masterorion said:
hmm, you yourself, decided to quote a thread between myself and whoever...i wanted it to just be removed but you didnt. the only reason why it was removed was by mistake by yourself sculli.
are things done by you exempt?
I honestly do not remember which thread you are talking about. However, most all threads made are still around, and I can look it up. I imagine it was on the old Flameboard?
Be that as it may, the issue at hand is the use of quotes in signatures, where the quoted text is coming up as often as the one who has it in their sig posts.
Without knowing what exactly you are refering to I can only say that quoting a post within the same thread, or branching out of a thread to create a new thread to essentially not go off-topic in the old thread is something I would consider normal forum behaviour.
masterorion said:
i guess hitler comes in many other forms
Nazi references are completely unacceptable. Nothing, absolutely nothing done on these forums comes even close to the grief the Nazi regime caused for millions of people. If you, or anyone else, are unable to accept that and respect those who suffered under Hitler, rather than cheapen them by comparing forum policy to Nazi policy, then you will be shown out. I realize that some find it acceptable since the Soup Nazi in the Seinfeld episode and whatever, but you are asked to choose a different form of expression that while still showing your disapproval for forum policy or leadership, doesn't trivialize the grief millions of people had to go through. See the updated
QCDN Community Standards which put this common sense issue in writing.
_Neosquall_ said:
Why did my harmless post get deleted?
Off-topic. I, and some other posters, try to turn this into a meaningful discussion that will hopefully lead to acceptable results. Off-topic content (even if it is funny) does clutter up this thread.
_Neosquall_ said:
This is getting a tad bit ridiculous, sir. :/
He asked for his account to be deleted, so I did it, what else do you want me to do? Seriously, I don't do it, I get heat, I do it I get heat. Make up your mind will ya? I previously refused to delete accounts because vBulletin keeps telling me that the posts will be set to "Guest" which will essentially make the posts anonymous, which is something that I didn't want to happen. Cleofis wrote:
Cleofis said:
To be honest i'd rather my account was deleted. I know with boards like this it can be done without saying guest. It can still have my name just written as if it was a guest. At least that's what happens at another board I frequent.
so I decided to give it a shot, and it worked. Other users had previously asked to have their account deleted, so I let them know that it is possible asking who else wants to be deleted.
Cubswoo said:
What people are forgetting is that the FB wasn't just about insults and poop jokes, it was a style of posting.
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Sometimes the only language people listen to is one with passion.
Insults have never ever won an argument, and they never will. In an argument one is trying to convince the other to see one's point of view and perceive it as true. This can simply not be accomplished by belitteling the one who is supposed to be convinced.
I am not the one who says the FB was all insults, I am the one who is saying that the FB promoted insults. I agree that some of the best QCDN posts were made on the FB, I think we can also agree that a lot of it was "you are a moron!". "no, you are!" etc.
Do you really believe that "You are a fucking idiot for not getting my point" will make the one who was called any more receptive to the OP's point?
Cubswoo said:
Did you forget that I was the one who spearheaded the FB having any kind of serious moderation in the first place?
I do too remember that well. But as I said earlier, the fact that it spilled over into other parts of QCDN was one issue, and the fact that people should treat each other decently even if in disagreement was another.
The FB promoted the attitude to treat each other like shit, I don't believe any amount of moderation would have changed that, it was an attitude that has grown over close to two years. The only chance I saw to change it was to get rid of the pinnacle of that attitude at QCDN.
Cubswoo said:
I'd have felt better if you just told me I was a shitty mod or something.
I don't believe you were a shitty mod. You did have the most shitty job (well, maybe admin is, but anyway) to mod the FB with asiamise. No matter what you would do, you would get heat (which is the seat I am in atm). Historically the FB hasn't been strictly moderated, nor did it really make sense to moderate the "Anarchy reigns supreme" board. That was till it became "Now with 100% more moderation", but even then it was difficult to decide what should stay and what should go. Still, it was clear to me that you weren't in favor of the changes, and while I do believe that those who disagree can work together, I just didn't see enough common ground at that time.
You have seen mods in this thread disagreeing with my decision to ask people to remove quotes. It's one of the few things mods and I disagree on, but overall the current mods are on board in working their way through this mess of community standards, moderator standards, editing policy, reading threads, modding them, taking heat, etc.
Cubswoo said:
Having change be a result of the userbase and not a professor would be a fine start.
Actually it was Maxwell really, the professor just pointed it out. Anyway, userbase initated change is fine to a degree. Ultimately I am the admin and I can't support things I am not comfortable with. I don't believe in a QCDN that we had when the old FB was still around. I am not saying the current QCDN is perfect, it's far from it, but I will not revive the old FB to appease those who crave it.
Cubswoo said:
And who's to say that someone else couldn't both put in the hours necessary and keep this site afloat?
It's possible that there could be others, but are there others who can guarantee consistency, and who will not walk out after taking some heat and realizing that it's one huge time sink? I made a committment that I intend to keep, and while I don't want to rag on Pupusa for real life getting in the way of admining QCDN, I do want to point out that it happened.
Cubswoo said:
No. No, that's bullshit. It's up to YOU. Do not keep making these half-hearted attempts to pass the buck on the responsibility of how this forum should be shaped.
You can't have it both ways. In one post you say that you have all these ideas, but you see no point in bringing them up. Then I reply that you are welcome to bring them up as long as they do not include bringing the old FB back, and then you call BS? Am I missing something, or does this make no sense at all.
How can you say you have ideas, and then get upset when I say "let's hear them"?
Cubswoo said:
Frankly, I'm insulted that you feel the general QCDN userbase has to be treated like your children for us to be worthwhile.
Sorry you feel that way. Behavioral rules exist everywhere. I don't want people to treat each other like shit on my site, yeah, it's still mine, even though it would be nothing without the users. If you feel that this desire makes you feel like I am treating you as a child, then there is nothing I can do to change that. I am telling you want you can and can not do at QCDN. To compare apples with apples; other forums do the same thing. Some are more strict that QCDN, some are less strict, none is lawless (except offtopic.com maybe). You are the one who is not happy with the current rules, why are you asking me to come up with a way to appease you while you have a clear idea as to what needs to happen?
I can only guess, you already know for sure.
You can't get what you don't ask for, don't expect me to sit here and muse all day long what I could possibly do to make Cubswoo happy, because that simply won't happen.
If you are not happy, you have the option to voice your opinion as to what needs to change. If your opinion is reasonable and practical, then chances are good that it will be done. The only exclusion is that the old FB won't come back, and personal insults will not be promoted. That's the framework you can go by.
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I have removed all the chasym induced drama, and associated replies, from this thread. This is about working out how QCDN will work. Telling those who are not happy with the way things are to go elsewhere doesn't help, unless they want the old FB back, then they will have to indeed go elsewhere.
Do not bring further "just go away" issues into this thread, doing so is counterproductive as to what many QCDN members and I are trying to do here, and will result in access restrictions to QCDN.
I don't mind (Unless I'm already in a bad mood but in that case I usually just leave for awhile) Oh well... *shrugs*
