POL NEWS :another 3,300 accounts suspended/terminated Sep. 26, 2006

Garvin said:
SE can easily detect windower if they choose to. Period. They don't bother.
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Not acording to thier current EULA they cant.
 
If they could detect windower we'd know. They can detect plugins, but I don't think they give red flags. They'd have to actually be checking you. Flee tools is just the easiest hack to enforce because it sets off certain triggers that are automatically logged.
 
Marajade said:
Not acording to thier current EULA they cant.
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That can easily be changed, but again, they have no reason to look into windower further. (Assuming they already do have absolutely no way of detecting it already.)
 
They can't detect windower because as it doesn't affect the way your client interacts with your server it would require scanning your computer to see its existance. Then it's not a question of if they're able to but legally allowed to.

Any add on programs like TP Party for example they can detect.

They also can't detect bots, by the way. The only way you can get caught is by them observing you and making a judgement call.
 
Firestreak said:
Any add on programs like TP Party for example they can detect.
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it has been stated by the makers of windower that these plugins use information that is SENT to the client.

hence, if its sent, this information is just extracted and displayed.... and *not* detectable.

if they are lying, then so be it, but, according to them, they are not detectable.
 
neophytal said:
it has been stated by the makers of windower that these plugins use information that is SENT to the client.

hence, if its sent, this information is just extracted and displayed.... and *not* detectable.

if they are lying, then so be it, but, according to them, they are not detectable.
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The maker of the windower was going to include a time stamp in your chat logs, but said that the GM's could see that if they check your chat logs, so they can detect at least one plugin but they have to be actually looking for it.
 
Bajaratt said:
The maker of the windower was going to include a time stamp in your chat logs, but said that the GM's could see that if they check your chat logs, so they can detect at least one plugin but they have to be actually looking for it.
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And even then, you'd have to give them a reason to check the chat logs. Which is really only for calls based on harassment/racist remarks.
 
Which was the distinction I was trying to make. That's why flee tool users get banned as a majority. They don't have to be looking at you specifically, triggers on the server get set off. Windower they can't detect no matter what but the plugins they can if they're looking for it.
 
Actually, TParty would be really difficult for someone to get in trouble over, as the only way they can physically prove it's used is to watch people use skillchain without communication in game.

But then again, theres always roommates who play and Ventrillo/Teamspeak.
 
Bajaratt said:
The maker of the windower was going to include a time stamp in your chat logs, but said that the GM's could see that if they check your chat logs, so they can detect at least one plugin but they have to be actually looking for it.
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that's because it added the time stamp to the chat logs :p
 
Skaw said:
Actually, TParty would be really difficult for someone to get in trouble over, as the only way they can physically prove it's used is to watch people use skillchain without communication in game.

But then again, theres always roommates who play and Ventrillo/Teamspeak.
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Or if you're a loser (ce moi) and count the other melee person's hits D:
I'm without any plug-ins.. but not really by choice.. so yeah, I'm really amazed no one has complained about be "unfairly banned" HOWEVER! Snowshow(RMT) is not on anymore :X so thats a plus
 
They missed 90% of the big gilsellers again....
 
Fuck this! I'm buyin a 360...
 
anyone notice if they got the sky sellers?
 
hellstorm said:
anyone notice if they got the sky sellers?
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Nah, chances are people are too pissed off that legitimate players who cheat were targeted rather than the illegitimate players who cheat.
 
Skaw said:
Actually, TParty would be really difficult for someone to get in trouble over, as the only way they can physically prove it's used is to watch people use skillchain without communication in game.

But then again, theres always roommates who play and Ventrillo/Teamspeak.
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No there's detectable echo type information that's sent back and forth that can be seen if a GM is ghosting you.
 
Firestreak said:
No there's detectable echo type information that's sent back and forth that can be seen if a GM is ghosting you.
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There's no echo information sent through the windower plugins. I believe you're thinking of FFXIapp, where you type /echo map on etc. to get the mini-map in the corner. Those are detectable, yes.

The Windower plugins, however, work only client-side, and display the information sent to you by the server. It doesn't send any information to the server, nor does it require the use of /echo.
 
mdkuser said:
with all the accounts they suspended so far, there are still those same fishing bots in quifim island that are pissing me. I mean you see a lv1 fisher w/o a subjob , fishing there, there is a problem. Gm wont move a finger on them this sucks. Instead of banning accounts they should make mobs there aggressives, and make Gigant Squid
mor difficult to catch so that a LV1 fisher cannot get it.
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They added fishing fatigue a while back, so if you want to fish constantly you need multiple characters for fishing.

It's not overclocking that resulted in the increased movement speed, it was a screwed up computer clock (that in some cases was a side effect of overclocking)
 
hellstorm said:
anyone notice if they got the sky sellers?
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The past few weeks while being up there I have yet to run into RMT. Maybe it's because of the ban or I'm just oblvious... hehehe

I'm not complaining btw.. more Ulli for all!!! bwhahahaha

speaking of which... *gets up on a soap box* n.n I claimed him for my first time ever early this morning after 12 hour window. Big step for Reya! First NM claimed by me n.nv only took me 2 years ;)
 
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