PLD job and Native provoke ability

I dont think the /drg or /war attack trait stacks with the drk one. But yeah, im starting to think there is no hope for Ruffy.
 
Yes they do get it natively, and since no other JT's stack i'm assuming that neither do those. Drg does have an Acc bonus trait though.
 
neophytal said:
interesting how a PLD thread turned into a DRK sub thread.
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what's even funnier, is how on my route to 75, every DRK i pt'd with subbed thf, and wouldn't hear of anything different cause SATA WS was so 'leet' back then. I caught a lot of shit back in the day for trying to explain why drg or sam were better, good to see the FFXI community is finally coming around.

Back on subject though, as far as PLD provoking goes. Giving paladins provoke would create too much of an imbalance (not that the game doesnt have plenty of them anyways) ANY PLD with provoke can tank, but it takes a more skilled PLD to find a good balance of hate without it. thus thinning the herd, seperating the good PLds from the great ones.
 
Ruffyreborn said:
Not trying to start flame, but I do enjoy when a topic stays spew-free, if ya know what I mean.

But, heres what I said, quoted directly:



That pretty much says I prefer to use something else as SJ in aht urghan. Nowhere have I said "DRK should go /thf" unless someone takes what I said out of context
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Saying "from my experience" doesn't make it any more right. It's just you admitting that you haven't done any testing, and you are just going to shut your eyes and pretend that the stuff that other people are saying - the right stuff - is wrong.

DA isn't the only reason that people sub war, it's also a nifty little ability that gives you 25% attack bonus 3/5 of the time.
 
Twille said:
what's even funnier, is how on my route to 75, every DRK i pt'd with subbed thf, and wouldn't hear of anything different cause SATA WS was so 'leet' back then. I caught a lot of shit back in the day for trying to explain why drg or sam were better, good to see the FFXI community is finally coming around.
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Not sure how long ago you're talking, but through the 60's on my first couple 75's drk/thf was a SC closer if you had no thf main or other /thf in the party. Drk was better as /war (better ws opening frag with gui than closing with vorpral), but if no other melee had /thf then a drk would be asked to sub thf. I don't remember drk/thf being the standard for exp, ever.
 
dedalius said:
Saying "from my experience" doesn't make it any more right. It's just you admitting that you haven't done any testing, and you are just going to shut your eyes and pretend that the stuff that other people are saying - the right stuff - is wrong.

DA isn't the only reason that people sub war, it's also a nifty little ability that gives you 25% attack bonus 3/5 of the time.
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youre contradicting yourself with what I said...

"From my experience" and "admitted I havent dont any testing"

lol. I give up on this, with everyone trying to be elitists. Theres just no use. Using /thf in an exp pt has NO detrimental effects, at all/ I HAVE used /war on a lot of occasions, and once I see that the mobs Im fighting need a diff SJ, I change. The fights are much faster, and exp will jump from 6-7k/hr to 8-10k/hr.

I dont need to even try and explain anything, and I am not blind. I did my testing, yeah without parser, but I can just look at my merit points to see what Im earning, time-wise.

Damn, its like Im being an INTERN while playing FFXI. Since when was this game a job??
 
Ruffyreborn said:
youre contradicting yourself with what I said...

"From my experience" and "admitted I havent dont any testing"
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Not really. Just because you have experience doesn't mean you have tested it. Especially when you are just looking at numbers. I would think THF was better to if i just looked at WS damage.


Ruffyreborn said:
Using /thf in an exp pt has NO detrimental effects, at all/ I
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We aren't saying that it does have any. A solid 1.2k spinning slash is really good every 30 seconds. What we are saying is that there are so many other better sj's that THF shouldn't even be on the radar, because it can't keep up.

Ruffyreborn said:
Damn, its like Im being an INTERN while playing FFXI. Since when was this game a job??
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Not really much else to say here, besides cry moar. When you say things that aren't right people are going to call you out on it.
 
The thing you don't get is that it's not "elitist" to state a simple fact. It's not elitist to say a Ferrari Enzo is faster than a Ford Mustang or that a $100 bill is worth more than a $20 bill or that a monk has a higher h2h skill rating than a nin in FFXI, these are all facts not opinions. It is also a fact that drk/war will outdamage a drk/thf in an xp situation. No one has said that /thf doesn't have it's use but what many fail to realize is that that use is hate control not damage.

If you had said something along the lines of, "i prefer to sub thf for my playstyle" or "i just like it" then i'm pretty sure most wouldn't have a problem with that, everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences. Instead you try saying that it's "better" and make a fool of yourself by saying things like "double attack is worthless" or "berserk, meh i don't need that i can just use attack food."

I read your other posts and what you don't see is that what you are claiming everyone else is doing, you are the main culprit, "spewing crap" in the forums. You could have easily asked for some tips from other players as to what you could do to improve your drk instead of taking the attitude that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I'd almost guarantee your problem is you are lacking the acc to make all your Guillotine strikes land, which you could easily tell by looking at TP return after WS. That's usually the case when someones Rampage/Jin/Asuran/etc multi hit WS comes up lacking. Doesn't matter if you have +100 str if you are whiffing on your WS without the crutch of SATA. Then again, i guess i'm wasting my time because you already know all this and everything else and everyone else is just wrong/elitist/spewing crap. Continue being the guy that says Ferrari's are pieces of shit and your Mustang is the best!
 
Soujiro said:
Truth.
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Thank you, I was just about to say something along those lines.


Here's a tip Ruffy. Without a parser, anything you say can and will be turned against you. If you think your /THF is better than /WAR, parse it. Until then, well, you're still 3 years ago when people thought MNK was one of the worst DDs.
 
Soujiro said:
The thing you don't get is that it's not "elitist" to state a simple fact. It's not elitist to say a Ferrari Enzo is faster than a Ford Mustang or that a $100 bill is worth more than a $20 bill or that a monk has a higher h2h skill rating than a nin in FFXI, these are all facts not opinions. It is also a fact that drk/war will outdamage a drk/thf in an xp situation. No one has said that /thf doesn't have it's use but what many fail to realize is that that use is hate control not damage.

If you had said something along the lines of, "i prefer to sub thf for my playstyle" or "i just like it" then i'm pretty sure most wouldn't have a problem with that, everyone is entitled to their opinions and preferences. Instead you try saying that it's "better" and make a fool of yourself by saying things like "double attack is worthless" or "berserk, meh i don't need that i can just use attack food."

I read your other posts and what you don't see is that what you are claiming everyone else is doing, you are the main culprit, "spewing crap" in the forums. You could have easily asked for some tips from other players as to what you could do to improve your drk instead of taking the attitude that you are right and everyone else is wrong. I'd almost guarantee your problem is you are lacking the acc to make all your Guillotine strikes land, which you could easily tell by looking at TP return after WS. That's usually the case when someones Rampage/Jin/Asuran/etc multi hit WS comes up lacking. Doesn't matter if you have +100 str if you are whiffing on your WS without the crutch of SATA. Then again, i guess i'm wasting my time because you already know all this and everything else and everyone else is just wrong/elitist/spewing crap. Continue being the guy that says Ferrari's are pieces of shit and your Mustang is the best!
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Wins the thread.
 
Stouter said:
Not sure how long ago you're talking, but through the 60's on my first couple 75's drk/thf was a SC closer if you had no thf main or other /thf in the party. Drk was better as /war (better ws opening frag with gui than closing with vorpral), but if no other melee had /thf then a drk would be asked to sub thf. I don't remember drk/thf being the standard for exp, ever.
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I'm talking about a year and a half ago, maybe even more. there isnt a single DRK i can remember PT'n with from 50-70 that didnt sub THF. They were all OOOOOOO look at my SATA+WS damage, woot! and i was like...look, i'm a gimp PLD landing standard attacks for more damage than you....
maybe i just got stuck with retarded DRKs, i dont know.
 
Twille, i exp'd with you when my drk was about 64-67 a few times. I always came /war to those parties. We even exp'd once in Dragon's Aery, i remember that time because i recall you said something along the lines of "i dont wanna exp there cause theres a dragon that might pop and rape us" Lol, like faf would really pop and there wouldnt be 50+ people already in zone.
 
Twille said:
I'm talking about a year and a half ago, maybe even more. there isnt a single DRK i can remember PT'n with from 50-70 that didnt sub THF. They were all OOOOOOO look at my SATA+WS damage, woot! and i was like...look, i'm a gimp PLD landing standard attacks for more damage than you....
maybe i just got stuck with retarded DRKs, i dont know.
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Yeah, I'm talking the middle of the year after the NA release, 2004 maybe? /thf was a skillchain closer only, I rarely saw drk sub thf except when asked to.
 
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