Poor Rangers = Bad Rangers

[Neche]

If you know the mobs generally have a high resistance to something. Example. Undead are highly resistant to sleep. :O OMGZOR!!!11!
And if the BLM is in incredably sub-par gear like full seers then you would know. As I mentioned before, a BLM in not the best gear can preform fine as to compared a RNG in not the best gear.

Think of it this way.
(rest of gear is exactly the same)
BLM(Incredibly tough) Has HQ Ice staff fighting PUG's(
BLM(Very Tough) Has NQ Ice staff fighting PUG's
Of course the Incredibly tough BLM will do more damage, but not so much as to completely blow away the Very Tough BLM

RNG(Incredibly Tough) Ebow and really good arrows(I don't know ^^
RNG(Very Tough) The bow for the current level not HQ same arrows though.
The RNG with the Ebow could oblitterate the Very Tough RNG easily. Why? because of the equip.

We hold a double standard for RNG's because they are meant to be a farming class. If your a RNG and can't take the time to farm then don't be a RNG.
BLM's are expected to have pretty good gear. But not in the same way of a RNG. Because of the different class capablities.

 

[yanzi]

If you know the mobs generally have a high resistance to something. Example. Undead are highly resistant to sleep. :O OMGZOR!!!11!
And if the BLM is in incredably sub-par gear like full seers then you would know.

they are resistant to sleep because they are dark based. no amount of gear is going to help that. what's your point?

As I mentioned before, a BLM in not the best gear can preform fine as to compared a RNG in not the best gear.

and as i've mentioned before, how is a blm getting constantly resisted doing well?

Think of it this way.
(rest of gear is exactly the same)
BLM(Incredibly tough) Has HQ Ice staff fighting PUG's(
BLM(Very Tough) Has NQ Ice staff fighting PUG's
Of course the Incredibly tough BLM will do more damage, but not so much as to completely blow away the Very Tough BLM

if you get 4k/hour, say 200xp per mob. that's 20 mobs in 1 hour. say you average 4 casts of blizz2 every fight. you have IT BLM doing full 300 damage every cast. and then you have VT BLM being resisted 30% of the time. IT BLM is doing 1200 damage every fight, VT BLM, ~800. that's 8000 damage per hour difference between the two blm. still insignificant? the VT BLM might not even be getting 4k/hour because of that.

RNG(Incredibly Tough) Ebow and really good arrows(I don't know ^^
RNG(Very Tough) The bow for the current level not HQ same arrows though.
The RNG with the Ebow could oblitterate the Very Tough RNG easily. Why? because of the equip.

Ebow 71 damage, +23 Rattk. WarBow+1 66 damage, +18Rattk. wow, that's such a large difference, any ranger without Ebow should be called gimp.

We hold a double standard for RNG's because they are meant to be a farming class. If your a RNG and can't take the time to farm then don't be a RNG.
BLM's are expected to have pretty good gear. But not in the same way of a RNG. Because of the different class capablities.

ok, so everyone else can be gimp except for rangers right? and since we're not rangers, that means we don't have to farm either. yay!

 

[Legomyeggo]

RNG(Incredibly Tough) Ebow and really good arrows(I don't know ^^
RNG(Very Tough) The bow for the current level not HQ same arrows though.
The RNG with the Ebow could oblitterate the Very Tough RNG easily. Why? because of the equip.

Ebow 71 damage, +23 Rattk. WarBow+1 66 damage, +18Rattk. wow, that's such a large difference, any ranger without Ebow should be called gimp.

Well, considering Ebow uppens the damage on Ranged Attack by about 20 and increases Damage/Accuracy on Sidewinder, we (Rangers without a Ebow) could be considered gimp, it's just that there's so many Rangers that skip it due to its cost, we just make due with Warbow+1.

 

[yanzi]

RNG(Incredibly Tough) Ebow and really good arrows(I don't know ^^
RNG(Very Tough) The bow for the current level not HQ same arrows though.
The RNG with the Ebow could oblitterate the Very Tough RNG easily. Why? because of the equip.

Ebow 71 damage, +23 Rattk. WarBow+1 66 damage, +18Rattk. wow, that's such a large difference, any ranger without Ebow should be called gimp.

Well, considering Ebow uppens the damage on Ranged Attack by about 20 and increases Damage/Accuracy on Sidewinder, we (Rangers without a Ebow) could be considered gimp, it's just that there's so many Rangers that skip it due to its cost, we just make due with Warbow+1.

not just cost, availability. heck the ebow vang sold is still in the history so you know how many have been sold in AH since then.

 

[Villarel]

Well, considering Ebow uppens the damage on Ranged Attack by about 20 and increases Damage/Accuracy on Sidewinder, we (Rangers without a Ebow) could be considered gimp, it's just that there's so many Rangers that skip it due to its cost, we just make due with Warbow+1.

I never had an E.bow. Guess I'm gimped according to your standard. O, BTW, I never had a Warbow+1 either. Am I doubly gimped?

 

[yanzi]

Well, considering Ebow uppens the damage on Ranged Attack by about 20 and increases Damage/Accuracy on Sidewinder, we (Rangers without a Ebow) could be considered gimp, it's just that there's so many Rangers that skip it due to its cost, we just make due with Warbow+1.

I never had an E.bow. Guess I'm gimped according to your standard. O, BTW, I never had a Warbow+1 either. Am I doubly gimped?

better not be using your sniping bow in party vil. :twisted:

 

[decidence]

This is turning into a thread where Yanzi tries to justify spending too much money on his/her BLM...

 

[Legomyeggo]

Well, considering Ebow uppens the damage on Ranged Attack by about 20 and increases Damage/Accuracy on Sidewinder, we (Rangers without a Ebow) could be considered gimp, it's just that there's so many Rangers that skip it due to its cost, we just make due with Warbow+1.

I never had an E.bow. Guess I'm gimped according to your standard. O, BTW, I never had a Warbow+1 either. Am I doubly gimped?

I was talking about Long Bows, if not I would've mentioned Musk+1, Hellfire or Othinus...

 

[anesly]

Response to Anesly~


Yeh, NIN had the virtually required skills, as well as shihei and the other tools, and RNG have the virtually require knives/bow/arrow, but on the other side, BLM are just as required to have certain spells.

I covered this.

Well, the thing with RNG and NIN is that you *always* have to spend money on ammo/ninja tools (and these guys aren't cheap, either). Yes, every class has pricey items, but usually you buy your sexy piece of armor or shiny spell and wear it for however many levels, or use it (if it's a spell). [...] With RNG or NIN you still have the spikes in armor, scrolls, etc. that any class has--but you also get the ongoing expense of tools/ammo for every fight

So let me repeat: as RNG or NIN you still have to buy/quest scrolls (though not as many as mage class, of course). You still have to keep up-to-date equipment like any other class. What's different is that, because of the nature of the jobs, you have to have a decent amount of gil on hand at all times. People--at least in this game--seem to have an easier time saving up for an item than keeping a steady stream of gil coming in.

This goes for WHM, RDM and SMN at certain points as well. They all -should- keep up-to-date equipment beyond the stuff that's seen as required, but getting the absolute best of everything for the quest the second it's available for use is extremely unlikely unless you've had a great twist of luck (i.e. rich person quitting and giving you something really expensive, or somehow claiming Argus and getting the Peacock Charm, I'm 0/2)

Nowhere in my post did I say you were gimped if you didn't have "the absolute best of everything."

Sometimes I don't even know why I bother. :roll:

 

[vang]

Well, considering Ebow uppens the damage on Ranged Attack by about 20 and increases Damage/Accuracy on Sidewinder, we (Rangers without a Ebow) could be considered gimp, it's just that there's so many Rangers that skip it due to its cost, we just make due with Warbow+1.

I never had an E.bow. Guess I'm gimped according to your standard. O, BTW, I never had a Warbow+1 either. Am I doubly gimped?

Hello smartass! Glad you could be nothing but one in the thread ^^

I sold my Ebow because I finally realized the MG +1 really did own the EBOW IMO and picked up some striders instead.

 

[Golen]

/cheer Vang.

I love this guy, I swear I do. I've only talked to him once but you gotta love a guy who isn't afraid to post this shit.

/cheer Vang.

Honestly, I have the same belief. You know what to expect when starting a job by now. Don't start Ninja or Ranger if you are going to go cheap.

 

[yanzi]

This is turning into a thread where Yanzi tries to justify spending too much money on his/her BLM...

i'm only complaining why other jobs don't fall under the same scrutiny of buying the best gear, weapons, etc as rangers do. apparently neche feels we can be gimp as long as we're not playing rng.

 

[TiyaKelth]

This is turning into a thread where Yanzi tries to justify spending too much money on his/her BLM...

Oh, I didn't realise going all out to be the best you can be is something you need to justify... Or are you just jealous that Yanzi has better gear than you?

 

[Narell]

I had a post typed out for this thread trying to clear up some of the conflict between the ppl arguing and still not listening to each other, but I decided that I already wasted enough time and it wouldn't do anything but pull me into the flame war.

That being said, I can't stand gimps, period! You have a job, it's a job in a game but it's still what it sounds like, it's a job. Do your job and get at least good equipment if you can't afford great or uber equipment. I'm sorry but I'm seeing this more and more now and it's making me not even want to play this game anymore, it's like Invasion of the Gimps. I don't expect every Rng out there to be wearing striders or an Ebow and I don't expect Blms to have HQ staves but it's nice to see it b/c it at least creates the illusion that this person WANTS to be good and will STRIVE to be good. Anyways, I didn't pay attention to many of the posts in this thread b/c they all look the same. If I said something that's already been said... o well, I really don't give a fuck.

 

[Kat]

I, like Alanon, skimmed alot of this thread also. Alot of it is very redundant, sorry to say. So, if I repeat something also, I apologise. Anesly, as usual some of your smart ass remarks totally crack me up. Thank you for making me laugh as much as you do.

Personally, I don't care if you have the most "uber" gear, but please at least buy the most decent and affordable gear for your job so you can perform. But, DAMN!!! some of you up and coming rangers, at least buy arrows and bullets!!! There was a ranger I was partying with in Yhoater a few weeks ago. The dude didn't even have arrows!!! I have to say he left the party pretty quick. I do have a temper once in a while, and I jumped his ass . HELLOOOOOO!!!! wtf ... His excuse, he hadn't been back to town yet. Um, HELLOOOOOO!!! Ugh, some of these new people even drive me nuts, and I overlook a lot of crap, cuz it is a game. But there comes a time to draw the line.

 

[Flymop]

u think rng suffer, look at all the fuckwits who play gimps who cant do it to save their lives, im surprised some of them get past dunes.

Theres drks like me who actually try to play it how its ment to be played and personally i think we actually do well i nkeeping some respect still i nthe drk race, where with al lthe fuckwit retards playing it taking the respect out of the drk class.

 

[Flymop]

u think rng suffer, look at all the fuckwits who play drk, gimps who cant do it to save their lives, im surprised some of them get past dunes.

-Edit im a typo king

 

[alanon]

First, Holy shitballs batman! How in the hell di you know that I was skimmin this thread and going to respond Kat?

"Kat's Psychic Skills increase 0.3"

Oh yea. 100damage from blizzard 2 + 10% increase 110damage. 100 damage from blizzard 2 +15% increase. 115damage. Wow 5 damage. That's worth 8mil. :roll:

Yes and no. Blizz 2 is not just 100Dmg. It's closer to 300. I bought the ice stave right away. I later bought an HQ ice and was amazed at the extra damage. Say the average series 2 spell hit for 300, with the HQ ice, I hit for 345. Is the 45dmg worth the 2-3months I spent farmin craftin to buy the HQ's? (still need earth and water) For me it is. It pays off even more with the series 3 spells. Im a perfectionist by nature. I absolutely love consistantly outdamaging the taru Blm, but that's just me.

On the Rng subject. Have to say /nin should be used. Sorry but I've seen a lot of Rng/War pull hate and die. Sure, like anything it can work in certain situations (Like u7's party where hate will be bouncin all over) but other times, sorry I agree with Vang. My new static has Thf/Nin and Rng/Nin and they manage to pull off SATA everytime.

 

[decidence]

This is turning into a thread where Yanzi tries to justify spending too much money on his/her BLM...

Oh, I didn't realise going all out to be the best you can be is something you need to justify... Or are you just jealous that Yanzi has better gear than you?

I suppose I could get a Phantom Earring +1

 

[wolfskymoon]

OK no offense to anyone but let me remind you guys something.THis game is suppose to be a game and not something thats "Life or death".Not everyone playing ffxi has the time or money to to either farm all dayand night or buy gil online.I know i saw a guy once who was subbing pld with drk and that scked but it doesnt mean that a good ranger can only be the one who only buys plus 1's or HQ's.Also nin might be a good subjob for ranger but warrior isnt bad either.Ranger is suppose to be a DD and with berserk and all that shit that u get from WAR,u can do awesome damage but offcourse u need a good tank to keep u alive.War sub for thief is alot better (in my opinion) than nin sub because a whole sub job for only three hits during pulling,is not worth it.Thief with war sub can do alot more dmg since ever after dual wield 2 u cant match the dmg that thief gets with berserk.But thf/nin is also a typo temporary tanks for nms and stuff.
In the end all i wanna make clear is that ppl are taking Ffxi way too seriously.I mean i think all the jobs are almost balanced.Day after day ffxi is becomin a damn chore and ppl are putting forward their own self made requirements to level up in the game.