POL NEWS : Accounts 4000 Banned (Feb. 21)

[Romper]

Elei I am sure well over half this site uses Windower. I am sure you have been aware of this as you are a FB mod. People say I am in a party right now and man this guy sucks. So do I think Blab should step down because of Windower? No because Windower has macros and makes the game in a windowed form. If there are other functions to this then whatever I am sure legit players who use Windower just so the can look up info that benefits everyone or just so they can go on AIM yahoo or MSN while doing gods to pass time aren't real hackers. Should Blabj step down for other hacks? Possibly but there is no substantial evidence of Blabj doing anything seriously wrong. I mean hell there have be endgame shells that got their things done because of vokebots and pos hacking.

GP: Who knows why you got banned if your slate was clean. It was a JP GM I would take it up with a rep because theres clear evidence that you should only be on a 72 hour ban if Blabj got away with a 72 hour ban if it is not going into a permanent ban.

 

[Sneakypants]

Should Blabj step down for other hacks? Possibly but there is no substantial evidence of Blabj doing anything seriously wrong. I mean hell there have be endgame shells that got their things done because of vokebots and pos hacking.

Actually no, I used pos & fleetool .exe's quite frequently, I never figured I'd get caught, and suspended for it.

Yeah.

 

[Romper]

Yeah.

Did he ever say he was using them to claim? No Blabj never did. I have known Blabj for awhile and he is a good guy. I highly doubt he would use them to actually cheat to claim Ulli or something.

 

[Skaw]

Did he ever say he was using them to claim? No Blabj never did. I have known Blabj for awhile and he is a good guy. I highly doubt he would use them to actually cheat to claim Ulli or something.

Exactly how do you claim mobs with Flee tools and Position warping? Those are three different things. While you can use them to assist claiming, they're individual cheats. Someone who position warps through boyahda to get to Aery faster is doing the same thing as someone who warps back and forth from mog house and auction house. It's doing the same exact thing.

 

[Eleibfrid]

I don't care about who uses Windower or not. I should have clarified when I made my post. I still hold the same stance.

POS Hacking, fleetooling, claimbotting, all the same thing in SE's eyes. It's wrong, all of it is.

like srsly, it's wrong k

 

[Romper]

Exactly how do you claim mobs with Flee tools and Position warping? Those are three different things. While you can use them to assist claiming, they're individual cheats.

I know that they're individual cheats, but I was saying I highly doubt Blabj would use them for helping shells get claims.

 

[Sneakypants]

Did he ever say he was using them to claim? No Blabj never did. I have known Blabj for awhile and he is a good guy. I highly doubt he would use them to actually cheat to claim Ulli or something.

What Skaw said, plus the fact that he was caught cheating. Nuff said.

 

[Romper]

What Skaw said, plus the fact that he was caught cheating. Nuff said.

You aren't giving credit to Blabj for admitting it? Hell I'm sure at one point even now you're using windower. So what he was caught cheating and so have others, but the real "villians" haven't been canned from game (read: fish botters and other botters). You wish to victimize Blabj with out sufficent evidence that he didn't do anything really wrong with them when there are others that blatently abuse the hacks for HNMs, NMs, and Ulli?

 

[Skaw]

(read: fish botters and other botters).

I'll explain something to you.

Which would you rather waste your man-hours doing. Nuking RMT Bank Characters, wiping months of work in one fell swoop. Or stomp out the worker accounts that can be rebolstered and reskilled in a matter of days?

Killing the workers is a temporary hit. Nuking Banks does permanent damage.

 

[Romper]

I'll explain something to you.

Which would you rather waste your man-hours doing. Nuking RMT Bank Characters, wiping months of work in one fell swoop. Or stomp out the worker accounts that can be rebolstered and reskilled in a matter of days?

Yet they don't die like cockroaches. So either doesn't matter.

 

[Skaw]

Yet they don't die like cockroaches. So either doesn't matter.

You're still missing the point. When banks are removed, RMT lose their pay. It can eventually lead to the "sweatshops" being closed down.

You keep the workers around to LEAD you to the banks.

 

[Eleibfrid]

Goddamnit Romper are you not getting the point or something?

None of the mods or anyone for that matter as far as I can tell is trying to victimize him. He did a good thing stating how and why he got suspended, and outing anyone who uses the excuse "I was only using windower" He did a good thing there. He did a good thing. He did a good thing. Repetition is good.

But the mod team does not condone the useage of hacks of ANY kind. We know that 95% of the users on here use Windower. I don't care if it's to run faster or to vokebot an NM. The fact that they were used is what makes it "really wrong."

I've known him for a while too, we used to be in the same linkshell over two years ago, and yeah, in general he's a good guy. I didn't quite expect him to use hacks but hey, who knows anymore?

I said my opinion that because he used something that the mod team does not approve of, and even though he's a friend and a good guy, it doesn't excuse what happened.

I'm going to sum it up for you:

-Voke botting for H/NMs + Fleetooling + Pos hacking = All the same
-Blabj *admitted* that he used hacks, with picture proof
-People have said over and over that it was good that he admitted that
-Hacking of ANY kind = wrong


Got it?

 

[Sneakypants]

You aren't giving credit to Blabj for admitting it? Hell I'm sure at one point even now you're using windower. So what he was caught cheating and so have others, but the real "villians" haven't been canned from game (read: fish botters and other botters). You wish to victimize Blabj with out sufficent evidence that he didn't do anything really wrong with them when there are others that blatently abuse the hacks for HNMs, NMs, and Ulli?

Are you planning on keeping that up?
I gave him all the "credit" he is due right here:

Agreed.
It doesn't matter that he admitted it.
It matters that he hacked, and is the type of person to hack.
He doesn't deserve to lead by example.

The only thing I disagree on is him stepping down. Take that away like you should at this point. He should already have stepped down on his own accord.

You, of all people, are sure that I am using Windower? Just no, jackass. Stop right there. I've never once cheated in this game...Including the precious lolWindower. I've only ever played on PS2 and XBOX360.

You keep saying you're so sure of things, but every time you open your mouth the only thing to come out is a load of hot dumb.

The one thing you've said that makes any sense is that there are a lot of people out there doing things that manage to escape a banning or a lol72hourslap, that should have been deleted long before this recent announcement.

I don't wish to victimize Blab, so much as I would like to keep honest people honest. He admitted what he did. As a mod he should have stepped down on his own accord, but he did not. He should, then, have that duty stripped. Once that happens, I couldn't care less what happens. Blab will continue to do as he pleases. SE let's him stay in Quetz after catching him for flee and pos hacking, and he is very lucky in this regard. I have no say in him remaining in Vana'diel, but I do have an opinion to express about him continuing to mod here. It's not appropriate in the slightest.

 

[Isomiau]

give him credit? congradufuckalations heres a cookie. he hacked, pos flee, means he's a Piece Of Shit like the rest of em. all a sudden, cause he's a nice guy, and such a pillar of the community that makes any form of hacking ok? and everyone "well, atleast he admitted it" Admit shit b4 while and during, not after you get caught. :banghead3: /sarcasticclap

QCDN, where hax are OK, if you're a friend...

 

[Romper]

Goddamnit Romper are you not getting the point or something?

None of the mods or anyone for that matter as far as I can tell is trying to victimize him. He did a good thing stating how and why he got suspended, and outing anyone who uses the excuse "I was only using windower" He did a good thing there. He did a good thing. He did a good thing. Repetition is good.

But the mod team does not condone the useage of hacks of ANY kind. We know that 95% of the users on here use Windower, that in and of itself doesn't really qualify as a hack. I don't care if it's to run faster or to vokebot an NM. The fact that they were used is what makes it "really wrong."

I've known him for a while too, we used to be in the same linkshell over two years ago, and yeah, in general he's a good guy. I didn't quite expect him to use hacks but hey, who knows anymore?

I said my opinion that because he used something that the mod team does not approve of, and even though he's a friend and a good guy, it doesn't excuse what happened.

I'm going to sum it up for you:

-Voke botting for H/NMs + Fleetooling + Pos hacking = All the same
-Blabj *admitted* that he used hacks, with picture proof
-People have said over and over that it was good that he admitted that
-Hacking of ANY kind = wrong


Got it?

So then by what you're saying, because Square Enix says windower is a third party tool (hack), is only the only ok hack? If Blabj said he was suspended for just windower would you have even thought to say for him to step down as a mod?

To Skaw: SE doesn't do IP bans they do key locks. As in the codes you enter for FFXI are banned and thats why people are able to come back if they were banned, and can still come back even after the second banning if SE did not realize to ban their IP. Lets take one "sweatshop" for example just banning the main bank character wont do anything because you can designate another person to be bank and just start over again because remember China is communist and most Chinesse are below 25 cents an hour. So they could just play FFXI 24/7 and swap out people when needed so another player can sleep and eat. Just banning one doesn't do crap when theres many other people there that could fill that roll and start all over because selling gil to IGE or some other site for real US dollars. They then take that US dollar and convert the money over into Yens, and I shouldn't need to explain further as you are an educated person. So just keyblocking that one bank doesn't do anything, but lose that gil from doing whatever they did which they could gain back in how long because they have a vast quantity of people to play.

 

[Sneakypants]

BTW - I am curious to know what kind of policy his LS might have about retaining such a member, knowing full well about this.

 

[Eleibfrid]

If Blabj said he was suspended for just windower would you have even thought to say for him to step down as a mod?

The only reason I'd admit to this, is because it pisses me right off when people say they got banned because of the windower. If I'd have gotten suspended because of the windower, my friend's account (Curjos, who is otherwise completely legit in SE's eyes) would have been suspended too.

No one is suspended for *just* windower. Try again.

 

[meeze]

give him credit? congradufuckalations heres a cookie. he hacked, pos flee, means he's a Piece Of Shit like the rest of em. all a sudden, cause he's a nice guy, and such a pillar of the community that makes any form of hacking ok? and everyone "well, atleast he admitted it" Admit shit b4 while and during, not after you get caught. :banghead3: /sarcasticclap

QCDN, where hax are OK, if you're a friend...

Aren't you in Antaeres, the other place where hax are ok if they are your friend.

 

[Romper]

No one is suspended for *just* windower. Try again.

So you're saying that everyone can windower and never be caught? People don't complain about Windower because it is minor. So SE over looks it and most that is given is maybe a 24 hour suspension in Mor'don Gaol. Is it bannable? Yes because it breaks ToS and falls under breaking a contract because we agreed to a contract, but there are bigger fish to fry than the tiny windower so SE over looks it for now. If SE wanted to they could ban for windower, but as I said there are bigger fish to fry.

To Sneaky: There are plenty of Linkshells the voke bot pos hack flee hack to claim HNMs. I think that is mostly an idea that can be agreed upon. Do these shells kick the people? No because they are benefiting from the persons hacking, but like I said is there any evidence showing Blabj running a program to assist in claiming a land god?

 

[Eleibfrid]

So you're saying that everyone can windower and never be caught? People don't complain about Windower because it is minor. So SE over looks it and most that is given is maybe a 24 hour suspension in Mor'don Gaol. Is it bannable? Yes because it breaks ToS and falls under breaking a contract because we agreed to a contract, but there are bigger fish to fry than the tiny windower so SE over looks it for now. If SE wanted to they could ban for windower, but as I said there are bigger fish to fry.

Do I need to say it again? Ask Blabj and let him tell you if you're not going to believe me, cause he sure as hell said it himself: No one is banned for just using Windower alone. Stop trying to add and rephrase words to your argument.