i too dont see how gilga is on that list.. ive partied with him in ym late 60's and hes a fucken gimp.. u talk about gimp.. hes ur gimp.. while i had amemit +1, genin, hawkers, mained gun, ect, he had the shitty gear and mained sarnga with scorpion.. u gotta be kidding me.. if u dont belive me ask shiutou or dakan, we partied together.. i blew his dmg away
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Eladamiri said:
[yeah, I about fell out of my chair laughing when I saw Gilga on that list too, but...]
Did you actually get any of your own stuff, or did this all come with the character? :roll:
Mishaela said:
Well, the thing with RNG and NIN is that you *always* have to spend money on ammo/ninja tools (and these guys aren't cheap, either). Yes, every class has pricey items, but usually you buy your sexy piece of armor or shiny spell and wear it for however many levels, or use it (if it's a spell). I'm not saying you only get one big expense as other classes (and I'm not trying to start a 'you can resell armor but spell $$ is gone forever!' debate), but rather, that they come every couple of levels at the most. With RNG or NIN you still have the spikes in armor, scrolls, etc. that any class has--but you also get the ongoing expense of tools/ammo for every fight, which makes having some sort of steady income (or massive farming/crafting/whatevering runs in between XP) important.
why is there such a double standard for rangers? alll of you claim that if you want to play ranger, you should play it to its fullest. why not with other jobs? i still see gimpy jobs that are not rangers. going to slam whms who don't have astral rings for not playing their job to the fullest? or how about whms without raise 3? it's only 1.2 million (whenever it's in stock).
anesly said:
bleah, forgive my crankiness.
yanzi said:
Because Vang used to be a RNG. So look out THFs, or whatever his next pick will be, Vang' coming after you next!
vang said:Or go be a paladin with Ultra and the rest of the community
hey hey hey... watch it there buddy... can't just name paladins and say "the rest of the community". that's like that with all jobs. everyone wants to be a paladin. everyone wants to be a ninja. everyone wants to be a ranger... everyone wants to put my kack in their mouth... so what, ha.
as you can tell i play many jobs. some that are premanently stuck as a sub only and some with potential to hit 75 (maybe if i'm still playing).
trust me... i'll be leveling ranger a lot more once my brother who is the RNG/WAR reaches my level and once we both hit 42, meet up with another friend of mine who is 42 RNG/NIN... so x2 RNG/NIN and a RNG/WAR in static... WHO F-ing cares. maybe one day my bro will level NIN, but for now, RNG/WAR will do and he's loving it. of course, who DOESN'T love playing RNG. but this isn't his first job tho'. he does have a 60+ job so... but WHATEVER...
this thread is gay... the OP is gay... sometimes this game is gay... and i'm not, haha.
btw, one of the "old school" NA rangers was Rashyyyk before selling his gawd damn account... fawker. he's on top than those listed on this thread. and i'll agree with Reality also. Stigmatas... Dalva... 'nuff said
anyhow...
lol@vill...
i remember when i helped out Gilga with his AF and he was saying "don't worry, i'll help you out too" but i never saw or heard of him after that. just plain GAY!
but yeah...
Yanzi. It's because with a ranger. If you don't have really good equip, your going to deal shitty damage, and your going to bring the party down because of that. With lets say mages. You can have the Norm for equip, or even abit lower, and still cure, enfeeb, ehance, nuke without much hindering. Now if you have the best, yes, it will be affected postively but not as severe as a RNG would.
Now I don't remember much about melee classes because I only had a level 17war. But we have the same standards for WAR, NIN, PLD, ect.. because if a PLD doesnt have Gluttony sword, or VIT equip, then they will bring down their party too. It's just Vang has a pet peeve with sub-par rangers.
Now I don't remember much about melee classes because I only had a level 17war. But we have the same standards for WAR, NIN, PLD, ect.. because if a PLD doesnt have Gluttony sword, or VIT equip, then they will bring down their party too. It's just Vang has a pet peeve with sub-par rangers.
i can understand sub-par rangers equipment wise, but if you have a ranger with notch gear but subbing war then what's the fucking difference... because vang did say this...Neche said:
vang said:
"appropriate subjob" and "few instances where war sub is viable" is... um... bullshit. only because of recent patches has made rangers much much more better post 30. pre-post... well... what can you call those rangers back then?
btw, i hate charybdis... die
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I really don't like vang's approach either, but he had a point. This truely is an advanced job. Ranger has "potienal" to be the best DoT DD, but if you're going to play ranger gimp, you might as well play another DD allout. When people invite rangers they expect a guaranteed awsome damage dealer due to its rep. And I definitely believe word of gimp rngs makes its way around faster than other gimp jobs, so you're only shooting yourself in the foot.
Rng/war goes very well with thief if they both know what they're doing. Rng/war has the power at any given time to pull hate for SATA, or sidewinder+voke---->SATA ws onto tank, even if he(the tank) obtained ALOT of hate.
And to whoever said rng/nin outdamages rng/war assuming both can go all out or near all out, sorry but that's not correct at all. If the rng/war has all the top notch gear short of a peacock charm he should have, he'll have no accuracy problems a rng/nin wouldn't. Since rng acc has a soft cap, it's not unthinkable for them to have almost the exact same hit rate at higher levels.
Acc is on a curve, so that extra rng acc rng/nin can have means less than you think. Rng/war is going to be the one breaking 1000-1100 on sidewinder consistantly at level 55, not /nin. Although I do agree with vang was right in saying /war is situational, or /war must pace themselves playing intelligently.
And if one can't handle /war, it's not our problem, they'll be back on the way to 54 in no time.
Rng/war goes very well with thief if they both know what they're doing. Rng/war has the power at any given time to pull hate for SATA, or sidewinder+voke---->SATA ws onto tank, even if he(the tank) obtained ALOT of hate.
And to whoever said rng/nin outdamages rng/war assuming both can go all out or near all out, sorry but that's not correct at all. If the rng/war has all the top notch gear short of a peacock charm he should have, he'll have no accuracy problems a rng/nin wouldn't. Since rng acc has a soft cap, it's not unthinkable for them to have almost the exact same hit rate at higher levels.
Acc is on a curve, so that extra rng acc rng/nin can have means less than you think. Rng/war is going to be the one breaking 1000-1100 on sidewinder consistantly at level 55, not /nin. Although I do agree with vang was right in saying /war is situational, or /war must pace themselves playing intelligently.
And if one can't handle /war, it's not our problem, they'll be back on the way to 54 in no time.
don't worry Jag^^
my brother won't die too much, haha... with 3 rangers in static, there won't be enough time to kill one of us
ha..haha.. HA..
meh -_-;
my brother won't die too much, haha... with 3 rangers in static, there won't be enough time to kill one of us
ha..haha.. HA..
meh -_-;
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Response to Anesly~
Yeh, NIN had the virtually required skills, as well as shihei and the other tools, and RNG have the virtually require knives/bow/arrow, but on the other side, BLM are just as required to have certain spells. This goes for WHM, RDM and SMN at certain points as well. They all -should- keep up-to-date equipment beyond the stuff that's seen as required, but getting the absolute best of everything for the quest the second it's available for use is extremely unlikely unless you've had a great twist of luck (i.e. rich person quitting and giving you something really expensive, or somehow claiming Argus and getting the Peacock Charm, I'm 0/2)
As I said in my eirlier post, you can't discriminate a person's class simply because because he doesn't have a certain piece of equipment...I'm thankful every day I'm not kicked out of a party for not having a Vermillion Cloak or Serket Ring or that -3 enmity belt that I currently forget the name of.. x_o
Yeh, NIN had the virtually required skills, as well as shihei and the other tools, and RNG have the virtually require knives/bow/arrow, but on the other side, BLM are just as required to have certain spells. This goes for WHM, RDM and SMN at certain points as well. They all -should- keep up-to-date equipment beyond the stuff that's seen as required, but getting the absolute best of everything for the quest the second it's available for use is extremely unlikely unless you've had a great twist of luck (i.e. rich person quitting and giving you something really expensive, or somehow claiming Argus and getting the Peacock Charm, I'm 0/2)
As I said in my eirlier post, you can't discriminate a person's class simply because because he doesn't have a certain piece of equipment...I'm thankful every day I'm not kicked out of a party for not having a Vermillion Cloak or Serket Ring or that -3 enmity belt that I currently forget the name of.. x_o
Neche said:
whms with gimpy gear can still bring down a party. same thing. i officially declare any whm without an astral and a serket ring as GIMP. you hurt chains and xp/hour.
yanzi said:
oh yeah, and BLMs without all 8 HQ staves are GIMP. you gimp your own damage and aren't playing a job to its fullest.
yanzi said:
/agree :twisted:
See Yanzi. But take a level60 range in the best gear. And take a level60 range in the norm gear. The RNG with the best gear will do indefinately better than the other.
Now take a WHM with all the best gear, astral, serket. And one with like a sainty+1 and an electrum. You have room for more cures, 75MP might be alot. But if your level60 and 75MP will break your party. Then its a shitty party, and shouldn't be there in the first place.
As for all HQ staffs, nice to have. No need for them at all. Maybe HQ Ice. But having HQ fire, water, earth, ect are pretty much pointless. Unless they give the elemental spell a 50% increase in damage. Then do it. But the normal ones increased potentcy(sp?) is just fine..
Now take a WHM with all the best gear, astral, serket. And one with like a sainty+1 and an electrum. You have room for more cures, 75MP might be alot. But if your level60 and 75MP will break your party. Then its a shitty party, and shouldn't be there in the first place.
As for all HQ staffs, nice to have. No need for them at all. Maybe HQ Ice. But having HQ fire, water, earth, ect are pretty much pointless. Unless they give the elemental spell a 50% increase in damage. Then do it. But the normal ones increased potentcy(sp?) is just fine..
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