PS3 is hurting!

Even and odd scan lines. Not literal half frames.

Edit: think of it like blinds on a window.
 
This changes the WHOLE fucking thread.

Nintendio Fanboys: "its so inovative. THE MOTION SENSORS...THE MOTION SENSORS!"
Christ. its a fad, it will be phased out in a year.
 
I already posted about those items, my friend had the baseball and tennis one.
 
Kelyon said:
This changes the WHOLE fucking thread.

Nintendio Fanboys: "its so inovative. THE MOTION SENSORS...THE MOTION SENSORS!"
Christ. its a fad, it will be phased out in a year.
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I don't get that. It's not as if the Wii and the xavix have alot in common aside from motion sensor technology that's been dated for a while. The Wii get's a nod for innovation because nintendo based a console around it and gave it a huge market. Something the xavix was never intended to do based on the FAQ they provided it was a simple interaction and workout gig with gimicky controllers.

For your money between the two there the Wii is still a better buy. Who needs a different controller for every game you play? pssh.
 
Well the machine was actually built by ex-nintendo engineers, which says a lot. Consoles are just efficient upgrades from previous technologies. Pure innovation does not happen on a mass production level. If you like the Wii because you have fun playing it, fine. Don't give it too much credit as if Nintendo invented the idea of a console having motion sensors. I find cell-chip architecture more innovative being that Sony actually invented it and if you look into it, it's quite amazing and they put 400 million into developing it. Nintendo acts like they invented sensor controls and avatars, on the other hand.
 
See that i dig. I've always maintained the wii looks like more fun currently. I envy the actors who play it and feel myself actually missing out on things for the first time in the history of my life involving gaming because i have neither the Wii or the Xbox. Sony's going to have to drop something super-big in the way of titles (plural) to catch up in my eyes. Compound that with my particular taste in games and you've got an opinion that's all but worthless in the innovation department.

I just want to have fun. I don't give a rats ass about specs in all honesty. Alot of gamers feel the same, alot of you want to be on the cutting edge. I figure there's room to accomodate it all given the options out there. I do feel, however, that currently the PS3 could be pulling a little more weight and for the hype and innovation of the console there really should be more supporting titles for it.
 
You guys are aware that it's a completely different system for those games right? All they do is shine lasers in a line and measure the speed that you pass over them with the club/bat/ball. It's a completely different technology than what's in the wiimotes and it's been in arcades for about 10 years. Going off firestreak's "definition" of innovation, Nintendo is still innovative, because they used a completely different technology than just a tilt sensor or the same technology you'd find in the radar guns cops use to see if you're speeding. But whatever, you guys don't think controls matter anyways(which is lol) so I'm sure that little detail just goes over your head.

Edit: also, it's not just us in this thread saying the Wii's motion controls are innovative; it's pretty much the entire gaming industry besides those that are strictly controlled by microsoft and sony. So unless you're more informed and more knowledgeable than the people who make the games, you're idiots for saying that the Wii's controls are not innovative in any way.

Edit 2: Also, Nintendo is still the first one to do motion sensitive gaming at home. The power glove had motion sensing capabilities and that was 20 years ago. They sucked, but hey they were there. The scale for power glove -> Wiimote is about the same level as PS2 processor -> PS3 core processor in terms of advancement.
 
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Bajaratt, you're just wrong altogether. Xavix uses the same technology as the Wii and they did it 3 years ago. The Wii is popular because it's Nintendo that's doing it and they have more capital to market it better and support it with a bigger library of games.

I could give half of a shit if the entire gaming industry thinks it's innovative or not. I have a brain, I can think for my self, thank you very much. But yeah, the entire gaming industry thinks it's innovative, so it must be true! Except you know, the people who speak out against it and get censored by EA.

By the way, Power glove > Wiimote versus PS2 to the Cell processor? You don't know a damn thing about the cell and that's obvious because you're too busy jacking off to your wiimote.

But yeah, I'm sure you'll give props to nintendo for inventing the technology behind motion sensor controls, afterall everything they do is oh so original. They probably invented the cell chip too and sony went back in time to steal their idea, like Home, which was of course a nintendo brainchild, they decided 8 bit cartoons going on a parade locally to your own console were considered superior though.
 
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Holy old ass references that make me feel like i could fart dust.

Power glove = Win.

Wtf was the name of that Fred savage movie? The wizard or some crap?

Sorry no more derail from me, you kids play nice. I've been learning alot from a potential consumer perspective keeping up with this thread.
 
I'm not seeing anything that compares the motion sensing in those games to the wiimote. Why not actually show that it's using the same technology rather than idiotically assume that all forms of motion sensing are the same. You're the one who said that the six-axis tilt sensor was like the motion sensing controls in the wiimote, so of anyone you're the obvious one who has no idea what you're talking about. They're showing the pad that you use with the club on their website, it's a different, cheaper and honestly crappier technology. They've been using it for years in arcades because aside from someone smashing something through the sensor it's largely idiot proof.

The comparison is in the changes in the technology you moron, I'm sorry you can't understand a simple analogy. Power glove motion sensing was weak as hell compared to the wiimote and guess who processor was weak as hell compared to the PS3's core processor? The differences are obviously more obvious in the CPU differences, because that's much easier to quantify; but if you actually think that the changes in the motion sensing technology are not significantly large, then you're beyond all logic.
 
Kelyon said:
Oh sweeeet jesus i hope you are kidding. Look at the fucking market. BLu-rays are out selling HD like 4 to 1. Blu rat is dominating. And re-read the thread. The whole BLu-ray v. HD was already run into the ground. Look at ALL major outlets, and even the release and soon to be released lists. Blu-ray has BIG hollywood, multi-million dollar movies coming soon, where HD does not even have on the list of movies w/o a date. HD sucks. Blu-ray is MUCH better, along with blu ray players.
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Mini-disc
 
When I consider innovation as an incentive for me to make a purchase, I look at innovation as in, the company doing a service to the industry by pushing the technology further. If you examine the technology behind the Cell, you see it pushes not only the gaming industry forward but technology in general. IBM is using cell technology to build it's newest supercomputer, for example. The implications behind it are revolutionary. Are we headed technologically away from keyboards and mice and joysticks to motion sensor controls and touch pads built into monitors?

Yeah probably, but the Wii's not pushing us in that direction, I know because I've seen the projects that are actually innovative with regards to motion sensors. I've seen people building objects with a touch sensitive monitor by running their fingers across the screen. The Wii is last gen motion sensing, that's been cheap enough to be mass produced a few years and they were the first company with the motivation and capital to profit the shit out of it. But they aren't technological innovators. They realized a market to profit on, if anything, they're smart businessmen. They got my 250 bucks, but they aren't getting my praise over ripping off Xavix... especially when they call Home a ripoff of their pathetic Miis.
 
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Xavix uses IR and Optical sensors. That's not motion sensing. It's Motion detecting. The external sensors are picking up the movements of the "controller." The hardware is more of a combination an Optical Mouse and Laser Trip system. The only comparison(hardware-wise) is that they both allow for wireless play. The Xavix sensor bar/camera/what the fuck ever is essential for picking up everything. The Wii "sensor" bar... Which is just an IR emitter, it doesn't actually recieve anything. Thats all done from the Remote and the Console... is just for cursory positioning, which is why it's so easily replaced by things like candles and TV Remotes. The Wii Remote picks up IR and triangulates the angle so that it "points" at your TV accurately.

Basically thats what it comes down to. Xavix works entirely because of external hardware, nothing is actually sensed, it's all detected. Where as the Wii is all internal, with the results transmitted to the console.

You could effectively play a Wii Game without the bar, or makeshift replacement. So long as it doesn't require aiming/pointing at anything.

Just because something plays the same doesn't mean it operates the same. Otherwise why not claim the Nintendo Zapper as being motion sensitive?
 
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I find cell-chip architecture more innovative being that Sony actually invented it and if you look into it,
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You mean IBM?
 
Firestreak said:
When I consider innovation as an incentive for me to make a purchase, I look at innovation as in, the company doing a service to the industry by pushing the technology further. If you examine the technology behind the Cell, you see it pushes not only the gaming industry forward but technology in general. IBM is using cell technology to build it's newest supercomputer, for example. The implications behind it are revolutionary. Are we headed technologically away from keyboards and mice and joysticks to motion sensor controls and touch pads built into monitors?

Yeah probably, but the Wii's not pushing us in that direction, I know because I've seen the projects that are actually innovative with regards to motion sensors. I've seen people building objects with a touch sensitive monitor by running their fingers across the screen. The Wii is last gen motion sensing, that's been cheap enough to be mass produced a few years and they were the first company with the motivation and capital to profit the shit out of it. But they aren't technological innovators. They realized a market to profit on, if anything, they're smart businessmen. They got my 250 bucks, but they aren't getting my praise over ripping off Xavix... especially when they call Home a ripoff of their pathetic Miis.
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The advancement is in the gesture recognition, that's really the only way to improve on motion sensing technology, make it able to detect much more natural and unique movements. The IR-break recognition technology in the Xavix games is "last-gen," the accelerometers in the wiimote are the latest technology because they've been working with developers for the last 4 years to make it work. Considering how much you confuse the different forms of motion sensing technology, I'm not really surprised by just how wrong you are, but seriously just give it a rest; you're wrong, accept it already.

Touch screen technology isn't new, it's been around a hell of a lot longer than the technology in the wiimote. There's also no where they can go with touch screens, no way to improve upon the technology so it can do something else. Hell, it's not even motion sensing, it's just responding to the pressure of your hand across the grid of the screen. It's the same thing as a mouse only you use your finger. That's not new, it's not innovative and it has no where to go, it can't get any better than it currently is.

The reason IBM is using the cell processor in their super computers is because they are the ones who designed it. Sony helped IBM with some of the cost, but IBM is the one that actually created the cell processor, sony just uses it.

Home is a ripoff of Mii's and mostly second life; saying otherwise is beyond ignorant and is borderline retarded. You don't even acknowledge that Sony is ripping off everyone it can, you just say it doesn't matter because everyone else does it. In reality, everyone rips off Nintendo; they adapt Nintendo's innovations well, but Nintendo is the only company actually making any. Adapting Nintendo's innovations improves the quality of all gaming, so I don't mind that others copy Nintendo's changes to gaming, but fucking own up to it for once.

Your definition of "innovation" is an upgrade, plain and simple. You want evolutionary changes to gaming, just more of the same with a little better performance each time; that's not innovation. The PS3 is a big upgrade on the PS2, but not innovative because it does the exact same thing, just much better.
 
Oh, thought this was interesting:

As for losing GTA IV, Harrison said that the PlayStation 3 was not suitable to be the exclusive home of Rockstar's upcoming title. "I don't think PS3 has the install base to support Rockstar's investment in GTA IV on its own," Harrison told the assembled bloggers. The first next-gen Grand Theft Auto game likely cost Rockstar considerable money and development time. That being such, it couldn't have sold enough copies on PS3 alone to make exclusivity worthwhile. In the future, as the number of PS3s in homes grows, it should become easier to nab major exclusives.
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Source: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/771/771737p1.html

Yeah, even the Sony execs are starting to admit they're not doing well. They're hoping for the future, but it's not looking likely.
 
Skaw said:
Xavix uses IR and Optical sensors. That's not motion sensing. It's Motion detecting. The external sensors are picking up the movements of the "controller." The hardware is more of a combination an Optical Mouse and Laser Trip system. The only comparison(hardware-wise) is that they both allow for wireless play. The Xavix sensor bar/camera/what the fuck ever is essential for picking up everything. The Wii "sensor" bar... Which is just an IR emitter, it doesn't actually recieve anything. Thats all done from the Remote and the Console... is just for cursory positioning, which is why it's so easily replaced by things like candles and TV Remotes. The Wii Remote picks up IR and triangulates the angle so that it "points" at your TV accurately.

Basically thats what it comes down to. Xavix works entirely because of external hardware, nothing is actually sensed, it's all detected. Where as the Wii is all internal, with the results transmitted to the console.

You could effectively play a Wii Game without the bar, or makeshift replacement. So long as it doesn't require aiming/pointing at anything.

Just because something plays the same doesn't mean it operates the same. Otherwise why not claim the Nintendo Zapper as being motion sensitive?
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From what I read that's not how the Xavix actually works. It's got internal as well as external and it does more than pointing. The Xavix does everything that Wii sports can do, in fact every wii sports game came out on the xavix back in 2004.

Tagrineth said:
You mean IBM?
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Joint venture.

Bajaratt said:
The advancement is in the gesture recognition, that's really the only way to improve on motion sensing technology, make it able to detect much more natural and unique movements. The IR-break recognition technology in the Xavix games is "last-gen," the accelerometers in the wiimote are the latest technology because they've been working with developers for the last 4 years to make it work. Considering how much you confuse the different forms of motion sensing technology, I'm not really surprised by just how wrong you are, but seriously just give it a rest; you're wrong, accept it already.
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Not really, that technology has been around for years. They've been working on making it cheap for mass production and getting developer support for it.

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Touch screen technology isn't new, it's been around a hell of a lot longer than the technology in the wiimote. There's also no where they can go with touch screens, no way to improve upon the technology so it can do something else. Hell, it's not even motion sensing, it's just responding to the pressure of your hand across the grid of the screen. It's the same thing as a mouse only you use your finger. That's not new, it's not innovative and it has no where to go, it can't get any better than it currently is.
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You obviously have no idea what the fuck is actually going on in the industry in terms of the edge of new innovation. The fact that you think the Nintendo Wii is a technological innovator is a testament to this. The only innovation that's been a notable jump in a system is that the Cell happens to be first appearing in the PS3. I don't consider Blu-ray innovative in the PS3, it's been around. They're just the first person to stick it in a console.

Motion sensors isn't innovative, it's not even new to a console, it's just the first time it's been mass produced with that particular level of sophistication. Nintendo didn't invent it, they just used it. That's fine, but Sony was part of actually inventing the Cell, and the PS3 is the first thing to use it. That's actual technical innovation. That's actually pushing technology forward.

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Home is a ripoff of Mii's and mostly second life; saying otherwise is beyond ignorant and is borderline retarded. You don't even acknowledge that Sony is ripping off everyone it can, you just say it doesn't matter because everyone else does it. In reality, everyone rips off Nintendo; they adapt Nintendo's innovations well, but Nintendo is the only company actually making any. Adapting Nintendo's innovations improves the quality of all gaming, so I don't mind that others copy Nintendo's changes to gaming, but fucking own up to it for once.
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Home has been in development for years. You just heard about it a week ago, they're going beta next month, you think they just built it yesterday? Miis, I don't even understand how they're in consideration. If you want to say that they're ripping off second life, alright. And second life ripped off Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash, Sony's own Everquest and about a billion sci fi concepts. Miis aren't even part of the equation. Miis are nothing. Miis are useless. Home avatars don't even resemble miis, aren't used in a similar way, and Mii's by your logic are a rip off of sony's avatars back in the original everquest. You know, the very first MMORPG, perhaps you've heard of it?

Bajaratt said:
Your definition of "innovation" is an upgrade, plain and simple. You want evolutionary changes to gaming, just more of the same with a little better performance each time; that's not innovation. The PS3 is a big upgrade on the PS2, but not innovative because it does the exact same thing, just much better.
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Innovation is something "new." Motion sensors aren't new. The wiimote isn't new technology. Typically, console hardware isn't innovative. It's cheap, mass produced and standardized. Besides the cell chip, not much technology has debuted on a gaming console.

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Oh, thought this was interesting:



Source: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/771/771737p1.html

Yeah, even the Sony execs are starting to admit they're not doing well. They're hoping for the future, but it's not looking likely.
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Old news. For the gigantic production costs of GTA4, neither console would have had the install base to support it alone. You have to take into account it's going to actually sell some PS3s to people who are looking for a reason to upgrade from last gen and don't like Microsoft(the entire world minus America). We're talking about an extremely small slice of the pie they're dividing a gigantic budget for. Just making something next-gen cuts out user base, after all, even now the PS2 is owning the Xbox360 and PS3 put together.
 
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