not okay with this then you could have just left. If you did leave and never got to pop, then I, (And im assuming a couple other people here) think you are overreacting.
 
Maybe he fake DC'd, maybe he DC'd genuinely - I'm awestruck that you actually have a problem with people REPLACING him as opposed to calling it a night with people who still haven't popped not getting their chance - it's the smart thing to do...
 
I think your missing our point, it doesnt make us retarded that most of us dont consider this a big deal (IF He ended up using his orb, and all he was forced to do was stay for an extra run). Theres alot of info left out. We dont know if this Country person went last, or if the OP got to use his orb.

But it seems to me, and i can infer this because i am NOT retarded, that someone left or dc'ed (No one can really be sure) and the remaining members brought in another person to keep the group going and not just break it off right there because if im getting this corrected, only 4 people went, and if they were all TAoW members except the OP, then they would be screwing themselves over...

W.e their motives were, they brought another person to finish the run. The person who subbed in is doing you all a favor (Putting whatever motives aside), i think its fair that they get to pop too, and if you were not okay with this then you could have just left. If you did leave and never got to pop, then I, (And im assuming a couple other people here) think you are overreacting.

Agreed. Yes, its highly suspicious the way Palides DCed, but as I stated before, its not the first time he does it. He DCed during Tyger the other day (the one where Shado CFH), he DCed during a full LS merit PT, and many other instances. Flaming the WHOLE LS even though they went out of their way to get another person to sub in for Palides so you could pop your orb, and at the same time hook someone else up.

See, I would get flaming Palides for the DC, but when he brought in the whole issue of the LS finding someone to replace him, he took the wind out of a decent flame because he made the LS look good in tryin to get someone to help finish popping his orb. If Marxx left of his own accord then he has no one to blame but himself for leaving.
 
Never said it was their fault I left, I said that I refused to tolerate it. Oh and look at that, I flamed em. Personally, I think that pretty much covers the issue of my orb..

Other issue.. am i wrong to flame them for this.. Palidades.. definitly not.. the ls, maybe, but like i sais b4, every member of every ls acts as a rep for them, and the dc was so obviously fake due to the timing that I do in fact believe it was justifiable to suggest that it was intentional and pre-arranged. Hence the reason why I flamed an entire shell.

As far as whether or not I'm right, well, I don't really believe that a single person who responded would appreciate seeing a person dc who just got their drops, so really all we're argueing about is whether people believe it was intentional or not.. I know what I think about this question in this instance, and like I said, Palidades is the 3rd person on my blacklist in 6 years, if yall think I'm over reacting, well, at least I don't do it terribly often.

either way, after havin a perfect connection for 3+ hours and then dc right after his orb, he's stayin on the blacklist... period
 
Good for you, theres plenty of people to do KSNMs with kiddo. Way to kill your own flame. Had you left the rest of the LS out, this flame woulda been alright, but you shot yourself in the foot when you brought the rest of the LS into this (even though they saw fit to try to help you get your orb). The minute you decided to leave without popping your orb, you fucked yourself over

So they brought someone else in, who also wanted to pop........how is that wrong? Should this other person that came to help not have gotten to pop? How is THAT fair? Not ALL help is free in this game Marxx, learn to deal with it.
 
I think your missing our point, it doesnt make us retarded that most of us dont consider this a big deal (IF He ended up using his orb, and all he was forced to do was stay for an extra run). Theres alot of info left out. We dont know if this Country person went last, or if the OP got to use his orb.

But it seems to me, and i can infer this because i am NOT retarded, that someone left or dc'ed (No one can really be sure) and the remaining members brought in another person to keep the group going and not just break it off right there because if im getting this corrected, only 4 people went, and if they were all TAoW members except the OP, then they would be screwing themselves over...

W.e their motives were, they brought another person to finish the run. The person who subbed in is doing you all a favor (Putting whatever motives aside), i think its fair that they get to pop too, and if you were not okay with this then you could have just left. If you did leave and never got to pop, then I, (And im assuming a couple other people here) think you are overreacting.

yes he did over react, but who are you to put value on someones time? you are not the op, you are not in his shoes, you can not infer that his time for just one more run is available much less warranted.
 
yes he did over react, but who are you to put value on someones time? you are not the op, you are not in his shoes, you can not infer that his time for just one more run is available much less warranted.

Im not doing any of those things you mentioned, he put his flame in a public forum, and all i did was say that he overreacted. Im not trying place a value on his time...
 
you just said "IF He ended up using his orb, and all he was forced to do was stay for an extra run". even if he didnt use his orb yet, he had to stay for another run.

you are implying that its just another run, no biggie. thus i asked why you think just another run, around 30 mins, of the OPs time, should be spent helping someone who didnt help everyone before him.
 
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