POLNews - GM Policy (12th December)*Update* - continued from the other thread

Tomasello said:
At least you admit you know your cheating.

Yes, it is a "cheat". In the most broad, blanket sense of the term.

Do i consider it a cheat though?
Not at all.

Do i know its breaking the ToS?
Yep

If you really believe that parsing is getting someone information that you will never ever see/hear about and thats the reason you think its cheating, then your pretty dumb. Its about as simple as that.
 
Makelith said:
Yes, it is a "cheat".

Whether you or anyone else loses sleep over it is a whole different topic. It is a cheat to say its not is untrue. A windower is also technically cheating because it violates ToS but again most people do not lose any sleep over it because they consider it unharmful.
 
So your basically arguing to argue now? Thanks Uzor.
 
Tomasello said:
You cheat, so you lose.

I don't play XI anymore there, dumbass. I simply recognize what is a break in the rules and what constitutes an actual cheat. I never once stated it wasen't a break of the rules, i never once stated that your view of it wasen't all fine and well and dandy. I simply don't agree with your simplistic views, cry me a fucking river. At least i did you the honor of actually reading that drivel you call a post. If you could say the same you wouldn't be saying much to me at all.

P.s.
enjoy all your third party information resources which are not allowed under SEs ToS and EULA and the windower they allowed for because they didn't think about it on your PS2, fucking cheater.
 
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Cussing someone out or otherwise harassing them is against the ToS. Does that mean if I drop an F-Bomb, I'm cheating?

You can't relate an infraction to the ToS to cheating, unless it clearly does so. No ones dumb enough to say parsing isn't against the ToS. Virtually anything can be because of its umbrella terms.
 
Its against the ToS to afk also. So, afk=cheating?
 
RoM said:
cntrl-A, cntrl 1, alt 5. Look mommy i'm inputing. Aside from that the information is accessed realtime every fight, how do you see over all the failure in your posts? There is no difference between the parser and paying attention. There's more then a few people on the board's who could simply do the work in their head realtime, i'd wager. Just because the option is open to them not to have to doesn't make it any more detrimental to the precious rules/tos/eula. It's not as SE intended so it must be cheating, fucking college.
That's not user input. That's playing the game. It doesn't help the parser calculate in any way.

Look who's talking, where's the rebuttal? Wait i have one... YOUR MOM. See how that makes me correct? yea, me either. Oh wait .. this must be that non-standard form of arguing you were prattling on about earlier. My my, how intellectual. Well, i just feel silly now.
Yeah, because YOUR MOM is such a good argument and insult.... I can't help myself but sit in the corner and cry.

Well, I feel embarrased now.

protip: When in doubt claim intellectual superiority based on punctuation. I'm impressed you must've picked up 'trolling for dummies' and had a good read.
Well, you would know. I borrowed the book from you.

As the information has been out there since before the parser and the same results can be achieved without it you're just full of more fail.
What information? You're resorting to talking out your ass now, so I'm not sure what you mean.

I know you will, it's why you brought the subject here to the FB to give and take attention over an otherwise resolved issue and pump up that ego. My guess is you'll keep spouting the narrow minded bullshit and someone else will step up to put you in your place. You're beneath me and have been for quite some time the only amusing thing at this point is that you haven't bothered to stop and realize it. There's nothing you've said that hasen't been countered, meanwhile i'm wracking up unanswered points along with the rest of the crowd. Clearly you are superior in your lack of well rounded thought on the issue, i can live with that if you can.
I've countered everything you've said other then that hellishly long wall-of-text post that I refuse to read before work while eating breakfast. I bet you can't wait untill I respond to it, though. But don't worry. I will read it. sometime.

Until such time as any one of you clods can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the parser provides any more of an advantage than any other informational resource available to the community both in or outside of game (the latter being nothing but third party, good luck) you are useless to your cause.
Yeah... because arguing that parser is a cheat makes me useless. Allow me to /wrist myself.

The ends are all that matters if they are all equal, which in this instance they are, the means are just discourse for semantics.

You and yours have been owned at every turn of the conversation proving either that you're wrong or stupid. At the very least you have a child's understand of what constitutes cheating on a moral basis. You can make the call on that, it's not my place really.

Edit: Edited poorly for grammar, god knows we can't have bad grammar on the internet.
You've been proved you're wrong and stupid. Wow, welcome to retardstreet. Your house is just down the road.

Skaw said:
Once again, Uzor replies without reading everything, as always.

This is what was posted in Hellstorms post:



And I was posting to tell him he was wrong, like he always is.

In addition: You're so far off the base of your arguement against Parser, you might as well quit now and try again next time, buddy.
... wow. You're either extremely stupid, or you work really hard on missinterpreting Hellstorm. Let me quote

A good example of this is goblin drinks. The recipe been out since the cop expansion was release but was only discovered 2-3 months ago. People have tried many things to pop the goblin wolfman. If it could be datamined it would have been found long ago. Even more so not even the parade gorget has shown up till it was discovered 2-3 months ago. Only thing they knew by the datamined was that goblin wolfman spawn in oldton movalpolos.
Unless you completely missed that part, I can't even begin to understand how you even managed to missinterpret him.

BTW, I had written a longer post, but I accidentally lost it... and now I have to leave for work, so I'll have to respond to your dumb arguments later.
 
Skaw said:
Cussing someone out or otherwise harassing them is against the ToS. Does that mean if I drop an F-Bomb, I'm cheating?

Obviously, the ToS deals with more then just the use of unauthorized 3rd party programs. It also deals as you said with Harassment, Code of Conduct, etc etc. The part your violating, which gives you an "advantage" is called cheating.

Dropping a F-Bomb on someone is called "being a douchebag". This is also a violation of a different nature.

Splitting hairs is not making you guys any more justified in your 3rd praty program use. Parse away to your hearts content.
 
Splitting the hair saying that parsing is cheating is just as bad as us splitting hairs that any ToS break is a cheat. It doesn't give an advantage that everyone else can't get. Your basically saying analyzing information is cheating in FFXI.
 
Excuse me while I step in for a second...need to know so I can watch this back and forth without any lingering questions in my mind.....

What the hell is an F-Bomb? Fuck Bomb or Fart Bomb are all that pops in my mind...could someone elaborate? Thanks!
 
sirivalin said:
Excuse me while I step in for a second...need to know so I can watch this back and forth without any lingering questions in my mind.....

What the hell is an F-Bomb? Fuck Bomb or Fart Bomb are all that pops in my mind...could someone elaborate? Thanks!
F-bomb is basically the word fuck in any form.
 
Here we go again. Last time, you're boring. Same dumbass shit on every page.

Uzor said:
That's not user input. That's playing the game. It doesn't help the parser calculate in any way.

Without said input the parser does not calculate. The parser provides no more information than is available in the combat log. Fail.

Yeah, because YOUR MOM is such a good argument and insult.... I can't help myself but sit in the corner and cry.

Well, I feel embarrased now.

Here wait: are you retarded? It seem you are from your posts.

That works just fine right? I don't know how i made the mistake of thinking you were pulling a pussy move by hiding behind a jab because you couldn't retort to what was said.

You're so good at catching jokes especially when they're a direct result of you being a fucking moron. So childlike .. i digress. I'll leave this alone as it blatantly shows what a dumbass you are. Read moar.

Well, you would know. I borrowed the book from you.

Borrowed shit, i wrote that fucker.

What information? You're resorting to talking out your ass now, so I'm not sure what you mean.

Any information concerning the numbers of gear pre-parser that were out in the community. Read moar.

I've countered everything you've said other then that hellishly long wall-of-text post that I refuse to read before work while eating breakfast. I bet you can't wait untill I respond to it, though. But don't worry. I will read it. sometime.

Actually in the last 4 pages you've countered nothing and only managed to smear your sore vagina all over your posts. Read moar.

Yeah... because arguing that parser is a cheat makes me useless. Allow me to /wrist myself.

No because YOU arguing the point makes the cause useless. In short you do your argument no justice because you lack the skill required to make a valid point. All of you on this issue have cracked. When you have to result to well ... you. The cause is doomed. When it comes down to /whine, /cry, /playgroundinsults your cause is doomed. Seriously you're using forum material that's just shy of older than dirt as you "nonstandard arguing style" (lol). Where'd that shit go anyway? few pages ago you thought you were hot shit.. Jesus christ the only person on your end of the stick who's made a REMOTELY cohesive argument was Lavi. Given the sample provided the brain collective that is my/our opposition is laughable at best which does nothing to help your cause. Read moar.

You've been proved you're wrong and stupid. Wow, welcome to retardstreet. Your house is just down the road.

Unfortunately this is simply your personal little thought. And i assume little because nothing big's come out of that mind in quite some time, as is obvious by your posts. There's nothing non-standard about your arguments. You're just whinning little kid who needs the attention to survive and can't admit when he's been bested. Welcome to being a pussy, enjoy your lot in life.

As stated. You can't make the points because you can't handle your logic being turned around back at you. Your methods moral, argumentative, or otherwise simply do not work when put to the test as has been shown in this thread. You can't retort, you can't make examples, you can't manage a post that isn't muffled by your head being up your own ass, and your insults are about as laughable as tomasello's 80s movie references.

You're tired and your style is old news. Come back when you've got a valid point to make and some new material. While you're at it get your reading comprehension skills tested, it would appear you're pushing a 4th grade level and that's being generous. Simply put i think this conversation's over your head little boy best leave shit like this to grownups who have a handle on the rights and wrongs of the world. You go back to eating paint chips, it's what your good at, apparently.

You wanted to have an argument. You lost. You wanted to insult. You lost. You lose, it's what experience can show us that you do more often than not. Search functions are fun. But again i digress, let's not go dragging the past in to it. Afterall you're still a dumbass in the here and now, let's start fresh.

This is what happens on the FB whereas i am involved (statistically speaking unless i happened to be the one who started the topic in which case i get rocked, usually). Get a fucking helmet. You're typing out of desperation and it shows. If this thread represents the best you've got i feel comfortable assigning you the same post designations as blazn and hell. Usually too ignorant to respond too and entirely too easy to break.

/yawn

Next.
 
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Is this still a debate or is this now a cock measuring contest?
 
Kotsu said:
Is this still a debate or is this now a cock measuring contest?

Cock measuring from here on out, baby.

It's been a tiny penis party from post one tho, make no mistake.
 
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RoM said:
It's been a tiny penis party from post one tho, make no mistake.


I noticed that; that's why I posted. :wacko:
 
Uzor said:
Unless you completely missed that part, I can't even begin to understand how you even managed to missinterpret him.

Did you not read the underlined sentence? The douche said that the Prade Gorget wasn't added until after the recipe for the Drink was found either, and that the only thing datamined was the mob name "Goblin Wolfman," when infact the Gorget was datamined and added to Somepage July of 2005. He was clearly wrong, unless I somehow have all my calendars and clocks wrong, and this is only October of 2005.
 
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RoM said:
The parser provides no more information than is available in the combat log.
This actually sums everything I've even said better than I could. Thanks.
Uzor, read this sentence a few times.
Then read it again.
And again, until you can understand this simple point, the entire reason that everything you've said is, simply put, wrong.
 
Garvin said:
This actually sums everything I've even said better than I could. Thanks.
Uzor, read this sentence a few times.
Then read it again.
And again, until you can understand this simple point, the entire reason that everything you've said is, simply put, wrong.

Yes, it do show things that's from the battle log. I haven't said that.

The difference is that the battle log isn't copy/pastable. The saved log IS, and that's the one parser reads in order to calculate everything yourself

And RoM, You're still a retarded jackass. I've said over and over again that you're not helping the parser calculate it when you PLAY A GAME. That's not what's the cheating part. The cheatign part is that it works like a bot and calculates everything. But you seem to be too much of an idiot to even calculate 1+1 properly, so it's understandable.

And btw, since I haven't countered any arguments for the last pages, do quote all the arguments I didn't respond to so I can respond to them then. They were most likely missed due to your constant bullshitting.

And yes Skaw, I did read the bolded part.

Hellstorm said:
more so not even the parade gorget has shown up till it was discovered 2-3 months ago


That's obvious. More so, the parade gorget hasn't even showed up (in game) untill it was discovered (the recipe wasn't discovered untill then) 2-3 months ago.

It's OK though, I wouldn't expect someone as stupid as you to understand what he ment though.

And btw, RoM. That last post of yours was hillarious. It's obvious you're getting quite frustrated.
 
Uzor said:
[/U]That's obvious. More so, the parade gorget hasn't even showed up (in game) untill it was discovered (the recipe wasn't discovered untill then) 2-3 months ago.

It's OK though, I wouldn't expect someone as stupid as you to understand what he ment though.

Except he's talking about datamining and reference pages like Somepage, not the fucking game, you illiterate retard.
 
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