pet peeve

Solitia said:
Like you've never made a grammar or spelling error before.

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DONT BE STOOPID I SPEAK GOOD AND EVARYTHANG
 
Kelyon said:
i have a better one. Take the spells out of the game.
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That wouldn't solve the problem. The problem is people not taking responsiblity and having what they need to get around and do their job properly.
 
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Kelyon said:
:wink: sowwy i went into defensive stance (lolWoW). I totally agree people need to buy pots. I am saying that people are to lazy to farm for it.
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And I am just stating that if I cannot trust you to take care of something so trivial why should I trust you to properly DD or properly Tank or MB or lead the way to a camp for that matter. If you can't take the time to get gil for the necessities then I can't take the time to party with you.
 
Tossing a person a sneak/invis at the zone is one thing, because you know it's a safe spot and you may be waiting a few seconds for everyone to reach there anyhow. But there are dozens upon dozens of places where if sneak or invis is dropping, stopping a mage to recast it on them can very well get them killed. Not to mention if (god forbid) you wind up with a party with only one sneak/invis caster and NONE of the party brings pots, you can waste up to ten mins just getting across one zone like Kuftal or Terrigan, which is just stupid. =/
 
Blazeoffury said:
And I am just stating that if I cannot trust you to take care of something so trivial why should I trust you to properly DD or properly Tank or MB or lead the way to a camp for that matter. If you can't take the time to get gil for the necessities then I can't take the time to party with you.
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remove all the "you". It makes me feel as if you talking about me.
 
Kelyon said:
remove all the "you". It makes me feel as if you talking about me.
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It's a hypothetical "you". He's fine to use it. You (yes, actually you) are taking it the wrong way.
 
/sigh

I for one always try to carry the proper meds to sneak and invis myself but damn if your a mage you have to understand that the ability to sneak and invis was given to you to be able to help other players, just like your abilities to cure, refresh, raise, buff etc etc. You don't have a problem throwing around cures and buffs in a pt but you have a problem with sneak and invis?... Yes it can be a pain in the ass to have to hold someones hand across a zone by having to sneak and invis them to a exp camp or whatever but ain't that just the same as having to keep the party members alive while exp-ing? yes yes, its all the same its just that curing, refreshing, buffs etc etc help you to get exp whereas sneaking and invising fools doesn't. I hate the standards that we live by in this game.... When i play my mage job i will have no problem casting on fools that don't bring the proper meds.. why? cause its my job to "help" the party plain and simple.

ps. I say fools because if you don't bring meds to sneak and invis yourself, you are a fool, even if there is a mage around. :P
 
Nolan said:
I for one always try to carry the proper meds to sneak and invis myself but damn if your a mage you have to understand that the ability to sneak and invis was given to you to be able to help other players, just like your abilities to cure, refresh, raise, buff etc etc. You don't have a problem throwing around cures and buffs in a pt but you have a problem with sneak and invis?... Yes it can be a pain in the ass to have to hold someones hand across a zone by having to sneak and invis them to a exp camp or whatever but ain't that just the same as having to keep the party members alive while exp-ing? yes yes, its all the same its just that curing, refreshing, buffs etc etc help you to get exp whereas sneaking and invising fools doesn't. I hate the standards that we live by in this game.... When i play my mage job i will have no problem casting on fools that don't bring the proper meds.. why? cause its my job to "help" the party plain and simple.

ps. I say fools because if you don't bring meds to sneak and invis yourself, you are a fool, even if there is a mage around. :P
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Actually sneak and invising someone is nothing like curing and buffing in a party. I can see why you think this comparison would work because they are all spells you can cast on other people, but it just doesn't work that way. A mage sneaking/invising someone through a zone puts themselves at a much higher risk then the person they are sneaking through the zone because of recast timers on the spells, why should I as a mage ( the one whom you are protecting) die for you because you are to lazy and too cheap to put forth the effort to farm and buy the small necessities?
 
And like i said before, once they get sneak/invis'ed they run off without waiting for the mage. So yeah the chances of the mage getting killed a long ways from the rest of the party members is pretty high.
 
Ya know? Having been on both sides of this particular fence, there's something I'd like to add.

Yes, I agree that everyone should have a stack of oils and powders with them, but why is it that even in a spot where it's utterly safe, zero risk of aggro, and absolutely no sweat to anyone . . . melee so often still have to beg for a sneak/invis!?

I try not to let this bother me, and personally I never ask(unless I'm in a situation where I'm down to my last couple), but I tend to make a mental note each time it happens.

I mean honestly, a quick sneak/invis at each zone swap in sky could easily save melees several stacks' worth of oils a week.
 
Reauland said:
Ya know? Having been on both sides of this particular fence, there's something I'd like to add.

Yes, I agree that everyone should have a stack of oils and powders with them, but why is it that even in a spot where it's utterly safe, zero risk of aggro, and absolutely no sweat to anyone . . . melee so often still have to beg for a sneak/invis!?

I try not to let this bother me, and personally I never ask(unless I'm in a situation where I'm down to my last couple), but I tend to make a mental note each time it happens.

I mean honestly, a quick sneak/invis at each zone swap in sky could easily save melees several stacks' worth of oils a week.
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We have covered that at the beginning a first sneak/invis we will gladly do, after that you're on your own.
 
lol, having NOT read all the posts, I'll put in my 2 gil worth:

I don't mind sneaking/invis'ing melees at the start of any zone. I do get peeved if people can't use oils/potions if either wears while we're moving through the zone, though. lol, and if a mage is going through a zone like Uleguarand Range and doesn't have their own oils/powders for magic aggro areas, I get a mite peeved at them too! :)

I really do believe people at a high level should have learned enough to be prepared, not only for what they'll find in camps, but also for what they encounter on the way to/from.

For myself, and even as a whm, I have a standard "kit," made up of specific foods and meds, that I keep on me at all times (it helps to have done the gobbiebag quests), and I replenish them from my mh safe after a party or event. I'll also add stuff to my standard kit if the situation I'm gonna be in calls for it.

My kit is as follows:

12x Poison Potion
12x Echo Drops
12x Silent Oils
12x Prism Powders
4x Yagudo Drinks
Mp/Hmp/whatever food of choice - sufficient to get me through 3 hours, plus reuse in case I die once.

I replenish the "stacked" stuff from an extra stack in my mh safe. When that stack runs out, I get another.

It works out that I'm most always ready to go just by getting signet/sanction. If we're camping the mire I usually bring an extra stack of echos, and I'll adjust for other situations as appropriate.

Dunno if these thoughts are useful or not. Hope they are.

All the best,
Fire
 
Raesylil said:
And like i said before, once they get sneak/invis'ed they run off without waiting for the mage. So yeah the chances of the mage getting killed a long ways from the rest of the party members is pretty high.
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Personally, I kinda like bringing up the rear. That way if someone goes down I don't have to go back for em. I like it even more when the party sticks together, for mutual support when there's aggro. When we can do that it's a lot better. However, if I'm the only mage, and I'm doing initial sneaks/invisys on the rest of the party, I understand that won't happen. The durations are unpredictable and you just know something's gonna wear on one person before you've gotten to em all. In those situations, everyone having their own oils/powders is a godsend.

Fire
 
Blazeoffury said:
We have covered that at the beginning a first sneak/invis we will gladly do, after that you're on your own.
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Oh, of that I have little doubt. By and large the posters on this board are a responsible, considerate bunch. I'm talking about the overwhelming majority of mages I encounter these days to whom such a kindness never seems to occur.
 
Firebrand said:
lol, having NOT read all the posts, I'll put in my 2 gil worth:

I don't mind sneaking/invis'ing melees at the start of any zone. I do get peeved if people can't use oils/potions if either wears while we're moving through the zone, though. lol, and if a mage is going through a zone like Uleguarand Range and doesn't have their own oils/powders for magic aggro areas, I get a mite peeved at them too! :)

I really do believe people at a high level should have learned enough to be prepared, not only for what they'll find in camps, but also for what they encounter on the way to/from.

For myself, and even as a whm, I have a standard "kit," made up of specific foods and meds, that I keep on me at all times (it helps to have done the gobbiebag quests), and I replenish them from my mh safe after a party or event. I'll also add stuff to my standard kit if the situation I'm gonna be in calls for it.

My kit is as follows:

12x Poison Potion
12x Echo Drops
12x Silent Oils
12x Prism Powders
4x Yagudo Drinks
Mp/Hmp/whatever food of choice - sufficient to get me through 3 hours, plus reuse in case I die once.

I replenish the "stacked" stuff from an extra stack in my mh safe. When that stack runs out, I get another.

It works out that I'm most always ready to go just by getting signet/sanction. If we're camping the mire I usually bring an extra stack of echos, and I'll adjust for other situations as appropriate.

Dunno if these thoughts are useful or not. Hope they are.

All the best,
Fire
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See guys, is that really too much to ask?
 
Reauland said:
Yes, I agree that everyone should have a stack of oils and powders with them, but why is it that even in a spot where it's utterly safe, zero risk of aggro, and absolutely no sweat to anyone . . . melee so often still have to beg for a sneak/invis!?
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Most of the time if someone's calling a spot completely safe, they're wrong. =\ I can't think of a single place post-40 that has a "safe spot" in between the zone and camp.

Rather, I can think of one - Theres a small opening between Rumble Crawlers and Helm Beetles, it's safe to rebuff there if you for some horrible reason decide to camp Helm Beetles on the opposite side of the tunnel. But that's leaving one camp for another (a worse one at that), so I wouldn't say that counts.
 
Allow me to clarify what I meant by that last statement. I actually was referring to places such as zone lines(and yes, there are exceptions even to that one) and other such places that I, as someone who's walked the entirety of the world as a 42 Whm and the winner of several nekkid mule races, know to be safe for recasts.

Since I'm so frequently the person sneaking others as Bst/Whm on coffer hunts, ZM Runs, etc., the lack of consideration on the part of mages gets under my skin, especially when we're talking about situations where we all know where we're going, and a mage standing 5 virtual feet from me sneaks and invises themself then runs off without giving a moment's thought to anyone else.

In the past 6 months, I think I could count on one hand the number of times someone's extended this courtsey to me without having been asked first.
 
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