POLNews - GM Policy (12th December)*Update*

[hellstorm]

I'd rather everyone have good gear than wear any shit they want and claim it's good. Since you're apparently too stupid(thanks for proving that point btw) to bother to do a search, here is the thread on hauby > osode. IT took me 10 seconds to find it, wow that sure was hard. There has been a ton of parses on the subject, you'd have to be stupid to draw a conclusion based on a single test; the fact that you're not even trying to find them doesn't mean they don't exist nor does it remove their benefit to the game. Also, don't forget this has information too.

This is all common knowledge at this point, the fact that you are too lazy/stupid to spend the few seconds it takes to find it just undermines your position.

Old news. These scrub bandwagoners need to get a parser and see how much they suck.

A gear that you would not know was better(not saying it is) and many still don't know (if it is), if there was no parser. There a deferents from gimped, normal, and elitist. You confusing normal with elitist.

Did he equip odose then lets say for hypothetical example switch the forgers for that 30 atk back piece? Or maybe gone with potent belt instead of werewolf? Also what nin would use harby? -20 eva there trying to avoid getting hit(excluding ws) in which case odose is clearly better which even that link said. Also That thread you linked most it was about brds and charm for some odd reason. Secondly most it mainly harby is better odose and that 10str dex is not as good as 5str dex and 10 acc/atk which may or may not be true, but it hell lot easier to find atk/acc items then it is to find str items. Thing like this is exactly what make parser a cheating program.

A computer application, password, or disallowed technique used to advance to a higher skill level in a computer video game.

In advantage that you did not work for or achieve, You allowing and illegal program to do all the problem solving for you thus giving you personal gain. Yet you still wrong because you did not try different setups. You can not just change the body and say ok this one has this stat so it must be better. What ironic is that this argument is alot like that of the errant vs crimson and the errant vs odose.

The reason the parser exists is so you don't have to do it by hand, period.The parser doesn't give a crap what you have on and neither did the programmer, it's simply a tool. Hate to break this to you but D&D > FFXI on mathematical complexity and it's a hell of a lot more random. The idea behind the parser is to find what works best for you with hard data to get behind it, much like you would with pen and paper on say ... D&D. It's called research (i hear an echo). Seriously, you're embrassing yourself. Just give it up, wether you agree or not is not the issue there's really no way to argue your point. What you're basicly doing is accusing people of cheating on an open book test.

What happened to not making the argument? Thought you pulled out of this a couple pages back.

D&D all the information is out there in front of you in ffxi it is not. There many hidden factors like acc. Research (don't make me laugh) no researching would be doing the test yourself not using a program or others faulty parser results to figure it out. It not a open book. I would love to see people actually try write all that information down, I really would. It not open book it never has been. Yes bit and pieces are there, but the odose vs harby argument proved it not open book. I was not going argue but you continue to deny the cold hard facts.

 

[RoM]

Guess what, the gear Hell was talking about is good gear. Just because you are above everyone else in the game and must have the best possible gear ever, doesn't mean that everyone will or can have it. Baja, you are sure 1337 because you've been playing for so long and have the means to buy your 1337n355. You do realize though that back in 2004 that gear was for the real elites, and it is still not nessasary unless you are in a party full of fuckheads. Hauby, SH, Brynie, Vermy and AJ are pieces of armor that you don't need yet are very, very nice to have. Get out of your parsed gil buying world and join the MMO that you play...oh wait this MMO is all about calling people gimp, I forgot. That's why they give you that /c function. To be honest it makes me sick, and I want to PK fools that think they know everything about a game when they tell you that the elite gear is what everyone should have. If this is your first MMO I can understand your reasons for it, you are just retarded. Do you really think though that 500,000 hauby's and SH and vermys and AJ are the answer? I don't.

Not everyone is driving a Shelby, you have to realize this and just step back from your diluted imaginary world and realize that MMOs are full of the middle class that fill up the real world. We don't need the best, the fastest or the nicest to get along. We just get along, we get the job done and we have fun doing it. Grow up and get out of your elitest mentality or go play a game where your skill is teseted instead or your gear. How bout this, add Shaunessy to your Xbox friends list and let me own you with my pistol every round. Then we can talk about 1337. Pussy.

So are you defending people who've done no research on the subject matter speaking out of turn and calling those who have/do the research cheaters or just flexing your penis to see if he'll pull out the measuring tape?

I'm so confused. ; ;

 

[hellstorm]

I'm such a dirty hacker, I use this hack to save time whenever I do a BCNM or craft for profit. It saves me so much time doing the math on paper, kekekeke ^^

least there you doing some of the work, but bet you would not be able to do it with that calulator.

 

[RoM]

D&D all the information is out there in front of you in ffxi it is not. There many hidden factors like acc. Research (don't make me laugh) no researching would be doing the test yourself not using a program or others faulty parser results to figure it out. It not a open book. I would love to see people actually try write all that information down, I really would. It not open book it never has been. Yes bit and pieces are there, but the odose vs harby argument proved it not open book. I was not going argue but you continue to deny the cold hard facts.

All the information hits the screen, it'd be real easy to work backwards for anyone with even half assed mathematics skill. It is open book. It's a computer program. It's a series of number generators with no missing digits between you and an answer. You continue on as if you're making some kind of sense but you're really just showing how inept you are at grasping the simplest of concepts about computer gaming in general. Fuck the osode and the hauby for a minute and actually use some time to go read how the fuck these games work before speaking like you have half a clue. Until such time everyone's simply going to remind you of how ridiculous you sound with your 'cold hard facts' which is nothing more then conjectured spew from someone who doesn't know any better and isn't willing to go find the answers for themselves.

There's not much more sense to be made here, garvin hit the nail right on the head. The only reason you keep going on and on and on is because you either don't or refuse to understand how simple of an issue this is. You're wrong, get a helmet.

 

[RoM]

least there you doing some of the work, but bet you would not be able to do it with that calulator.

right.. the program wrote itself, brilliant.

Edit: The defense rests and puts any more techincally sensative (read:simple math) information on people who know entirely too much about this game ... skaw comes to mind.

 

[Tim Wakefield]

All the information hits the screen, it'd be real easy to work backwards for anyone with even half assed mathematics skill. It is open book. It's a computer program. It's a series of number generators with no missing digits between you and an answer. You continue on as if you're making some kind of sense but you're really just showing how inept you are at grasping the simplest of concepts about computer gaming in general. Fuck the osode and the hauby for a minute and actually use some time to go read how the fuck these games work before speaking like you have half a clue. Until such time everyone's simply going to remind you of how ridiculous you sound with your 'cold hard facts' which is nothing more then conjectured spew from someone who doesn't know any better and isn't willing to go find the answers for themselves.

There's not much more sense to be made here, garvin hit the nail right on the head. The only reason you keep going on and on and on is because you either don't or refuse to understand how simple of an issue this is. You're wrong, get a helmet.

I lol'd again. Youre on a roll tonight bro!

P.S. Own't

 

[hellstorm]

So are you defending people who've done no research on the subject matter speaking out of turn and calling those who have/do the research cheaters or just flexing your penis to see if he'll pull out the measuring tape?

I'm so confused. ; ;

no he saying you elitist need get off your high horses. I'm on the other had accusing you making no research because A) you didn't do it your self B) you did not try all different scenario and setup.
I'm accusing your kind of doing almost just as much dmg to the game as gil buyers, maybe more. I'm accusing you of being a elitist (well not you you just a jackal hindering the disscusion)

 

[RoM]

no he saying you elitist need get off your high horses. I'm on the other had accusing you making no research because A) you didn't do it your self B) you did not try all different scenario and setup.
I'm accusing your kind of doing almost just as much dmg to the game as gil buyers, maybe more. I'm accusing you of being a elitist (well not you you just a jackal hindering the disscusion)

You said not but a few posts ago the parser was cheating and gives an unfair advantage and have still yet to provide any kind of substantial reasoning behind the statement. Using the parser is not elitist, it's smart. Nowhere have i read anyone who doesn't use it is a gimp and will not be tolerated by any of the posters. The facts you keep arguing about go against you. Yes, it's your $13 and you should have a blast with it. Do whatever you want except speak about the effectiveness of gear that's been mathematically tested to be superior in any number of given situations.

Personally i used to love to sub drg on my mnk so i could hop around, it brought me joy. I wouldn't argue with the dmg numbers were they presented to me which showed incontrivertably that it was a bad choice in an xp group. You would, this is what i don't understand. You even go on to claim the parser is faulty in it's math again providing no evidence. What's the point with the half-assed statements and blatant lack of understanding if you're not trying to learn something?

P.S.
No one's a trail blazer on a MMO that's been around for a year or better, it doesn't happen.

 

[Tim Wakefield]

no he saying you elitist need get off your high horses. I'm on the other had accusing you making no research because A) you didn't do it your self B) you did not try all different scenario and setup.
I'm accusing your kind of doing almost just as much dmg to the game as gil buyers, maybe more. I'm accusing you of being a elitist (well not you you just a jackal hindering the disscusion)

Well...as i see it there are 2 different types of elitests.

Elitests that want to be the best, and have the best gear, for their own personal satisfaction.
Elitests that want to have the best stuff and parses, to rub it in your face.

I always try and have the best gear available at my level, unless its under extreme circumstances (I.E. At 50 monk i will NOT be buying Cross-Counters...sorry), but i dont do it to say i have it, i do it because i want to give as much to my party as possible. I use a parser, but just to see how im rackin up against everybody else. I dont tell them after the party "Lol, i did 48% and you only did 27% haha@joo", i simply look at it, smile if i did well, and close it.

So what im gettin at is...Elitest is a loose term.

 

[Legomyeggo]

no he saying you elitist need get off your high horses. I'm on the other had accusing you making no research because A) you didn't do it your self B) you did not try all different scenario and setup.
I'm accusing your kind of doing almost just as much dmg to the game as gil buyers, maybe more. I'm accusing you of being a elitist (well not you you just a jackal hindering the disscusion)

So... you're saying we all need to gimp ourselves down because you want to be gimp? Yeah, no.

Get yourself some good gear and learn how to play this ridiculously easy game, you gimp fuck.

 

[Tim Wakefield]

So... you're saying we all need to gimp ourselves down because you want to use be gimp? Yeah, no.

Get yourself some good gear and learn how to play this ridiculously easy game, you gimp fuck.

Neo falls into #2... :O

 

[Legomyeggo]

but i alwayz win'd @ parchesey!

 

[Tim Wakefield]

but i alwayz win'd @ parchesey!

Ninja Please, Connect Four FTW!

 

[hellstorm]

All the information hits the screen, it'd be real easy to work backwards for anyone with even half assed mathematics skill. It is open book. It's a computer program. It's a series of number generators with no missing digits between you and an answer. You continue on as if you're making some kind of sense but you're really just showing how inept you are at grasping the simplest of concepts about computer gaming in general. Fuck the osode and the hauby for a minute and actually use some time to go read how the fuck these games work before speaking like you have half a clue. Until such time everyone's simply going to remind you of how ridiculous you sound with your 'cold hard facts' which is nothing more then conjectured spew from someone who doesn't know any better and isn't willing to go find the answers for themselves.

There's not much more sense to be made here, garvin hit the nail right on the head. The only reason you keep going on and on and on is because you either don't or refuse to understand how simple of an issue this is. You're wrong, get a helmet.

Would love see you do it without stopping in exp party. getting all the information the hit and miss using only a pen and paper, Lets say 2-3 hour exp session on ps2. considering you can only hold ~5-6 battle in your chat long it is impossible to get a accurate test. The program take the number from the a temp file on computer. A temp file that should not be able to access. Unfortunately most stuff is on player side. A folder that can not be accessed on ps2. Parser is down now I don't see test results of party now, but it so easy.

 

[Garvin]

Would love see you do it without stopping in exp party. getting all the information the hit and miss using only a pen and paper, Lets say 2-3 hour exp session on ps2. considering you can only hold ~5-6 battle in your chat long it is impossible to get a accurate test. The program take the number from the a temp file on computer. A temp file that should not be able to access. Unfortunately most stuff is on player side. A folder that can not be accessed on ps2. Parser is down now I don't see test results of party now, but it so easy.

 

[RoM]

Would love see you do it without stopping in exp party. getting all the information the hit and miss using only a pen and paper, Lets say 2-3 hour exp session on ps2. considering you can only hold ~5-6 battle in your chat long it is impossible to get a accurate test. The program take the number from the a temp file on computer. A temp file that should not be able to access. Unfortunately most stuff is on player side. A folder that can not be accessed on ps2. Parser is down now I don't see test results of party now, but it so easy.

You're a smarty.

News flash. Any gear requires parsing over time to establish proper numbers. It's not as though you turn the damn thing on and it immediately knows what's better. It goes by what you do and how you gear yourself, moreover it shows how your party handles. You can even swap gear and look for better combinations or worse ones if that's what floats your boat. Aside from that it'd be real easy to log all incoming text and crunch your numbers on your own time to work it out on the pc.

You could even go by averages of your stock logged fights at a glance and get roughly the same numbers as the parser if you knew the formulas which can be found out easily enough by both reversing your fight math on a given set of fight samples or simply tapping google for a minute whereas the ps2 is concerned.

As far as the ps2 in general goes, too bad so sad. Boo-hoo you play on a ps2, get a computer and get yourself educated or don't and fall behind and be laughed at for not knowing wtf you're talking about. It's no different then looking at quest directions or recipes on a site. You benefit from the work of others who felt compelled to provide detailed answers to the community who otherwise would be at a loss for it, cheater.

Edit: While we're at it let's go down the line:

Current party nominal party builds: cheating.
SC charts: cheating.
Coffer locations: cheating.
BC info: cheating.
Mob weaknesses: cheating
Weather/day synthing instructions: cheating.
Elemental wheel for blms: cheating.

The list goes on and on if we're to hold everything to your standards, hell. Truth be told you're just simply too little way too late.

 

[Elemmire]

I'm disappointed.. GM dave hasn't posted yet about this update which must bring such possible hilariousness

 

[Legomyeggo]

Don't deny what happened that night!

 

[Skaw]

Would love see you do it without stopping in exp party. getting all the information the hit and miss using only a pen and paper, Lets say 2-3 hour exp session on ps2. considering you can only hold ~5-6 battle in your chat long it is impossible to get a accurate test. The program take the number from the a temp file on computer. A temp file that should not be able to access. Unfortunately most stuff is on player side. A folder that can not be accessed on ps2. Parser is down now I don't see test results of party now, but it so easy.

The contents of a log file:

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The Yuhtunga Mandragora readies Head Butt.1 33,00,00,80808010,00002b82,000032c9,0041,00,01,02,00,

Foofighter starts casting Stone II on the Yuhtunga Mandragora.1 18,dd,e6,80009cff,00002b83,000032ca,0018,00,01,02,00,

Foofighter casts Cure. 18,dd,e6,80009cff,00002b83,000032cb,001b,00,01,02,00,

Jenichiwa recovers 0 HP.1 41,dd,e6,80ff1400,00002b84,000032cc,0017,00,01,02,00,

Jenichiwa casts Bind. 41,dd,e6,80ff1400,00002b84,000032cd,0024,00,01,02,00,

The Yuhtunga Mandragora is bound.1 14,1d,87,80c08080,00002b85,000032ce,003d,00,01,02,00,

Skaw hits the Yuhtunga Mandragora for 18 points of damage.1 19,cb,66,80c08080,00002b86,000032cf,001c,00,01,02,00,

Souichi uses Shadowstitch. 19,cb,66,80c08080,00002b86,000032d0,0036,00,01,02,00,

The Yuhtunga Mandragora takes 150 points of damage.1 19,82,17,80c08080,00002b87,000032d1,003f,00,01,02,00,

Souichi hits the Yuhtunga Mandragora for 3 points of damage.1 41,eb,8f,80ff1400,00002b88,000032d2,0018,00,01,02,00,

Jenichiwa casts Blind. 41,eb,8f,80ff1400,00002b88,000032d3,0026,00,01,02,00,

The Yuhtunga Mandragora is blinded.1 25,00,00,60686840,00002b89,000032d4,002b,00,01,02,00,

Souichi defeats the Yuhtunga Mandragora.1 79,00,00,80c0c050,00002b8a,000032d5,0010,00,01,02,00,

yEXP chain #1! 79,00,00,80c0c050,00002b8a,000032d6,0023,00,01,02,00,

Skaw gains 84 experience points.1 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b8b,000032d7,0016,00,01,01,00,

(Darknights) ok guys 40,32,d8,8000ccff,00002b8c,000032d8,001f,00,01,02,00,

Anttaru casts Utsusemi: Ichi. 40,32,d8,8000ccff,00002b8c,000032d9,002a,00,01,02,00,

Anttaru gains the effect of Copy Image.1 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b8d,000032da,0016,00,01,01,00,

(Darknights) im out! 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b8e,000032db,0016,00,01,01,00,

(Anttaru) Good party 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b8f,000032dc,0017,00,01,01,00,

(Foofighter) see ya 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b90,000032dd,0012,00,01,01,00,

(Jenichiwa) yeah cc,03,00,4000c000,00002b91,000032de,0020,00,01,00,00,

Skaw (Lv27 Thief / Lv13 Monk): cc,03,00,4000c000,00002b92,000032df,0027,00,01,00,01,
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@200. SJ: WAR, MNK. Sword/HtH capped 0f,00,00,806050a0,00002b95,000032e0,002a,00,01,01,00,

Souichi bows courteously to Darknights.1 65,59,98,800080ff,00002b96,000032e1,0011,00,01,02,00,

Skaw uses Flee. 65,59,98,800080ff,00002b96,000032e2,0023,00,01,02,00,

Skaw's movement speed increases.1 65,00,00,800080ff,00002b97,000032e3,0012,00,01,02,00,

Skaw uses Steal. 65,00,00,800080ff,00002b97,000032e4,003b,00,01,02,00,

Skaw steals a silver beastcoin
from the Goblin Smithy.1 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b98,000032e5,0042,00,01,01,00,

(Foofighter) I have whm almost to 25 if you find a dd to replace 00,00,00,80808080,00002b99,000032e6,0016,00,01,00,00,

=== Area: Kazham === 00,00,00,80808080,00002b9a,000032e7,001f,00,01,00,00,

=== Area: Yuhtunga Jungle === 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b9b,000032e8,0019,00,01,01,00,

(Souichi) $ am here too 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b9c,000032e9,000e,00,01,01,00,

(Souichi) 4* bf,00,00,60808080,00002b9d,000032ea,0020,00,01,00,00,

Skaw's Flee effect wears off.1 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002b9e,000032eb,0014,00,01,01,00,

(Jenichiwa) 4 here a1,02,00,60404040,00002b9f,000032ec,0012,00,01,00,00,

Conquest update: a1,02,00,60404040,00002b9f,000032ed,0032,00,01,00,00,

This region is currently under beastman control. a1,02,00,60404040,00002b9f,000032ee,002d,00,01,00,00,

You cannot obtain crystals in this region.1 a1,02,00,60404040,00002ba0,000032ef,0015,00,01,00,00,

Regional influence: a1,02,00,60404040,00002ba0,000032f0,0017,00,01,00,00,

San d'Oria - Minimal1 a1,02,00,60404040,00002ba1,000032f1,0011,00,01,00,00,

Bastok - Major1 a1,02,00,60404040,00002ba2,000032f2,0013,00,01,00,00,

Windurst - Minor1 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba3,000032f3,002e,00,01,01,00,

(Souichi) well at least we all pasfic time^^ 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba4,000032f4,003b,00,01,01,00,

(Foofighter) ok thanks for party - my 1st reall good mb^^ 05,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba5,000032f5,0038,00,01,01,00,

(Skaw) Didn't even get hit making the steal that time. 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba6,000032f6,0023,00,01,01,00,

(Souichi) >.< nvm my spelling lol 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba7,000032f7,0019,00,01,01,00,

(Darknights) Good PT!!! 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba8,000032f8,001a,00,01,01,00,

(Darknights) Hade Fun!!! 0d,00,00,80ffff00,00002ba9,000032f9,0023,00,01,01,00,

(Anttaru) congratulations on that

Real hard to crack what it says, zomg.

And it's pretty easy to get to without parser, or windower. Get yourself a laptop, or another PC. Map a network drive to your log file directy, and... wow, you can open logs on another computer with notepad, and copy and paste their contents so you don't lose the information. I are genius!!!!!1111

Aside from the numbering, which I'm assuming is code for timestamps, chat type, text color, etc.. It's exactly as it appears in your chatlog.

 

[hellstorm]

So... you're saying we all need to gimp ourselves down because you want to be gimp? Yeah, no.

Get yourself some good gear and learn how to play this ridiculously easy game, you gimp fuck.

agian have you seen my gear? I think not. I try have best gear possible any good player would, but calling odose and sipahi jawshan gimp that being elitist. I've never said gimp yourself even though it not considering the reson you are parsing the 2 items together in first place is because it to close to call. RoM I call it faulty parser because you do not expain what "other" gear you are wearing, which ive already said.

I use a parser, but just to see how im rackin up against everybody else. I dont tell them after the party "Lol, i did 48% and you only did 27% haha@joo", i simply look at it, smile if i did well, and close it.

this is a example of and advange. It really dont matter now though parser is broken now and the dmg has already been done.