Phraust - From the Inside

TiyaKelth

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A few notes before I start...

I know Phraust helps lots of people, and I applaud him for doing so. I don't need a flood of unrelated posts here saying, "Phraust helped me with such and such, so I like him."

Next, I make this post for one reason, and one reason only... To clear my name. Unfortunately, a lot of issues are going to have to be brought up to do so.

Third, I didn't want to make this post, and tried to sidestep all conflict. That didn't work.

Finally, I know that most of the community supports Phraust, and likes him, and I have no problem with that. Phraust can be a very good guy. I honestly believe that he has actually talked himself into believing some of the the BS he's spouted about me.

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Now for the meat and potatoes of this post. I first heard of Phraust while reading his posts about Argus on Allakhazam. His advice there was very helpful, and a few days after I started trying my hand at Argus myself, I was shocked to see 'The' Phraust show up, and proceed to beat me to every single bat. ;) I ask him about how Argus's spawntimes work, and he kindly gives me some advice instead of telling me to get lost (Although half of it was false, which is totally understandable :)). I revise my methods, run spy/adware checks, and clean up my comp as much as possible to make it run at top speed, and I begin to be a match for P, which leads to us talking some more, and eventually me joining his LS, NMDC, and chatting with him almost every day on mIRC.

Now, setting the Argus hunt aside for a moment, one of the first requests I make of NMDC is help with Rank 5-2, since I'd been looking for an LS that does missions, and will be doing HNM's, which Phraust says NMDC does/will do. So I just let everyone know (About 4 of us on the LS often at this point), that I'm looking to do 5-2, anytime within the next month or so. Awhile later, Phraust decides he wants to get his mule to rank 5 for an airship pass. The LS (including me) pitches in to help him out with that, and a couple of days later, his level 12(?) mule is rank 5, before even having the subjob quest completed. When I mention 5-2 again, Phraust has the brilliant idea of doing 5-1 with his mule first, and then me and his mule can do 5-2 at the same time! One problem... Phraust on his main character is one of only two people on the linkshell that would be able to actually help with the 5-2 fight. So, knowing that 5-2 isn't going to be happening with the LS's help, I find a pickup alliance to do it, and promise P that I'll help him with 5-1 and 5-2 when he needs me to in the future. (And although I wasn't around when he did 5-1, I did end up helping him with 5-2)

A similar thing happens when I need help with AF, after helping another LS mate with theirs myself, where in the end I just got outside help. A short time later, Phraust has the nerve to complain to me that no one in the LS (Which by this point in time has now grown a bit) helps him with anything. (Keep in mind that this is awhile after I joined, so it's not like I'm still new to the LS, and asking for help left, right and center.)

Meanwhile, starting around the time I first got comfortable with the LS, and felt accepted, Phraust, Ezikiel, and I talked on mIRC about plans for the LS, and while me and Ezi gave input, Phraust brushed it all aside, and worked on his own ideas, one being a rank system for the LS, which is quite a good idea I think, and the other being Monday's, "Help Everyone but Eachother Night". Don't get me wrong, a help night is a nice idea, but I think members of the LS should be given the priority.

After instituting the rank system, Phraust, for some reason unknown to me, puts a brand new member to the LS that he had just met a couple days before at a higher rank than me and Ezikiel, who had stuck with him from the moment the LS started to grow, and helped him out with it wherever possible. I can't help but feel that that was somehow a jab at us for some reason I cannot fathom. Fortunately the tension there didn't last long, because me and the new recruit became good friends. I might add that Phraust started taking jabs at the new recruit/high rank officer whenever possible, and wondered why she didn't like doing things with us. She recently left the LS.

Now that a little bit of the background history about the tension growing between me and Phraust is out of the way, back to the Argus hunt, which was still going on while all this was happening. At that point in time, Phraust had bought all the gear he needed for a couple jobs to 75, and was left with 3mil. We decided to team up, and work out a deal that our first PCC he'd get to wear, and pay me the 3mil for it, and then we would get another, sell it, and him get 3mil from it. (The following PCC sale was 10mil, and climbing). I was slowly starting to feel iffy about this deal, because doing my schooling from home through correspondance, and having two computers, I'm able to keep an eye on Argus and camp him on and off all day, while Phraust is at work. Phraust was also going to bed earlier than me at this point in time. Ontop of that, I was mostly able to outvoke him back then, although later either his voke sped up or mine slowed down, and we were about 50/50. I felt that I was putting forth about 75% of the effort or more, and arrange a deal with him that if I get the PCC while he's not camping, or vice versa, whoever gets it keeps it. I believe this created more hostility towards me, but I also believe it was very fair. Friends of mine were telling me I was stupid for accepting any deal in the first place. We finally got a drop 3 or 4 claims later and I held to the deal, and gave him a PCC for 3mil. He tells me that he'll hold to his end of the deal, and help me get another, and let me have it for 3mil.

Now, he continues to help me camp for a couple weeks longer, and then after months and months of camping Argus, suddenly disappears from the Argus scene, not to be seen at the camp again until months later. I continue on camping Argus myself, and don't say anything to Phraust about this, which I probably should have. A little while later, I get another Argus claim, and a Peacock Charm... while another friend that was hardup for cash was camping with me. Earlier I had promised said friend that I would get him a SH when we got the PCC, which at the point in time of the promise had been at its lowest price ever due to the Venemous Claw BCNM. In the excitement of getting the PCC, when Phraust asks for some of the gil (Immediately after hearing I got the PCC) since he had been camping with me for a couple of weeks, I tell him I might be able to spare a mil for him, before thinking back to how he had abandoned me earlier.

To my dismay, the price had gone up on the SH, and the price had gone down on the PCC by the time I was able to sell it, and I ended up using 4mil of the 7mil PCC sale to buy my friend the SH. I talk to Phraust on mIRC, and ask him if it's ok if I just hold onto the cash from this PCC, since I was getting a lot less out of it than I was expecting. He says he understands. I don't mention the other half of the reason for me not splitting any, because as I said at the outset of this post, I wanted to avoid conflict.

Anyway, I blow through the 3mil between gear and smithing in no time flat, and am left with 200k when Phraust asks if he can borrow 30k for a little while... I say ok, and let him. I started camping VE at this point to start getting my bank account back up. A couple weeks later, knowing I've been buying stacks of DS ingots for smithing, P asks if I want to buy a stack from him, and he'll give me a deal: 170k (The stacks of ingots had been 190k-200k for awhile back then), and we'd call it even, since he'd be paying me back the 30k. I pass, since that's not really a deal, and I didn't want to pay in effect 200k for a stack of DS Ingots at that particular point in time, because I still had a few. A couple of days later, I look again, and the most recent stack of DS Ingots had been sold for 210k, so I guess in the end it would have been a deal, but then again, the seller was Phraust, and I hadn't expect him to jack the price up on me, which any crafter that's bought a lot of stacks of one ingrediant knows means it will continue to rise for a bit. When I ask P why he jacked it up on me, his only reply was "lol". Later the same day, in frustration, I finally ask when he's going to help me get a PCC and let me buy him out for 3mil. He tells me when I give him the 1mil I "promised" I would. Again, I decide to just let it go, and avoid conflict.

Now, over a month later, Phraust, knowing I'm buying adaman ores, jacks the price up on one, in a very similar way to how he did before, which causes them to continue rising. It just takes ones price being jacked up to make them all rise, which, being a high skill level in every craft, Phraust knows. An RL friend of mine new in the LS says something along the lines of "Uh oh Phraust, Tiya's pissed off at you... Jacking up adaman ores" in LS chat, while I was sitting next to her, but wasn't logged in myself. Phraust's reply is, "Your welcome lol" as if he was doing someone a favor by trying to screw me over, and then something like: "I'll get that 1mil Tiya promised me a little bit at a time if I have to." Again, I'm tempted to log on and tell him off, but, no, I avoid conflict, and start wearing the LS less and less while looking for a new one.

Interestingly enough, a few days later P gives me my 30k back... Not sure why, if he feels I truely owe him 1mil, but whatever.

Now, not really talking to him much besides a single tell here or there that I tried to be friendly in, I slowly broke away from the LS completely. A few days back, seeing me with another LS equipped he sent me a tell along the lines of "So you've given up on us?" while I was afk... when I got back I was tempted to say, "No, just you." but again, I just let it go. That was my last contact with him... but now the whole situation has been gnawing at me, and with how quickly he said in LS (when quite a few people were on) that I owe him 1mil, I'm sure he hasn't hesitated to tell anyone else. So I finally feel the need to break my silence and try to clear my name to anyone he's told that to, and anyone he tells that to in the future.

So now I've told my story of Phraust, the way only those on the inside have seen him, in the hope of clearing my name.

Phraust. I don't want you to give me a PCC for 3mil. I don't want any further contact with you at all, to tell you the truth. I just want you to stop telling people Bullshit about me owing you gil. I don't cheat people out of gil.
 
Wow...
I really can't give any input on this, as I only know Phraust a little bit.
Well, not even that much. He seems like a nice guy, but apparently looks can be decieving. Hopefully, P will post here so I can see his side of the story. =\
 
Phraust, knowing I'm buying adaman ores, jacks the price up on one, in a very similar way to how he did before, which causes them to continue rising. It just takes ones price being jacked up to make them all rise, which, being a high skill level in every craft, Phraust knows. An RL friend of mine new in the LS says something along the lines of "Uh oh Phraust, Tiya's pissed off at you... Jacking up adaman ores" in LS chat, while I was sitting next to her, but wasn't logged in myself. Phraust's reply is, "Your welcome lol" as if he was doing someone a favor by trying to screw me over, and then something like: "I'll get that 1mil Tiya promised me a little bit at a time if I have to."


Jesus christ P what the fuck?
 
And the truth...

Tiya's mostly right...

The reason I paid you back the 30,000 G loan was because it was an isolated loan that had nothing to do with anything.

Jackin gup the prices on the Darksteel Ingots was not directed at you. There were 2 stacks on sale. And I needed to make my money so I can pay you back, and make a living. So I put em up at 210,000 G because they were in short supply, and you had already said "I already have some, and don't really need any, so it's not really a deal to me.[Getting them at 170,000G]" Mind you, it took 3 days to sell and was about to fall off the AH... As far as the Adaman Ore goes, I didn't even know Tiya was playin ganymore. I rarely saw him on my F-List, and had No idea he was still crafting. The comment I made to the person living with him was actually made in good fun.. I knew Tiya was probably looking over his shoulder. And No I wasn't targeting Tiya for the Price Jack anyways... I would have held on to the Ore and sold it to him if I had seen his name in the Buyer's History. But I did not.

Frustration with the LS:
The rest of the LS goes out and helps each other and after a while being left out of most events I started to feel a little rejected. Coincedentally I was Doing the Promyvion missions and no one was willing to go, and while i was in Promyvion-Holla on 4 occasions the LS was out doing something and asked me if I wanted to go...
As far as the Higher ranking Officer of the Linkshell being introduced: They had greater Knowledge of the game than me or anyone and gave them a higher rank so that people could know to turn to them for help. They left the linkshell after I asked them why they Dicked me around in a particular incident where we completed Rank 9.1 together, and they said "Don't get rank 10 without me!" Where the very next day, they went out and got Rank 10. I told them it was fucked up for them to say that then do that...

Argus:

I did a stupid thing and sold my Peacock charm to a Friend For one reason only: THere was a Thief Knife on sale. By the time I got the money and got to the Auction house the Knife had fallen off the listing... At the time Peacock Charms were 7,000,000 G. And I explained to Tiya my stupidity. And we decided to camp the Blob for 2 more charms. One for me, and one for him. The way this works out is as follows:

We get charm #1: I buy out Tiya for 1/2 the Price, which was predetermined at 3,500,000 G.
Then I would stick around and help get Charm #2 for Tiya, where I would get my share back.

We get a charm, I buy him out, and he honored the price of 3,500,000 G even though they were going for 8,500,000 G at the time.

We start camping more and more.. My connection makes a little dip, and he starts owning me to the bats. Even so, I still ended up claiming half the Pops. Now this is where I start gettign annoyed... Tiya starts to bring his friend around to the camp. And we discussed what the split was going to be.. Tiya said that he would pay his friend out of his half.
At this time I inhearited another account from a friend that had decided to quit the game. And I did a very valuable thing to the whole operation. the one thing that was missing. Watching for Leech King.... If you know when Leech King Spawns you don't wast your time Voking all night for nothing. Tiya Said this was an Acceptable contrabution, and I started to level my Thief, while I left my other account running watching the leeches, and occasionally curing Tiya so that he didn't have ot lose time resting. All was well...

Then he gets one...
Tiya "Can I get you your share on the next one? I have to split this one with <name left out>."
Phraust "... sure I guess"
I let it go. I knew eventually Tiya would make good on his word. But occasionally I would poke at him. As we always do.

Unfortunately I am a little hazy about the 1 mil thing... I think the conversation went along the lines of that he would at least give me something for camping with him so long, as soon as his finances settled. Or he got another charm without help from anyone after the patch.. I really don't remember..

Then Tiya stopped hanging out in IRC, or In the LS...

Keep in mind during all of this... Tiya a couple other friends and I were supposed ot set up a static goup... But Tiya didn't stop leveling.. and left us all behind. By the time we all caught up, he didn't want to level... Which ended up in all of us going our separate ways...

So yeah...

There you have it.

Pretty much all my problems stem from a Certain Blob and the Greed of others... You hang out with somone for three months working on a common goal, and they bring a friend in a total of one week and suddenly that friend is more important than your own word, and your relationship with your friend...

Thank you Tiya for airing our Dirty Laundry... I wish you could have Come talk to me in private instead of hiding...
 
3.5mil, thats right... But we both knew at the time that that was definately going to be quite a bit less than half of the next sales, and the sale after we got it was 10mil, the sale before was 8.5mil, yes.

Phraust said:
Tiya starts to bring his friend around to the camp. And we discussed what the split was going to be.. Tiya said that he would pay his friend out of his half.

Exactly right, but I had told you before he started coming that he would be coming for one week, while he was off work... It wasn't like it was a regular thing. And you make it sound like you stayed at the camp with me until I got Argus again... No, thats not at all what happened. You ditched me. Also, your second comp died or something, and the whole mule thing ended even before you left the camp yourself.

Phraust said:
Tiya "Can I get you your share on the next one? I have to split this one with <name left out>."
Phraust "... sure I guess"

I never really felt you deserved your share... Getting a PCC for 7mil off was a pretty good deal if you ask me, but you're right, I did say I'd pay you out of the next one. Hoping perhaps you'd help with the next one, like you said you would.

Phraust said:
Keep in mind during all of this... Tiya a couple other friends and I were supposed ot set up a static goup... But Tiya didn't stop leveling.. and left us all behind. By the time we all caught up, he didn't want to level... Which ended up in all of us going our separate ways...

Umm... Bullshit. What level were you when I met you? 60. What level am I now? 60. I joined a static, yes, thinking that you were going to be leveling ninja for a bit, but when I realised I was wrong, I righted the wrong, and quit the static for you. Ask Tomasello, ask Ayeka, they were both in the static. When I asked you to pt for the next week or so, you always said no to me. Then I said screw it and took up smithing again. A little while later you suddenly wanted to pt, now that I was back into smithing. I passed on that. Anyone that was in the LS at that time can verify the truth of this.

Phraust said:
that friend is more important than your own word, and your relationship with your friend...

One friend was with me when I got the charm, well after you had abandoned me, and broken the deal.
 
So it all comes down to Phraust owing Tiya a PCC for 3mil? And if said deal isnt made then technically the one that Phraust owns should be sold and the money should be split with an additional 3mil going back to Phraust.
 
Say what you like. I never Abandoned you, until you broke your end of the deal. Your First Priority was to Get the 'other Peacock Charm', and Complete our deal before you started a new deal with another person. When you failed ot meet your end of the deal, even though you had said "I will pay him out of my share." I don't think I will be helping much until I am rewarded for helping in the first place...

You and I spent nearly three months straight camping that fucker. We Both took Times off. It Just happened that the One time it dropped I was not Present. I was still there during the times that it mattered. And later I was your Eyes on the leech. We Together still got 5/7 claims, and having me in the other room to witness 3 Leech king spawns and kill him once as well... I think I did you an exceptionally valuable service. It was 'my end of the deal'.

I held up my end. You did not.

As far as the static thing goes I was 59, and you were 58, we were ging to static, and you kept brining up scenarios like "Kan I Static with you but still level with other people?" To which I said: "That kinda defeats the point of a static..." And you went anyways... Got to 60... I said WTF.. and you said I was sitting on my ass.. Which was mildly ironic considering i was helping you get Argus... You asked if you should drop your static that is forming I said fuck it, do what you want..
 
frankly.. you are all rich enough if you got 1 drop from Argus ever >.> :D
 
And as far as abandoning goes...

Where are you On IRC?
Where are you In the LS?
Where are you In game?
Where were you when we Invited you to groups almost nightly?
 
decidence said:
So it all comes down to Phraust owing Tiya a PCC for 3mil? And if said deal isnt made then technically the one that Phraust owns should be sold and the money should be split with an additional 3mil going back to Phraust.

No it comes down to us, as a group aquiring 2 PCC's, and having that happen, but one person welshes on the deal.

PCC #1 goes to me, Variable worth, because I know I won't sell it.

PCC #2 goes to Tiya, my retainer on PCC #1 is reclaimed and Tiya gets to do what ever he wants with his.

So basically Tiya Gets My Half of PCC #1, and All of PCC #2, and I Get my PCC #1...
 
Elemmire said:
frankly.. you are all rich enough if you got 1 drop from Argus ever >.> :D

Aye.

But It's the Principal.
And to be honest I am more upset that Tiya Ditched me and abondoned the LS because he crapped out on a deal. I feel like I am being punished for his bad ethics... Then this post only further strengthens that Idea.
 
Wait wait wait Phraust... How long was I there with you helping you get your Peacock Charm for 3mil? How long did you stay after you got it? And how long after you left did I get it?

Did I ever bring a second character to help with the camp and watch LK? How long was my second character there compared to yours?

And who broke what deal first?

You were level 60 when I met you. Stop bullshitting, please. I was a lot less than 58 when I met you, 58 was when I joined the static, and 60 was when I quit it. I did not "Keep leveling and leave you behind". Also, I never once said you were sitting on your ass. I asked if you wanted to pt... you said I don't feel like it. Finally, the static thing happened after you left the Argus camp, so no, you weren't helping me with him.

After I quit the static I proposed a "semi-static" since we didn't have enough people for a full one, so that you, me and Tali could pt together, and rotate out the other three people.


Where am I on IRC? Why would I want to deal with your BS daily?
Where am I on the LS? I left it, like everyone else that sees through your BS is.
Where am I in game? I'm on plenty. There was about a half month to one month phase when I didn't have much playtime.
Where was I when you invited me to groups almost nightly? Smithing and wondering why you waited until I took up smithing again hardcore to finally decide you wanted to level with me.
 
One last thing...

Totally off topic.

I am really close to quitting the game because of shit like this...
Tired of getting stabbed in the back, betrayed, and then getting punnished for trusting people.

You ever wonder why I help people so much in game?
Because it's so fucking rare that somone would help me.
I don't want to be like those people.
Judge me.
Just fucking do it.
 
TiyaKelth said:
And how long after you left did I get it?

How long after you left did I get another one, I should say.


To clear up a previous point about time frames, the friend that camped with me did stay for only one week, and then came back at a later date to help me again.
 
TiyaKelth said:
Wait wait wait Phraust... How long was I there with you helping you get your Peacock Charm for 3mil? How long did you stay after you got it? And how long after you left did I get it?

Did I ever bring a second character to help with the camp and watch LK? How long was my second character there compared to yours?

And who broke what deal first?

You were level 60 when I met you. Stop bullshitting, please. I was a lot less than 58 when I met you, 58 was when I joined the static, and 60 was when I quit it. I did not "Keep leveling and leave you behind". Also, I never once said you were sitting on your ass. I asked if you wanted to pt... you said I don't feel like it. Finally, the static thing happened after you left the Argus camp, so no, you weren't helping me with him.

After I quit the static I proposed a "semi-static" since we didn't have enough people for a full one, so that you, me and Tali could pt together, and rotate out the other three people.


Where am I on IRC? Why would I want to deal with your BS daily?
Where am I on the LS? I left it, like everyone else that sees through your BS is.
Where am I in game? I'm on plenty. There was about a half month to one month phase when I didn't have much playtime.
Where was I when you invited me to groups almost nightly? Smithing and wondering why you waited until I took up smithing again hardcore to finally decide you wanted to level with me.

I wasn't level 60 because I didn't have dancing edge. It was the reason I left to go level.

You went out with us Once. as far as this 'Static' goes... then you decided to keep dodging us.

You helped me get my Peacock Charm for basically 2 weeks. Then I was there a week, with your Firend, and my Second character. Where your friend wasn't even really there most of the time.. Then I took off and went to level. But I left my Other character there so you didn't have to, which means you got to play your main character. Your second character was there but not that much. If anything it was there while you slept n the beginning until I borught mine in.
 
Guys, why is this on the boards? This has nothing to do with any of us. Something like this will end even worse than it began. I dont know either one of you that well, but the fact is, Tiya, Phraust, you should have probably settled this privately.

Dont flog the Taru.
 
Falsey said:
Guys, why is this on the boards? This has nothing to do with any of us. Something like this will end even worse than it began. I dont know either one of you that well, but the fact is, Tiya, Phraust, you should have probably settled this privately.

Dont flog the Taru.

Agreed...

Odon said:
Falsey > You

Agreed...
 
This shouldn't be on the forum
this is not clearing anyone's name, if not making it bad for the both of you.
settle this in private.
 
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