Sabia said:
Fire, you're being an idiot. Most of the people that I know that bought Wii didn't buy it because of Zelda - they bought it because of the wii-mote. How do I know this? Most of the people I know who bought wii all ready have a gamecube and don't have a lot of money to blow on things they really don't want. I"m a huge zelda fan and I didn't pick up wii for Zelda because I knew it's going to come out on the gamecube. I bought a Wii for all the other shit that's going on for it. Wii Sports, Smooth Movies, Trauma Centre, Raving Rabbits - not to mention all the other stuff that's on the way like Metroid, SSBB, Crystal Chronicals, Mario Galaxies. I ended up buying Zelda for the Wii anyway and absolutely loved the control setting - my fave part? aiming my controller at the TV for shotting shit and using my double hook shots. Sounds silly but it made the game more enjoyable so who gives two shits?
Most of the Wii games out now don't justify their $50 price tags, because their production values are low and the actual games are very short. Their best selling game is a Gamecube port. Trauma Center is a DS port. Their CoD is a port from the PS2 version.
Sabia said:
PS3 is hurting, the whole industry knows this minus sony. They're whole "If you can find a PS3 on the shelves we'll buy it for you for 1200!!!" fully illustrates just how disconnected they are from the current market. I'm not going to say that Sony hasn't done some good things - I own a PS2 and PS1 and got tons of play out of it. My PS1 hardware is shit but the games more than made up for the fact I have to play my system upside down and at an angle. Sony's in house development team has made 3 of my fave games, Ico, Shadow of the Colossus and Wild Arms. However to say that they're the video game giants as of now...in this generation is just blind. It's like saying that about nintendo when the N64 was out. "WELL THEY SOLD TONS OF SNES!!! SO THE MUST BE GREAT!" That's what you sound like. I own an N64 and it houses two of my fave games (Star Fox and Majora's Mask) but it by far, was not a successful system.
Now you're just knocking it based on relative popularity. 2 million PS3s sold so far, half as many as Wii.
There were 10 million gamecubes sold and 130 million ps2s sold. I don't recall people declaring that the gamecube flopped. I don't recall xbox 360 selling 2 million in this point in its life cycle. I expected PS3 to have low sales until there were more games out, I don't know why everyone is so shocked and awed that without any really exceptional exclusives out that it's not leading the market yet. I think the people who are being idiots are the people who are making a big deal out of it, trying to act like 2 million, without even the European launch out yet, is a surprisingly low number. Did you expect people were going to buying up every unit out there until Metal Gear and FF13 came out?
How many people on this very board who are trashing PS3 said they were gonna get one eventually when more games came out? Some of us can just afford to buy one now.
As for the Wii, there's no way that Trauma Center, 6 hour long, 50 dollar game... Wii sports, half finished tech demo and some other random low production value games are going to justify the Wii's price tag any more than Resistance, VF5 and Fight Night 3 justify the PS3. If you can honestly say that you'd be happy with the Wii knowing that you could never buy any more games, then sure, but most people are happy with the knowledge Smash bros and metroid are coming out, and hopefully a zelda that's actually designed for the wii.
Sabia said:
Pull your head out of your ass and look at the sales figures. I don't care if Wii has the shittiest graphics out of all the systems, the games are fun and the low sales price is getting people to pick them up. Hell My MOM plays Trauma Centre for shits sake - she hates video games! Obviously Nintendo is doing something right, it's the DS vs PSP all over again. DS had shittier graphics and weird games and absolutely stomped the PSP. Besides if I wanted a graphically superior system right now I'd pick up a 360. It has games, nice graphics and is $300 cheaper than a PS3.
Sales figures again. I don't rate systems, games, movies or books based on their popularity. People are stupid, look how many people watched Titanic? It had a bigger box office gross than Terminator 2.
By the way, it's $200 cheaper than the 360 not $300. You can get a cheaper version of the PS3 just like you can get a cheaper version of the Xbox.
Oh yeah, if you want internet service that's another 60, for the first year.... so I guess it's 140 dollars cheaper.
Forgot, if you want the wireless internet adapter that's another 100... so I guess it's 40 dollar cheaper...
Want that HD DVD attachment so it can play High def movies? Don't even think about it! We won't even add that in! How about a hard drive? Doesn't come with that.
Sabia said:
PS3 may rock in a year or so if Sony can get it's shit together but as of now it sucks. Even PS3 owners are like "uhhh...you should wait to get one of these" where as most Wii owners are pretty happy with their purchase.
PS: Porting Zelda to the Wii was brilliant - it got all the people who were going to pick up a wii, buy it right away. All the Wii's sold with zelda would of been sold eventually anyway - it' just got it off the shelves sooner than later.
I didn't say it wasn't a good business move, I said it didn't add any value to the gameplay and the Wii version was no reason to get a Wii. They could have set it so you had to play with a gamecube controller, and people would have bought the Wii version because they assume for the more advanced system the game isn't identical.
I'm also going to point out that while this next gen it going to take a while to really take over the market, the PS2 still dominates by more than PS3, Wii, xbox 360, X box and gamecube put together. So to say that Sony doesn't have exclusive power because the PS3 isn't out isn't highly accurate, is it? Sony still controls the market share until the 6th generation is finished, and it isn't going to be finished until next year at the earliest, giving the PS3 plenty of time to build exclusives.
