Pandemonium Warden medical ward.

I'd advise against that rather not be lagged to hell and confused who our people and observers are when trying to raise -_-;
 
i actually wasn't as lagged as much as I expected to be but then again I was tossing dots on pw and I wasn't near the SE alliance.

I really think we should take advantage of the pets there though I'd be willing to sub my /bst and help charm them the only problem is that they're leeches and slimes so it would work against my charming(with chr+ gear and tame >,>) since my bst isn't 75 yet
 
Seems to me Bladewind pretty much knows what went wrong when he pulled the lamps. Obviously the puller should be outside the main alliance, but he knows that. So moving on.

I would suggest the PLD assigned to hold the lamps gathered a little more hate before running away with the lamps. -Ga -> Sentinel -> Rampart would be a quick way to generate hate before running away. Especially if you are able to land rampart on a full party.

Gathered from what i read so far i assume Blade was suppose to co-tank with Jamal. I would actually suggest going as far as 3 tanks. 3 PLD's brd whm rdm is an excellent combo for things like this. Thats what we used every attempt we did on AV and it worked very well (save for manafont/chainspell spammage but that is pretty obvious)
 
Anyone wonde rif SE has made pand like nyzul isle? Maybe when your ls pops him a second time, he'll start on the form you wiped to?

Maybe SE is laughign at us cause we're doing the equivalent of trying to wrap all 100 levels of nyzul in one shot, when in fact we could just take down 4-5 of his forms, call it a day, come back later and keep going.

Do you lsoe the seals after popping him and need to fight all 4 tiers of mobs all over? Or can you buy a new pop set for pand right after?
 
Well urat that is not likely the case, no nm has a sort of set memory like that

nyzul is also fairly random with mobs and bosses so there's no relation in terms of "remembering" or anything like floors other than a time limit...

You trade in the seals you get from Tinnin, Sarameya, and <insert Khimaria name> when you get the ra/ex item for PW you have to start from scratch at tier I then work your way up, although SnB is close to another popset for PW.


PW also depops under 2 hours regardless of what you do post nerf
 
it's all or nothing.

Might have to use 3 tanks in main tank alliance but seems lame since others can get to last form with 3 tanks alone :\
 
Urat said:
Anyone wonde rif SE has made pand like nyzul isle? Maybe when your ls pops him a second time, he'll start on the form you wiped to?

Maybe SE is laughign at us cause we're doing the equivalent of trying to wrap all 100 levels of nyzul in one shot, when in fact we could just take down 4-5 of his forms, call it a day, come back later and keep going.

Do you lsoe the seals after popping him and need to fight all 4 tiers of mobs all over? Or can you buy a new pop set for pand right after?
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No. Many ls's have done multiple pops and you lose the seals after trading it.
 
Grandphoenix said:
it's all or nothing.

Might have to use 3 tanks in main tank alliance but seems lame since others can get to last form with 3 tanks alone :\
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No offense, but those that does that probably have Aegis/D.ring/Hauteclaire/valhalla/etc PLD's, gjallarhorns and so on and so forth. Not saying that you need that, but you cant expect to play it the same way as those that do.
 
Neisan said:
Please stop skipping the thinking process before you respond.
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No one asked you neisan, liek I said befor,e you got a beef with em take it to the flameboard, otherwise stfu.

Back on topic,

K. Ishitar said:
Well urat that is not likely the case, no nm has a sort of set memory like that

nyzul is also fairly random with mobs and bosses so there's no relation in terms of "remembering" or anything like floors other than a time limit...

You trade in the seals you get from Tinnin, Sarameya, and <insert Khimaria name> when you get the ra/ex item for PW you have to start from scratch at tier I then work your way up, although SnB is close to another popset for PW.


PW also depops under 2 hours regardless of what you do post nerf
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I see, it may be possible still, considering PW isn't exactly your average NM, lol.

But if you need to start from scratch to pop him again, it's unlikely that SE expects you to go through the ZNM list like 8-9 times to finalyl get to PW's last form.

I agree with the avoid stun zerg method, wonder if it's possible to macro a set of "resist stun" gear, anyone know if it's possible to resist PWs stunga?

Maybe have your LS do each mob like 8-9 times in a row very time you do a run, so by the end the entire LS has a popset of their own, then just do PW -9 times in a row?

Just tossing ideas out there, this mob has only been popped a few times, I'm sure someone will figure out, or just give up and wait a couple years for SE to get the clue and gimp it further... lol
 
I still think all the endgame LS of Quetz should team up and just beat it so we can stop being a joke. Would be more successful then posting for random help and failing.
 
stun isn't a very big deal unless in critical moments imho it does it at time of pop and before going into it's next form

when you pop it you're ready and at full capacity at next form you're preparing to start again at that near same capacity.

not in SnB as well just a tidbit to add, a lot of things in this game take a lot of time to get to which increases the stress relating to the higher tier Notorious Monsters and the greater effect of losing to it.

I'm convinced that PW is beatable, it's just a matter of time
 
the trophy items needed to pop him are about a 10-20% drop rate so would have do 150-300 tier 4s just to have 10 pop sets and that's a lot more tier 1's etc it's not something that simply gets done within a year.

As for neisan's comment his point was fine this is the end game forum last time I checked so having some prior knowledge before commencing dioreah of the brain would be much appreciated.

Also his stun range is only reported to be 10' and since casting range on majority of mobs is ~20' should be able to nuke safely and not be stunned. (In our attempt he didn't even stun immediately [I didn't see him even do it] but no one expected him to do anything else from all other reports)
 
Also it's like JoL/AV if you kill it/lose you still have to start from JoT JoF and JoF all over again for next set.
 
Urat said:
Something.
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Please get out of the topic you know nothing about. What kind of end-game experience do you have as a Dancer?
 
Caerloc said:
Gathered from what i read so far i assume Blade was suppose to co-tank with Jamal. I would actually suggest going as far as 3 tanks. 3 PLD's brd whm rdm is an excellent combo for things like this. Thats what we used every attempt we did on AV and it worked very well (save for manafont/chainspell spammage but that is pretty obvious)
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Jamal was the only tank that had hate from PW for long, so he could tell you better, but he's pretty easy to hold from what i could tell, especially /nin. The only problem we had with PW himself, was when he charmga'd, shouldn't have been an issue but people were unable to sleep/bind us before doing considerable damage to our own alliance. He also used it at least twice in a very short period of time, so we had 3 charmed pld. Obviously this problem only applies to the first form, i'm sure latter forms will present there own challenges.
 
can't sleep brainjack cause strong DoT etc
 
I don't think it would be a problem if the lamps were actually dead, but since we had charmed tanks, and lamps going after everyone it didn't turn out very well.
 
Jamal hits like a girl anyways wasn't THAT bad really I only think a handful of people went down.
 
bladewind~ said:
Jamal was the only tank that had hate from PW for long, so he could tell you better, but he's pretty easy to hold from what i could tell, especially /nin. The only problem we had with PW himself, was when he charmga'd, shouldn't have been an issue but people were unable to sleep/bind us before doing considerable damage to our own alliance. He also used it at least twice in a very short period of time, so we had 3 charmed pld. Obviously this problem only applies to the first form, i'm sure latter forms will present there own challenges.
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Grandphoenix said:
can't sleep brainjack cause strong DoT etc
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I'm sorry, obviously i'll have to be more specific, people were unable to keep us controlled while charmed and prevent us from killing our own members by using gravity/bind etc. We killed at least 5 people between us*, possibly more, sure some people were weak already but even if they weren't Jamal and I were both /assisting PW, who hits mages like a truck. Maybe needlessly losing an entire party isn't a big deal in your minds, to me it seems like a pretty big problem.

*to clarify, i saw "Jamal defeats Xxxxx" or "Bladewind defeats Xxxxx" 5 times, aswell as "PW defeats Xxxxx" multiple times, so the death toll of this move was pretty disasterous.
 
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