pld main hate ?

[Passions]

Just curious about what lvl pld becomes a steady main focus tank for xping. I mean its pretty easy to strip hate in dunes. Mines 15 atm (wOOt shield bash!) and just curious when it'll be a little easier to hold hate vs a whole party even with my 4/4 enm merrits.

 

[Jakey]

you are main tank after lvl 10 and provoke but you wont have really strong hate until after flash. curing your self and others well using voke should be enough to keep hate for now but you might be having mp problems depending on the PT and camp.

 

[jamal]

you are main tank after lvl 10 and provoke but you wont have really strong hate until after flash. curing your self and others well using voke should be enough to keep hate for now but you might be having mp problems depending on the PT and camp.

Considering you can do nearly equivalent damage to everyone else early in the game, it makes up for not having Flash.

 

[Rappa]

Enmity+ gear is nice at that level. There's that mask I can't remember the name of and also the Dash Sash if you happen to have gotten that way back in the day.

 

[shmedly]

With your MP pool you'll be just fine. I carried a healthy supply of pineapple juice all the way until 50's, just in case no refresh was available. I'd usually carry 4 stacks of pineapples and 2 stacks of crystals.

Through the dunes and jungles it's easy money holding hate. When you get to CN it starts to get harder but that's when you'll get flash and you'll have sentinel and auto refresh by then too. Just make sure you have a good hate routine and it'll be clear sailing. Also with 4 +ENM merits you shouldn't have a problem at all.

My normal routine @63 is voke, take a couple hits, flash, big cure, voke, take a couple hits, maybe a cure, then one of my JA's or a flash, then ride out the fight. This has to be adjusted per mob type and how fast they are getting killed but it works well for my base.

Peace,
Shmed

 

[shmedly]

Enmity+ gear is nice at that level. There's that mask I can't remember the name of and also the Dash Sash if you happen to have gotten that way back in the day.

Level 1 Cache Nez is the head piece. Also there is the pumpkin head LOL.

Peace,
Shmed

 

[Passions]

Considering you can do nearly equivalent damage to everyone else early in the game, it makes up for not having Flash.

I almost tend to disagree with this, my mnk and drk seemed to do a lot more damage than my pld's doing. I mean 11 damage fast blades isn't exactly hawt :/ then I don't see how a sword ws can keep up with the 100-200 sturmwinds drk did past 24.

Also it probably doesn't help having other melee mashing there voke macro on me. So flash added to the picture basically makes you like a nin/drk with provoke too? Meh at least that's when I plan on really playing for real as a pld/whm combo of my characters.

Thanks for the info, any extra is welcome as well.

 

[Passions]

Nope don't have access to any +enm gear just my merrits. I was just curious about this cause it always seems like hates being taken from me in the dunes to other dd's.


And shm, you mean I can't burn all my ja's on 1 mob? lol j/king

 

[jamal]

I almost tend to disagree with this, my mnk and drk seemed to do a lot more damage than my pld's doing. I mean 11 damage fast blades isn't exactly hawt :/ then I don't see how a sword ws can keep up with the 100-200 sturmwinds drk did past 24.

Also it probably doesn't help having other melee mashing there voke macro on me. So flash added to the picture basically makes you like a nin/drk with provoke too? Meh at least that's when I plan on really playing for real as a pld/whm combo of my characters.

Thanks for the info, any extra is welcome as well.

Pre-20 your ws's do equivalent damage to any jobs. Pre-50 your melee hits, although not as often, will still do consistant damage. At 50 you gain Defender, which should be kept on at all times. This reduces your dmg done, making melee strikes tougher to keep a mobs attention, and reducing ws damage further.
Darks 'should' not ws more often than you early on. There ws's will be more damage, but you will be accumulating tp from getting hit and hitting. Before 33 when melee have access to a real acc weapon, the amount of hits landed will remain consistant.

 

[shmedly]

I almost tend to disagree with this, my mnk and drk seemed to do a lot more damage than my pld's doing. I mean 11 damage fast blades isn't exactly hawt :/ then I don't see how a sword ws can keep up with the 100-200 sturmwinds drk did past 24.

Also it probably doesn't help having other melee mashing there voke macro on me. So flash added to the picture basically makes you like a nin/drk with provoke too? Meh at least that's when I plan on really playing for real as a pld/whm combo of my characters.

Thanks for the info, any extra is welcome as well.

In the dunes your damage is close to equal but as you get higher in level you'll be the "weakest link" as far as dmg goes. Your cures, vokes, and dmg mitigation are what's going to hold the hate, not your dmg output. Although your dmg is important to help hold hate, it's not the main way you're holding it. Also remember curing yourself adds more hate than curing a pt member.

Peace,
Shmed

 

[Rappa]

DRKs also have ass WSes until Sturmwind, but most of them won't be using a g.axe anyway and will die when they SE->LR->WS to look awesome. But yeah, PLD melee is never really amazing, but at lower levels no one's really is. You should at least pick up a Cache Nez, they are like 5-10k and give an enmity boost and headgear sucks until the kampf set.

 

[Raesvelg]

I honestly didn't have that much problem holding hate with PLD through to about 25, where it got harder for a while, then easier again at 37.

 

[jamal]

I honestly didn't have that much problem holding hate with PLD through to about 25, where it got harder for a while, then easier again at 37.

I closed distortion for my original static...DRG > PLD SC ftw, with Crosis on the MB.

Oh how much I have learned since then.

 

[shmedly]

Pre-20 your ws's do equivalent damage to any jobs. Pre-50 your melee hits, although not as often, will still do consistant damage. At 50 you gain Defender, which should be kept on at all times. This reduces your dmg done, making melee strikes tougher to keep a mobs attention, and reducing ws damage further.
Darks 'should' not ws more often than you early on. There ws's will be more damage, but you will be accumulating tp from getting hit and hitting. Before 33 when melee have access to a real acc weapon, the amount of hits landed will remain consistant.

As far as defender goes, I used it primarily on Colibri when I couldn't eat food. Now the only time I use it is right after I serk/ws. I could probably use it more often but generally don't.

Peace,
Shmed

 

[Tristam Green]

DRKs also have ass WSes until Sturmwind, but most of them won't be using a g.axe anyway and will die when they SE->LR->WS to look awesome.

lol, right on there. Nothing pains me more than to see that :\ Sure, I do it, but never often, and I rarely ever die as a result.

But I sure as hell didn't do crap like that pre-50 :\

 

[Passions]

You should at least pick up a Cache Nez, they are like 5-10k and give an enmity boost and headgear sucks until the kampf set.

Having a friend pick me one up lil l8r today it is a good piece. Its in the 20k range but I figure it'll last me what? 14 more lvls + be a macro piece for even more so its worth it.

 

[jamal]

As far as defender goes, I used it primarily on Colibri when I couldn't eat food. Now the only time I use it is right after I serk/ws. I could probably use it more often but generally don't.

Peace,
Shmed

Race may play into the playstyle here. Being taru, you regenerate hate with cures.

I, being lolelvaan, Reduce dmg so less hate is lost overtime so not as many cures are needed.

We also didn't have colibri back in the day, so...around 60 we were fighting greater birds in VoS...defender was definately needed there.

edited for Passions last comment:

Having a friend pick me one up lil l8r today it is a good piece. Its in the 20k range but I figure it'll last me what? 14 more lvls + be a macro piece for even more so its worth it.

Just realize since you're talking about macroing in enmity, that enmity affects hate loss over time, so by macroing it in on Provokes, you're not doing much.
-enmity makes hate reduce quicker...like when a BLM overnukes, the mob starts heading towards him than turns back
+enmity makes hate reduce slower...which is why Spirits Within is so effective, the ws damage from the PLD wearing enmity+ gear lasts and lasts, allowing for a stable hate hold.

But I know this has been heavily debated, so take it how you will.

 

[shmedly]

Race may play into the playstyle here. Being taru, you regenerate hate with cures.

I, being lolelvaan, Reduce dmg so less hate is lost overtime so not as many cures are needed.

We also didn't have colibri back in the day, so...around 60 we were fighting greater birds in VoS...defender was definately needed there.

Elvaan have a definite advantage when it comes to that JA. I think your hits don't get affected as much because of the strength of your race. Taru on the other hand are the weakest of the races so we already hit for shit lol.

I might try it in my next pt and see how it goes. The less damage may be a good thing if no refresher is around. With a refresher I can go for hours on my manapool.

Peace,
Shmed

 

[Rappa]

Yeah, I wouldn't bother keeping cache after you can get kampf set. If you had a dash sash I would've suggested wearing it full-time until Tilt Belt but since you don't I wouldn't bother with +enmity gear after lvl 30 until you start getting to things like AF.

 

[Passions]

Just realize since you're talking about macroing in enmity, that enmity affects hate loss over time, so by macroing it in on Provokes, you're not doing much.
-enmity makes hate reduce quicker...like when a BLM overnukes, the mob starts heading towards him than turns back
+enmity makes hate reduce slower...which is why Spirits Within is so effective, the ws damage from the PLD wearing enmity+ gear lasts and lasts, allowing for a stable hate hold.

But I know this has been heavily debated, so take it how you will.

Ill have to do some testing of this because that's not how I've always belived it to work. Not saying it isn't I can be wrong, been wrong before but at most at least ill need to research that and do some testing. Good to know I would need to test the theory though.