PLD Refresh

[Arkangel]

well i was wondering would it be an improvment on SMN if they started subing PLD at lvl 70 or is the extra def, def abilities, and double refresh not worth the minimal mp loss

 

[Direwolf]

Do the two refreshes stack?

 

[Courtney]

Auto-refresh is a job trait, the same trait on both PLD and SMN....

I don't think it would stack...

 

[Direwolf]

Clear minds stack. I think so at least... Would definetly be worth looking into.

 

[Courtney]

Clear minds stack. I think so at least... Would definetly be worth looking into.

Clear Minds don't stack.

 

[Arkangel]

Auto-refresh is a job trait, the same trait on both PLD and SMN....

I don't think it would stack...

the att bonuses from drk drg and war stack and so do def bonuses with pld and clear mind also so why not auto refresh

 

[Courtney]

I don't have any high level mellee jobs, so I can't really comment on those...

When different jobs have identical job traits (eg Magic Attack bonus, Clear Mind), you don't get the trait twice by having the two jobs as main and sub.

eg Both RDM and BLM get Magic attack traits. However, a RDM/WHM gets exactly the same bonus as a RDM/BLM. You only get the trait once.

There are different levels of some traits (again Clear mind and MagAtt traits) and each level gives you a higher bonus. Clear Mind I is still 15MP for the first tic though whether you're a RDM/WHM a RDM/BLM or a BLM/WHM.

 

[Arkangel]

I don't have any high level mellee jobs, so I can't really comment on those...

When different jobs have identical job traits (eg Magic Attack bonus, Clear Mind), you don't get the trait twice by having the two jobs as main and sub.

eg Both RDM and BLM get Magic attack traits. However, a RDM/WHM gets exactly the same bonus as a RDM/BLM. You only get the trait once.

There are different levels of some traits (again Clear mind and MagAtt traits) and each level gives you a higher bonus. Clear Mind I is still 15MP for the first tic though whether you're a RDM/WHM a RDM/BLM or a BLM/WHM.

OK good to know

 

[Rones]

No identical job trait stacks, be it attack boost, auto refresh, or clear mind.

 

[Blaine]

No SINGLE job abilitys stack. as in, PLD/SMN would have Auto Refresh I and Auto Refresh I. The second one would cancel out, and become totally worthless. However, if you had, say, Clear Mind I and Clear Mind II, it would stack, and be Clear Mind I + II. You can not get a second/third/fourth/ect. job trait without having the first one first.

 

[Courtney]

No SINGLE job abilitys stack. as in, PLD/SMN would have Auto Refresh I and Auto Refresh I. The second one would cancel out, and become totally worthless. However, if you had, say, Clear Mind I and Clear Mind II, it would stack, and be Clear Mind I + II. You can not get a second/third/fourth/ect. job trait without having the first one first.

Yes, but Clear Mind I starts you healing at 15MP/tic and Clear Mind II starts you at 18MP a tic. If your main has Clear Mind II, you'll start at 18MP/tic no matter what you're sub is. Subbing a job with Clear Mind I won't change your hMP...

 

[Rones]

No SINGLE job abilitys stack. as in, PLD/SMN would have Auto Refresh I and Auto Refresh I. The second one would cancel out, and become totally worthless. However, if you had, say, Clear Mind I and Clear Mind II, it would stack, and be Clear Mind I + II. You can not get a second/third/fourth/ect. job trait without having the first one first.

That's impossible to tell either way actually. We don't know whether it is stacking or overwriting.

Such as if they stacked it could be:
clear mind1 = +3mph
Clear mind2 = +3 mph
clear mind3 = +3 mph
Giving you an apparent +9mph with all three.

If they overwrote if could be:
clear1 min = +3mph
clearn mind2 = +6mph
clear mind3 = +9 mph
Giving you an apparent +9mph with all three.
numbers for example purposes only.

The thing is, you can never get the higher lvl without the lower ones. If I had to guess, I would wager it goes with the second as that would automatically handle any issues with stacking a lower clear mind from sub with your current.

 

[Dez]

Even if the two auto-refreshes stacked, it wouldn't be worth it. MP would fall, and our already weak cures would be even weaker. A good summoner will never get hit, so the extra defence is irrelevant. Subbing PLD simply isn't worth it.