POL NEWS : Accounts 4000 Banned (Feb. 21)

[Sneakypants]

To Sneaky: There are plenty of Linkshells the voke bot pos hack flee hack to claim HNMs. I think that is mostly an idea that can be agreed upon. Do these shells kick the people? No because they are benefiting from the persons hacking, but like I said is there any evidence showing Blabj running a program to assist in claiming a land god?

Yes, there are plenty of LSes that hack.

Do they kick them? That's a good question. And that's why I specifically inquired as to what would happen there. Many times they don't get kicked. When they don't get the boot, the LS is saying, "we don't mind hacking." Hence, why I am curious to see what his LS has to say about this, considering it is not just Windower. He used some pretty bad cheats. How he used them exactly has no bearing whatsoever.

We need evidence of Blab specifically assisting in the claim of a land god, using his H4Xorz just to justify this all to you?

 

[Romper]

Do I need to say it again? Ask Blabj and let him tell you if you're not going to believe me, cause he sure as hell said it himself: No one is banned for just using Windower alone. Stop trying to add and rephrase words to your argument.

Do I need to say it again? Windower is a bannable offense because Square Enix DOES NOT ISSUE IT. If Square Enix does not ISSUE something it falls under third party tools because it is from someone outside of Square development. In a weird twist there just so happen to be a third party tool clause in Terms of Service (ToS) and to the extreme is bannable. Windower can be bannable, but there are the bigger fish to fry. Square Enix at one point if they want to can ban Windower users, but there goes pretty much all of the PC users and they lose out on that 12.95- how ever much full slot of characters cost. Does that sound like a wise business move? No it doesn't so they let Windower slide for now.

 

[Isomiau]

Aren't you in Antaeres, the other place where hax are ok if they are your friend.

Was, in Antares, was, left after Chasym's revealations dropped. But thanks for comin out tho. :thumbsup:

 

[Eleibfrid]

Do I need to say it again? Windower is a bannable offense because Square Enix DOES NOT ISSUE IT. If Square Enix does not ISSUE something it falls under third party tools because it is from someone outside of Square development. In a weird twist there just so happen to be a third party tool clause in Terms of Service (ToS) and to the extreme is bannable. Windower can be bannable, but there are the bigger fish to fry. Square Enix at one point if they want to can ban Windower users, but there goes pretty much all of the PC users and they lose out on that 12.95- how ever much full slot of characters cost. Does that sound like a wise business move? No it doesn't so they let Windower slide for now.

If you do not say that you use a windower, you will not get caught. If you go out and say "Hey I'm using a windower!", yeah, they're going to catch you. Otherwise, it's not detectable. The other hacks, such as what Blabj was caught using, are detectable.

What the hell are you even arguing about anymore anyway?

 

[Romper]

Yes, there are plenty of LSes that hack.

Do they kick them? That's a good question. And that's why I specifically inquired as to what would happen there. Many times they don't get kicked. When they don't get the boot, the LS is saying, "we don't mind hacking." Hence, why I am curious to see what his LS has to say about this, considering it is not just Windower. He used some pretty bad cheats. How he used them exactly has no bearing whatsoever.

We need evidence of Blab specifically assisting in the claim of a land god, using his H4Xorz just to justify this all to you?

You honestly think his shell would mind the assist in getting something, that if done legitimatly is damn near impossible to do, that drops items we all want? I would think not. In all honesty, you're assuming Blabj used flee and pos hacks to claim land gods. You are making yourself look like a bumbling twit by doing so. Would you complain if you got a rare abjuration because someone just conviently hacked to get claim?

 

[Sneakypants]

What the hell are you even arguing about anymore anyway?

srsly

 

[Sneakypants]

You honestly think his shell would mind the assist in getting something, that if done legitimatly is damn near impossible to do, that drops items we all want? I would think not. In all honesty, you're assuming Blabj used flee and pos hacks to claim land gods. You are making yourself look like a bumbling twit by doing so. Would you complain if you got a rare abjuration because someone just conviently hacked to get claim?

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Yeah, I'd have a problem with it. I don't hack or like people that do hack.

See: Previous statement about you opening your mouth and releasing loads of hot dumb. Psst. You're doing it again.

 

[Romper]

If you do not say that you use a windower, you will not get caught. If you go out and say "Hey I'm using a windower!", yeah, they're going to catch you. Otherwise, it's not detectable. The other hacks, such as what Blabj was caught using, are detectable.

What the hell are you even arguing about anymore anyway?

It isn't detectable? What kind of ignorant statement is that? Chasym, the hack god of Quetzalcoatl, has said Windower is detectable. It is detectable because the function of windower is to alter the game from Square Enix's only full screen mode to a windowed version so you can have something like Internet explorer up. Are you in denial about Windower use? The only reason SE wouldn't ban Windower only users is because a majority of PC users use Windower. You get rid of that population you dwindle down the already declining population and they lose out on money. That is why Square Enix will not ban for Windower because that is not a logical economic move by Square because the goal of SE is to make the most money they can like any other business.

 

[Skaw]

SE doesn't do IP bans they do key locks. As in the codes you enter for FFXI are banned and thats why people are able to come back if they were banned, and can still come back even after the second banning if SE did not realize to ban their IP.

No shit.

Lets take one "sweatshop" for example just banning the main bank character wont do anything because you can designate another person to be bank and just start over again because remember China is communist and most Chinesse are below 25 cents an hour. So they could just play FFXI 24/7 and swap out people when needed so another player can sleep and eat. Just banning one doesn't do crap when theres many other people there that could fill that roll and start all over because selling gil to IGE or some other site for real US dollars.

Thats why they do not ban everyone. You ban the banks, you literally shred their money away. They cannot pull profits from nothing. If they keep changing bankers, they keep the workers around so they CAN find those ones holding all the gil.

They then take that US dollar and convert the money over into Yens, and I shouldn't need to explain further as you are an educated person. So just keyblocking that one bank doesn't do anything, but lose that gil from doing whatever they did which they could gain back in how long because they have a vast quantity of people to play.

China doesn't deal in Yen, that's Japan. China is the Yuan.

Banning the bank means that they lose entire stores of gil, resulting in huge profit losses. If a "sweatshop" isn't pulling enough profit, it gets shutdown. Theres no sense in keeping a business open if it's running you in the red. How are you completely unable to realize this?

Chasym, the hack god of Quetzalcoatl, has said Windower is detectable.

He's also a liar, and most likely a thief. But hey, if you want to believe someone like that completely, go ahead.

The difference between is it and will they is very large. Is Windower detectable? Ofcourse. Anything on a PC, running or otherwise is. Will they? No, because as of their current ToS, it is completely 100% globally illegal for them to do it.

 

[Romper]

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?

Yeah, I'd have a problem with it. I don't hack or like people that do hack.

See: Previous statement about you opening your mouth and releasing loads of hot dumb. Psst. You're doing it again.

So you would, for example, turn down a Martial Abjuration: Body because you found out the person that claimed Nidhogg used a hack to claim it? When you know in the time you are playing you will probably never see another Martial Abjuration: Body drop again and have it go to you?

 

[Eleibfrid]

It isn't detectable? What kind of ignorant statement is that? Chasym, the hack god of Quetzalcoatl, has said Windower is detectable. It is detectable because the function of windower is to alter the game from Square Enix's only full screen mode to a windowed version so you can have something like Internet explorer up. Are you in denial about Windower use? The only reason SE wouldn't ban Windower only users is because a majority of PC users use Windower. You get rid of that population you dwindle down the already declining population and they lose out on money. That is why Square Enix will not ban for Windower because that is not a logical economic move by Square because the goal of SE is to make the most money they can like any other business.

For them to be able to detect anyone using Windower, they would have to scan your PC for proof of it being used. However, since they are not allowed to scan your PC, it is not detectable.

Seriously, what the hell are you arguing about anymore?

God? Sneaky and I's brilliance is now becoming a bit of a burden. Get back to us.

 

[meeze]

So you would, for example, turn down a Martial Abjuration: Body because you found out the person that claimed Nidhogg used a hack to claim it? When you know in the time you are playing you will probably never see another Martial Abjuration: Body drop again and have it go to you?

i m gona cheet n git d abjz n b 1337 lolz.

 

[Sneakypants]

So you would, for example, turn down a Martial Abjuration: Body because you found out the person that claimed Nidhogg used a hack to claim it? When you know in the time you are playing you will probably never see another Martial Abjuration: Body drop again and have it go to you?

Another way to look at it, is that I only want things earned legitimately.
If it's M. Body or 10k manually fished up moat carps for my own handy dandy Lu Shangs, legit is the only way I am interested in obtaining anything in this game. Put in the time, get the reward. To some degree, so long as you've earned money, I do believe trading hard earned money for an item is fair as well.

However, if I found out I was amongst hackers, I would promptly disassociate.

The fact that it bewilders you says that you don't think this way. You'd take it all, cuz I mean fuck, you're holding it now, so why not?!?! Right?!?!? Right?!?!

What a fucking tool.

 

[Romper]

No shit.



Thats why they do not ban everyone. You ban the banks, you literally shred their money away. They cannot pull profits from nothing. If they keep changing bankers, they keep the workers around so they CAN find those ones holding all the gil.




China does deal in Yen, that's Japan. China is the Yuan.

Banning the bank means that they lose entire stores of gil, resulting in huge profit losses. If a "sweatshop" isn't pulling enough profit, it gets shutdown. Theres no sense in keeping a business open if it's running you in the red. How are you completely unable to realize this?

You are failing to realize that they have players to swap out. If you get rid of the bank it becomes an oh well thing, and they move on to keep what they do for an income. China right now can be comparable to the United States in the 1920s. You question me how and think I am crazy. I can justify this really easily. There are so many workers availible in China right now that if you cut off a finger and are unable to do your job anymore you get filled right away with another person that can. That is what the US did in the 20s because of the surplus of workers. That concept can be applied because those "sweatshops" run 24/7 not by one player, but by multiple people taking turns playing either that one character or the multiple characters. That is an endless cycle. If you ban the bank you lose the gil on that character, but what about items on the multiple people that haven't been put onto the bank? That would be enough to put you slightly over red and keep you running until it gets back on the feet. I don't know where you got your idea of that these sweat shops are one-manned teams, but even the hated RMTs need sleep. There are videos on YouTube and these videos have even been posted on the website of what a gaming sweat shop looks like. They are always playing because they are paid to do that. If the bank gets shredded they are still botting doing their work to get paid. That is why just key locking that one account doesn't do anything because they are always doing something that is usually free except for the rod and lure. So they do nothing but gain profit still even if that one is gone because there are still 19 other people playing. They just cut that loses and keep going 24/7 that they make that gil up while making profit in a matter of a day maybe?

 

[Romper]

Another way to look at it, is that I only want things earned legitimately.
If it's M. Body or 10k manually fished up moat carps for my own handy dandy Lu Shangs, legit is the only way I am interested in obtaining anything in this game. Put in the time, get the reward. To some degree, so long as you've earned money, I do believe trading hard earned money for an item is fair as well.

However, if I found out I was amongst hackers, I would promptly disassociate.

The fact that it bewilders you says that you don't think this way. You'd take it all, cuz I mean fuck, you're holding it now, so why not?!?! Right?!?!? Right?!?!

What a fucking tool.

No I don't have an M body and I don't do land gods because I don't have the time to be camping them because they fall into JP hours. Of course I would take the M body because the only way to compete it seems for any land god now seeing as though RMT are now doing endgame stuff is to apparently voke bot to get your KB Aspid and Nidhogg because they pretty much spawn purple. I would perfer to do things the legit way if it was even possible of doing. You are the tool for not realizing that there is no way that shells that aren't RMT would be getting claim on a legitment basis.

 

[Sneakypants]

No I don't have an M body and I don't do land gods because I don't have the time to be camping them because they fall into JP hours. Of course I would take the M body because the only way to compete it seems for any land god now seeing as though RMT are now doing endgame stuff is to apparently voke bot to get your KB Aspid and Nidhogg because they pretty much spawn red. I would perfer to do things the legit way if it was even possible of doing. You are the tool for not realizing that there is no way that shells that aren't RMT would be getting claim on a legitment basis.

You mean spawn purple.

Blah blah blah...Whatever gets you an M Body I guess, toolie. lol

 

[meeze]

Of course I would take the M body because the only way to compete it seems for any land god now seeing as though RMT are now doing endgame stuff is to apparently voke bot to get your KB Aspid and Nidhogg because they pretty much spawn red. I would perfer to do things the legit way if it was even possible of doing. You are the tool for not realizing that there is no way that shells that aren't RMT would be getting claim on a legitment basis.

i'll keep laughing at the tools with mbody and ebody cause they got them cheating at a game.

I would like a crack at E. Body, but I'm not going to hang around a bunch of hackers to get it.

If you are in a position to accept a M. Body from a bot claim, you are the idiot for being involved in that type of organization to begin with.

 

[Romper]

You mean spawn purple.

Blah blah blah...Whatever gets you an M Body I guess, toolie. lol

So you'll be the only person left in 10 years that can claim a land god because you had to wait to do it legitmently? Sorry, but that would be too much time wasted. I am sure in your shell there are hackers and you have benefited from their hacking and you not knowing that hacked to get claim.

That last statement also applies to you, Meeze.

 

[Marajade]

i'll keep laughing at the tools with mbody and ebody cause they got them cheating at a game.

I laugh at the failures who blame hax on the fact that they cant claim.

 

[meeze]

I laugh at the failures who blame hax on the fact that they cant claim.

You don't have to worry about that with all that botting power in your LS.