Poll-----

[random hero]

give her account back to her...plz...before i kill your family

 

[Mokk]

DERAIL

Random is officially my internet-hero for the week.

 

[Kyp]

give her account back to her...plz...before i kill your family

LOL!

 

[Kagome]

All right, lets get this clear.. I hav done nothing back with your account i.m.o trying to give it a bad rep etc. I have been very nice and those ppl who voted no on giving it back, Do know i am a very nice person willing to help alot of ppl. They don't want you to sell it to a asshat who's not gonna do the same imo being a ass etc.

Alot of ppl who i hav met threw this account for one
1. KNOW I AM A NICE PERSON
2. I AM WILLING TO HELP ANYTIME
3. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

if you think being nice/helping people is the solution to stealing..then i guess what ever makes you feel better about your self. If all the people who steal in this world would be nice to the cops..you think they will get away with it? no. when did nice people started to steal things? Also did i ever mention i'll try to sell the acc again? i've not said one word of it..you just assume i will so you can keep the account because you never had the intention of giving it back in the first place. you said i would sell it to some asshat i dont even know..so dose that mean your one of them? since i was going to sell to you and i didnt even know you? good luck to you in life kid.

 

[Biggy!]

Not exactly stealing if it was never yours, or that you put your information out there. i doubt this dude is gonna give your account back, just start over?
Don't give me the "WHY DONT YOU START OVER AND SEE HOW IT FEELS"
yea. i did, i was lvl 64 then started over and now im 70,
and i have nothing to say towards you calling the cops, right now there probably in the precinct looking at your report and laughing there fucking balls off

 

[Lokkin]

I noticed Kagome skimmed over Mokk's last few posts, which, to me, were the most intelligent of this entire thread, to reply to Kagomei's.

Nice.

 

[Moch]

i said no, he shouldn't give it back.

he should just cancel the account and let it die.

he doesnt want the account, the original owner doesnt want the account, neither of them deserve it.

if the original owner wants to play ff, he can start a new character.

either way you look at it..he dont have the right to do anything to the account. how would you like it if i took your account delete your char and let it die then ask you to start over cause you dont deserve it?? and what do you mean i dont derserve it its my char i worked for it even if i wanted to sell it thats my decision and now i really not in the mood to talk about that.

First off: you played for it, if you consider a video game work you fail at life and should go get hit by a bus.
Second: Meeze isn't dumb enough to give someone his/her(? never thoguht to ask) account info.
Third: You're absolutely dense if you think: A.) your local law enforcement agency will know let alone give a shit what you're talking about. B.) SE gives a shit what you're talking about, they're getting their money.
Fourth: You gave it up as soon as you gave out your info or decided to sell it. I s'pose if you gave up a puppy to the shelter then had a change of heart only to find it was euthanized before you returned you'd attempt to sue the pound? You might want to know something about the law before making threats with it.

This whole situation is juvenile, ignorant, and pathetic. I voted no, and i stand by it, there's enough stupid people on the server as is.

you guys obviously havent heard of the guy who's ON TRIAL for bandwidth stealing off a wireless network -.- (dunno if case is already over... havent followed up on it)

oh and account stealing, i.e. unauthorized use of an account, is a form of phishing, which is also punishable by law. WHY? because he is using the real Kagomei's credit card to enjoy an online activity.... if anyone's old enough to remember AOL 3.0 and below, and <><, u'd know what i mean.

 

[Kagome]

actually moch..his not using my CC..his using his own CC or his parent's cc...if he would of used my CC i would of got the acc back and sue him for unauthorize of use on my cc and he could of got in alot of trouble. The kid said he's gonna give it back 2 days ago...tells me his canceling payment..3 hour later i ask him again, he gos "canceling payment hold on" now its been like more than 2 day...i've been kind of spamming him on aim no answer what so ever...well read mokk's post points out alot of problem went wrong with me and this guy...

 

[Taurothar]

Actually the CC was changed when the account was taken, therefore the new guy is paying to use Kagome's char without her permission. It's like someone renting a game from blockbuster using someone elses name. Sure they're paying for it, but they might ruin the credibility of someone elses name/account.

 

[Moch]

Oh well.... for some reason AZNsUpErSaInMaN5 loooks really familiar.... lol

:twisted: i think I might know where to find this guy in RL

and Taurothar is right... it just means that he left his financial footprints in the account... if SE won't help you get the account back, i suggest you sue them... you'll win of course. SE will most likely settle out of court and pay you off with a couple million.

This case will get SE in compliance troubles lol...

 

[Fonzy]

oh and account stealing, i.e. unauthorized use of an account, is a form of phishing, which is also punishable by law. WHY? because he is using the real Kagomei's credit card to enjoy an online activity.... if anyone's old enough to remember AOL 3.0 and below, and <><, u'd know what i mean.

Wrong Moch, the reason she can't get her account back is because he changed the credit card info to his own so when she calls SE she can't give the current credit card info being used. So he is playing on his own dollar. See her earlier post for more info. I voted no, this account was not stolen, saying it is, is a fabrication. THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO THIS PERSON. Why would you ever give account information? Something cannot be stolen that is given away. Meeze and Mokk hit nail on the head. The account is unwanted by it's original owner, so why should it be returned? So she can make a buck off of it?

 

[Kagome]

did you read mokk's post moch? i cant sue them because of me trying to sell the acc befor..if anything gos wrong with my acc and it was because of me trying to sell it and lost the info i cant use that in court with them >.>;;; tho i can sue the kid for stealing and unauthorize use of my acc...but he will just use that excuse right back...

 

[Moch]

oh and account stealing, i.e. unauthorized use of an account, is a form of phishing, which is also punishable by law. WHY? because he is using the real Kagomei's credit card to enjoy an online activity.... if anyone's old enough to remember AOL 3.0 and below, and <><, u'd know what i mean.

Wrong Moch, the reason she can't get her account back is because he changed the credit card info to his own so when she calls SE she can't give the current credit card info being used. So he is playing on his own dollar. See her earlier post for more info. I voted no, this account was not stolen, saying it is, is a fabrication. THE ACCOUNT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO THIS PERSON. Why would you ever give account information? Something cannot be stolen that is given away. Meeze and Mokk hit nail on the head. The account is unwanted by it's original owner, so why should it be returned? So she can make a buck off of it?

so you're saying the ppl who "willingly" gave away their AOL password to a phisher is out of luck too because they "gave" the info away?

so your saying that if i stole your stock account and changed it to my credit card that you cant do anything about it? I'm sorry but as far as I know in the state of california, unauthorized changes in an account, whether is a credit card acct, paid email acct, etc, = identity theft.

A credit card is the property of its respective company also... u think if someone gets "access" to the account and change the address, you think the original owner cant sue?

Since this isn't on the flameboards, i'll stop here.

Person who stole this account
name: James Tang
DOB: 5/14/1991
Residence: Houston, TX

I HIGHLY suggest you give the account back intact, with nothing missing.

 

[Fonzy]

Alot of ppl who i hav met threw this account for one
1. KNOW I AM A NICE PERSON
2. I AM WILLING TO HELP ANYTIME
3. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Actually I think your scum of the earth and have serious identity problems for all the cutsey girly act stuff, but I voted no because she doesn't deserve to have it back. My wish is SE would step in, delete the character, and ban both your IP's, but I don't think that is happening. Part of being an adult is paying for our mistakes, attempting to do something blatantly wrong like selling her account should have consequences. Sounds like you are both kids that were playing a game with each other that has gone too far. I'm sure the real Kagome is a very nice young girl(or guy), but is rediculously irresponsible and nieve.

SE if your out there..... please delete this fucking account

 

[Fonzy]

so you're saying the ppl who "willingly" gave away their AOL password to a phisher is out of luck too because they "gave" the info away?

I do have to claim total ignorance in that specific case but were they attempting to resell there aol account to a third party for profit? Were they being charged for someone else using their account? were these phishers fraudulantly soliciting there accounts?

 

[Moch]

so you're saying the ppl who "willingly" gave away their AOL password to a phisher is out of luck too because they "gave" the info away?

I do have to claim total ignorance in that specific case but were they attempting to resell there aol account to a third party for profit? Were they being charged for someone else using their account? were these phishers fraudulantly soliciting there accounts?

lol its actually hard for me to argue with you since part of me agrees with most of what you have said in the thread XD

But the fact remains, the real owner of Kagomei did not authorize the payment changes on the account.

 

[Kagome]

if you think the guy is nice..guess again, he sent/deleted/used all my item i've got 0 item left on my char now except 2 link pearl, if anyone is from houston TX please contact me via aim loveablecadyz or pm me here =) thankyou

 

[Rones]

Ouch, blank character is harsh. Lvls are nice, but the gear and money you earn is 4/5s of the time investment in this game.

 

[Chemical_Penguin]

Oh wow, I'm from Houston, TX.

However I live in Bryan, TX now for college

 

[Mokk]

so you're saying the ppl who "willingly" gave away their AOL password to a phisher is out of luck too because they "gave" the info away?

I do have to claim total ignorance in that specific case but were they attempting to resell there aol account to a third party for profit? Were they being charged for someone else using their account? were these phishers fraudulantly soliciting there accounts?

lol its actually hard for me to argue with you since part of me agrees with most of what you have said in the thread XD

But the fact remains, the real owner of Kagomei did not authorize the payment changes on the account.

Moch i love you to death but the UA states explicitly that anything attached to an account is the SOLE property of SEI, including account payment information for use as SEI sees fit (i.e. mailing lists, special offers, etc.). So while you are correct you are also incorrect, since the only changed on the account was the payment information which has no direct effect on SEI nor the CC company of the original end user, making it a completely legal illegal breach of contract in the state of california since there is ABSOLUTELY no trail of end users save what SEI will provide, and my guess is they don't care to go looking it is non-prosecutory due to lack of imperical evidence. As i stated previously this matter would get laughed out of court, no lawyer would take it as any evidence would be on the part of SEI to provide since they hold all the records and the thief vs end user arguments are simply hearsay, hence inadmissable in court. The article i highlighted in the UA aslo states under no uncertain circumstances should they be expected to go to court over a user dispute which is what this is at base. The most they'll do is "look it in to it" (secret CSR term for write down some stuff to lose off yer desk later), maybe ban the account, or (and this is the 95% bet here) not give a flying crap and let it go on as it is since all they're worried about in the end is staying in the black by whatever means neccessary. I'm not positive on the particulars of the AOL case but i'd imagine the blanket statement and user agreement is a bit different for AOL than it is for any MMO in particular let alone FF since MMO's are not under the same contracual obligations as ISPs making the suit at least triable i'd assume.