PS3 price cut coming.

There are 2 different statements to be made:

A) Blu-ray is not worth 5 times the price of upscaling a regular DVD.
B) Regular DVD is not quite as good as Blu-ray.

These are vastly different statements in implication. One states that Blu-ray is potentially much better but not 5 times better, another states they're nearly the same but one is a little better than the other.


You wouldn't say 50 cents "isn't quite" a dollar.

"Isn't quite" implied they're near.

You made a dumbass statement.

I called you out on it.

Get over it.



By the way.

The far dumbest thing.

Is the guy who buys a high def TV just to cheap out on a media player and upscale regular DVDs.

It's like the people who buy high def TVs, high def players and connect them with S-Video cause they think that's the high def cord. At least they have an excuse, nobody told them any better. You're just dumb.

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Oh yeah, your graph states that 2/3rds of the blu-ray from DVDs are just the improved resolution. Since improved resolution is all that matters, i guess between PS1 and PS2 games getting upscaled via PS3 the best system out there is PS3 just off game upscaling by your logic.
 
There are 2 different statements to be made:

A) Blu-ray is not worth 5 times the price of upscaling a regular DVD.
B) Regular DVD is not quite as good as Blu-ray.

These are vastly different statements in implication. One states that Blu-ray is potentially much better but not 5 times better, another states they're nearly the same but one is a little better than the other.


You wouldn't say 50 cents "isn't quite" a dollar.

"Isn't quite" implied they're near.

You made a dumbass statement.

I called you out on it.

Get over it.
And yet you're still considering yourself smart for not figuring out a tutorial, but I'm making a dumbass statement for saying that upscaling isn't as good as blu-ray. Yeah, just keep thinking that.


By the way.

The far dumbest thing.

Is the guy who buys a high def TV just to cheap out on a media player and upscale regular DVDs.

It's like the people who buy high def TVs, high def players and connect them with S-Video cause they think that's the high def cord. At least they have an excuse, nobody told them any better. You're just dumb.
Yes, because not caring to blow money on something that's not worth the price is totally the same thing as factually wrong.

You're wrong, by the way. The dumbest thing is buying the newest product as soon as it comes out, regardless of price, quality, or guaranteed livelihood and then thinking you're somehow smarter for making that decision. Smart people wait until the second generation so that the technology is stabler and cheaper. You're pissing your money away just to brag that you got it first. That's called being stupid with money.

I'm sure I'm going to get a high definition DVD player eventually, but it'll be in at least 5 years when whichever format wins finally wins some fucking marketshare(lol @ 0.01% or whatever they're at now) and the price is actually worth getting. Until then, spending a small fraction of the price on a player that will improve the quality of every DVD I own to high-definition is an exceedingly better idea and a far more effective use of my money.
 
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Oh yeah, your graph states that 2/3rds of the blu-ray from DVDs are just the improved resolution. Since improved resolution is all that matters, i guess between PS1 and PS2 games getting upscaled via PS3 the best system out there is PS3 just off game upscaling by your logic.
And now your intelligence just reached a new low. In case you didn't notice, I said it was a crappy graph, the sole purpose of which was to illustrate that upscaling is a significant improvement over normal definition; but not as good as blu-ray. The fact that you're acting like it was a real graph is beyond pathetic.

It was a visual aid for the learning impaired, but apparently not even that was enough to help you. Next time I'll try sock puppets.
 
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And yet you're still considering yourself smart for not figuring out a tutorial, but I'm making a dumbass statement for saying that upscaling isn't as good as blu-ray. Yeah, just keep thinking that.

I know this is the internet and it's considered underwhelming to boast about your "real life" self, but the matter of the fact is, I consider myself smart because I've actually been tested from a young age and fall into the genius range. This is not to say I'm infallible and sometimes I'll be unable to figure out a puzzle simply because I wasn't able to. However I can distinguish between being blocked by a complex puzzle that a superior intellect would have been able to decipher and a puzzle that merely required someone with time to waste fucking around a boring, low resolution Zelda town talking to random NPCs and running around in random corners until I got lucky. Since we can already agree that this puzzle wasn't complicated in understanding... "some NPC wants whatever the fuck that goblin was holding, find some spot to be standing and pressing A to get that item"... then we can deduce it falls into the other category.





Yes, because not caring to blow money on something that's not worth the price is totally the same thing as factually wrong.

No, it's dumb to spend the money on a HDTV when you're unwilling to spend money on a high def player. Just like it'd be dumb to buy a high def player and then be too cheap to buy the high def cables. In order to get what you're putting your cash into, you need something of that high definition standard through every step of your setup.

You need high def content in a high def device, going through high def cables into a high def TV. Missing one, the others are a waste of money. You had the genius foresight apparently to buy the most expensive fucking piece of the chain, the high def TV, and then cheap out and use a DVD player with upscaling to "outsmart all those idiots."

Good job.

You're wrong, by the way. The dumbest thing is buying the newest product as soon as it comes out, regardless of price, quality, or guaranteed livelihood and then thinking you're somehow smarter for making that decision. Smart people wait until the second generation so that the technology is stabler and cheaper. You're pissing your money away just to brag that you got it first. That's called being stupid with money.

Blu-ray is a guaranteed format winner. I knew it was a guaranteed format winner the second it was integrated with the PS3. One Christmas of PS3 without supply restrictions and it'll be so overwhelming HD DVD will pack up its shit and leave. To top it all off I got it integrated into my gaming system, and it was the cheapest blu-ray player on the market, while being considered one of the best.

I could wait 2 years to save a few hundred bucks. Then again you can wait a few years and get all your favorite Wii games for 20 bucks. what's your point? I want the things I want and I can afford to buy them now. If you can't afford the same, deal with that on your own time instead of wasting my time with this console war bullshit.

Quality is well known by now. I know what every tier of blu-ray movies look like and I know the tier of every movie before I buy it. I know what quality audio to expect and what features I'll be getting.

I'm sure I'm going to get a high definition DVD player eventually, but it'll be in at least 5 years when whichever format wins finally wins some fucking marketshare(lol @ 0.01% or whatever they're at now) and the price is actually worth getting. Until then, spending a small fraction of the price on a player that will improve the quality of every DVD I own to high-definition is an exceedingly better idea and a far more effective use of my money.

I'd love you to come here and give me your promise you won't buy a high definition movie player until at least 2012. Put it down on your honor, or whatever the fuck it is that you wouldn't want to lie. This time next year when you see a $200 dollar Blu-ray player or the year after that when you see a $300 PS3 and that FF13 you've been itching to play, I want you to remember this argument and be too proud to buy it.

That really would make me happy.

And now your intelligence just reached a new low. In case you didn't notice, I said it was a crappy graph, the sole purpose of which was to illustrate that upscaling is a significant improvement over normal definition; but not as good as blu-ray. The fact that you're acting like it was a real graph is beyond pathetic.

It was a visual aid for the learning impaired, but apparently not even that was enough to help you. Next time I'll try sock puppets.

I would have assumed you were citing the fact that the graph itself was crude and shitty looking, admittedly a fact that was quite apparent, not that you were citing your inability to represent relative percentages of value through the concept of...

-100 %
-75%
-50%
-25%
-0%

That really must have been way over your head. I will give you a silent round of applause though for trying to master what many 10 years olds struggle with, maybe you can ask them for pointers when you trade pokemon with them.
 
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Here's a crappy graph for those who can't read:

Blu-Ray ($500)
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Upscaling ($100)
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Standard Def DVD player ($30)

Except, comming from someone who owns all 3 of the things you're talking about here, that you're in correct.

On an LG 42" 1080p TV, it goes somthing like this:

Blu-Ray
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Upscaled DVD
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Standard DVD

Upscaled DVD IS better, but its not Blu-Ray, and yes, it is 400$ better, and if i didn't already have a PS3, i'd buy a Blu-Ray player. But I do.
 
Not wanting to read this whole thread...is this price cut thing official? The new gamefaqs poll makes it seem like it is xD
 
Yes it is official. It is supposed to be in effect on the 12th or so but some stores are already selling them at $499.

I hate the internet.
 
A few Targets are selling the PS3 for $499.99. If there is a Best Buy near one of those Targets you could probably get the PS3 for even cheaper than that. From what I've read not ALL Targets currently sell the PS3 for $499, though.
 
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I know this is the internet and it's considered underwhelming to boast about your "real life" self, but the matter of the fact is, I consider myself smart because I've actually been tested from a young age and fall into the genius range.
Ironically, same here; but I'm not the one saying that the game was wrong just because I couldn't figure out a simple puzzle.

This is not to say I'm infallible and sometimes I'll be unable to figure out a puzzle simply because I wasn't able to. However I can distinguish between being blocked by a complex puzzle that a superior intellect would have been able to decipher and a puzzle that merely required someone with time to waste fucking around a boring, low resolution Zelda town talking to random NPCs and running around in random corners until I got lucky. Since we can already agree that this puzzle wasn't complicated in understanding... "some NPC wants whatever the fuck that goblin was holding, find some spot to be standing and pressing A to get that item"... then we can deduce it falls into the other category.
You're blaming the game because you couldn't figure out a simple puzzle. If you weren't trying to shove any and all blame onto the game, rather than just admit you got stumped and it was your fault. There are some completely unintuitive puzzles in some games, you have to talk to this NPC/book/drawer to get what you need without any idea that you're supposed to. The Zelda puzzle where you get the basket away from the monkey(it's a monkey, not a goblin) is not one of those puzzles. You had everything you needed to solve the puzzle; your unwillingness to change the camera angle or explore 20 feet from where you find the first hawk grass is not a flaw in the game, but in yourself.

Blaming everyone but yourself for your mistakes is not the sign of the genius you claim to be; it's the sign of an immature kid. You got stumped, it happens to everyone; get over it and take some responsibility.

No, it's dumb to spend the money on a HDTV when you're unwilling to spend money on a high def player. Just like it'd be dumb to buy a high def player and then be too cheap to buy the high def cables. In order to get what you're putting your cash into, you need something of that high definition standard through every step of your setup.

You need high def content in a high def device, going through high def cables into a high def TV. Missing one, the others are a waste of money. You had the genius foresight apparently to buy the most expensive fucking piece of the chain, the high def TV, and then cheap out and use a DVD player with upscaling to "outsmart all those idiots."

Good job.
DVD players aren't the only source of high definition content, despite what you seem to think. I rarely watch my DVD's, even though I have a few hundred, so spending $500 on a blu-ray player that I would rarely use is a huge waste of money. I'd get far more use out of an HD cable box or a PS3/360 than I would through any DVD player.

Not using a HD cable to connect stuff is significantly more stupid than not wanting to spend a lot of money on something that I will not use very often.

Blu-ray is a guaranteed format winner. I knew it was a guaranteed format winner the second it was integrated with the PS3. One Christmas of PS3 without supply restrictions and it'll be so overwhelming HD DVD will pack up its shit and leave. To top it all off I got it integrated into my gaming system, and it was the cheapest blu-ray player on the market, while being considered one of the best.
And yet it's not outright beating HD-DVD, with everything blu-ray has going for it, it should have crushed HD-DVD by now. It's failing, just failing less than HD-DVD. HDtv's make up a small portion of the market, and therefore so will blu-ray players; that's what you never seem to understand. In a few years, as more people buy HDtv's, then the new format

I could wait 2 years to save a few hundred bucks.
So you can wait to spend your money wisely, but when I say I want to do the exact same thing, that makes me stupid? Hello double standards.

I'd love you to come here and give me your promise you won't buy a high definition movie player until at least 2012. Put it down on your honor, or whatever the fuck it is that you wouldn't want to lie. This time next year when you see a $200 dollar Blu-ray player or the year after that when you see a $300 PS3 and that FF13 you've been itching to play, I want you to remember this argument and be too proud to buy it.

That really would make me happy.
This is just stupid. 5 years is obviously an estimation, although it's a lot closer than sony thinking they'll overtake DVD in 3 years. When blu-ray players get to be a comparable price to upscaling DVD players, I'll buy one. That's not going to happen for a few years though. Expecting me to promise that I'm not going to buy something for X amount of time is retarded.
 
It's not an unwise decision to buy something early. I don't really see why you're even trying to argue that it's stupid to buy something at launch date when you know you'll enjoy it or make use of it from day one. I guarantee you that I play my PS3 more than my roommate plays his Wii. Hell, he plays my PS3 more than his Wii. But I guess we're both stupid for buying our consoles at launch.

But whatever; I'll keep enjoying something I bought on launch with the knowledge that I'm an idiot for buying it early. I guess I'm also stupid for not waiting to buy the majority of my games in a used state for $20 rather than just buying them brand new for $60. Either that or I'm not poor and live in an upper middle class environment.

His whole point about waiting a couple of years to save money is to mock you for saying that it's stupid to buy something early. The whole concept of waiting just to save a few bucks is stupid, unless you're waiting a short time... like maybe a week or so. I think the price difference of $300 or $400 to play something several years before I could have if I was waiting is definitely worth it. I bought a Sega Saturn at a flee market for $20 about five years ago; I sure owned those idiots who payed several hundred dollars for it!

Smart people buy things with warranties, not wait for another generation. If you know you want something and have enough reason to get it just get it instead of waiting. Don't be dense.
 
It's not an unwise decision to buy something early. I don't really see why you're even trying to argue that it's stupid to buy something at launch date when you know you'll enjoy it or make use of it from day one. I guarantee you that I play my PS3 more than my roommate plays his Wii. Hell, he plays my PS3 more than his Wii. But I guess we're both stupid for buying our consoles at launch.

But whatever; I'll keep enjoying something I bought on launch with the knowledge that I'm an idiot for buying it early. I guess I'm also stupid for not waiting to buy the majority of my games in a used state for $20 rather than just buying them brand new for $60. Either that or I'm not poor and live in an upper middle class environment.

His whole point about waiting a couple of years to save money is to mock you for saying that it's stupid to buy something early. The whole concept of waiting just to save a few bucks is stupid, unless you're waiting a short time... like maybe a week or so. I think the price difference of $300 or $400 to play something several years before I could have if I was waiting is definitely worth it. I bought a Sega Saturn at a flee market for $20 about five years ago; I sure owned those idiots who payed several hundred dollars for it!

Smart people buy things with warranties, not wait for another generation. If you know you want something and have enough reason to get it just get it instead of waiting. Don't be dense.
Buying something early isn't stupid, my point is buying something early just because it's early and then thinking everyone else should do exactly the same is. It's only smart to buy early if you're really going to make use of the product; if you're not, then buying early is stupid and a poor use of money. If you can use it enough to justify the high initial price tag, great; but don't act like everyone is exactly the same way.

I bought my Wii at launch, I don't consider myself stupid for doing so(because I've played the hell out of it already), but at the same time I don't think that everyone should buy one or that they're stupid for not getting one. The difference is, that I'm not calling someone an idiot for wanting to hold off on buying until either A), they'll get more use to justify the high price or B) the price drops enough that even with a low use it's still worth the money.

It's a simple cost/benefit ratio, right now the costs of buying a blu-ray player vastly outweight the benefits I'd get from one. Later, if I start watching more DVD's or if the price drops enough, that ratio will have shifted and it will become a more intelligent purchase. Intelligent people do this all the time, that's what makes them intelligent. Stupid people throw their money away by buying something they don't need just because it's new. You use your PS3 enough to justify the price right now , great; but not everyone will and there's nothing stupid about waiting until you will before you buy, regardless of what the "genius" Firestreak thinks.
 
Ironically, same here; but I'm not the one saying that the game was wrong just because I couldn't figure out a simple puzzle.


You're blaming the game because you couldn't figure out a simple puzzle. If you weren't trying to shove any and all blame onto the game, rather than just admit you got stumped and it was your fault. There are some completely unintuitive puzzles in some games, you have to talk to this NPC/book/drawer to get what you need without any idea that you're supposed to. The Zelda puzzle where you get the basket away from the monkey(it's a monkey, not a goblin) is not one of those puzzles. You had everything you needed to solve the puzzle; your unwillingness to change the camera angle or explore 20 feet from where you find the first hawk grass is not a flaw in the game, but in yourself.

The puzzle in itself is not complex. The only game period that actually challenges me in terms of intellectually is Go!Sudoku which I downloaded off the PSN.

Games try to throw in puzzles to mix up the repetitive nature of their gameplay.(Zelda) Sometimes it's implemented well, like for example the old Lufia games. It's implemented well because it's short, to the point and on the screen they'll show you everything you need to figure it out.

Other games throw out puzzles that require simple stubbornness to complete the puzzle so you can move on to the next area. These for all I know they put in there to help sell strategy guides.

Some puzzles are there to try and make you think fast, for example the bomb defusing tasks in the Spiderman 3 game. Trying to complete a circuit is a lot harder when you have 12 seconds to do it and a very narrow time range to move each switch. These can add difficulty by merely making you do a simple thing very quickly.

The kind of puzzle that requires finding a specific spot, such as whatever it is that's required to launch a bird, with no hint that there was more than one spot given and a pointless island seemingly hinting a method to jump on the ledge directly to the money(, or whatever the fuck it is, who really cares), is going to fall under to "be stubborn and get it done" category. There is no satisfaction gained from completion except the joy of not having to be doing the stupid puzzle anymore.

Blaming everyone but yourself for your mistakes is not the sign of the genius you claim to be; it's the sign of an immature kid. You got stumped, it happens to everyone; get over it and take some responsibility.

Intelligence and maturity are not the same thing, though I contend the puzzle itself was flawed.


DVD players aren't the only source of high definition content, despite what you seem to think. I rarely watch my DVD's, even though I have a few hundred, so spending $500 on a blu-ray player that I would rarely use is a huge waste of money. I'd get far more use out of an HD cable box or a PS3/360 than I would through any DVD player.

If you barely watch DVDs maybe you shouldn't have invested in several hundred. I'll spend up to $25 bucks on blu-rays(if I see what I want in a store, normally I'll order them online for cheaper) but I'll actually watch them a few times.

As far as your preferences tilt, that you have so little interest in watching movies that you consider a HDTV a good investment without a media player for it, I'd say it's merely proof this is a rather pointless argument. Like most people with HDTVs, I like watching movies in HD. It's about as dumb as me and you talking about the value of Wii with myself indifferent to the concept of motion sensor controls. Nintendo wants my respect? Make games that everyone wouldn't agree suck ass if they were played on a wavebird controller.

And yet it's not outright beating HD-DVD, with everything blu-ray has going for it, it should have crushed HD-DVD by now. It's failing, just failing less than HD-DVD. HDtv's make up a small portion of the market, and therefore so will blu-ray players; that's what you never seem to understand. In a few years, as more people buy HDtv's, then the new format

Pay attention more. It's destroying HD DVD and the margin grows every month. The PS3 userbase is growing slow compared to the the Wii but it's completely eclipsing HD DVD players. This fall what's coming here in North America? Heavenly Sword, Lair, Ratchet and Clank, Folksoul, Haze, Uncharted, and there are rumors Killzone and MGS4. No doubt GTA will sell more on 360 but it'll also move some PS3s. The difference here is that 360 sales aren't HD DVD sales, every PS3 is a new blu-ray player. So even if PS3 doesn't leave 2007 with 9 or 10 million units sold, even with a disappointing Christmas HD DVD is still dead meat.

To top it all off, who is going to buy a HD DVD player now? The only sales are movies not hardware from the early adopters. If some overly cautious people are afraid of blu-ray success, people are fucking terrified to buy HD DVD. The only people getting it are people who aren't even aware there's a format war going on.


So you can wait to spend your money wisely, but when I say I want to do the exact same thing, that makes me stupid? Hello double standards.

Listen up Marilyn vos Savant, my point is that the point of being early adopter is that you're willing to pay more money to get it immediately. Furthermore, if people didn't buy systems until the prices lowered... well, there'd be much slower actual technological advancement of any mass produced products.


This is just stupid. 5 years is obviously an estimation, although it's a lot closer than sony thinking they'll overtake DVD in 3 years. When blu-ray players get to be a comparable price to upscaling DVD players, I'll buy one. That's not going to happen for a few years though. Expecting me to promise that I'm not going to buy something for X amount of time is retarded.

Blu-ray is actually expanding faster than DVD did. Of course blu-ray offers a jump in higher resolution so people with high definition TVs are going to be inclined to see more value out of the purchase. DVD had to compete with VHS. DVD and Blu-ray aren't competiting in the same sense. There is obvious visual and audio superiority in one format than the other, and the Blu-ray owner owns a DVD player already and can play DVDs on his Blu-ray player.

On the other hand, Blu-ray has an actual competitor, HD DVD, whose nearing demise should ramp up its growth, and in circular motion, ramp up sales of PS3.
 
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If you barely watch DVDs maybe you shouldn't have invested in several hundred. I'll spend up to $25 bucks on blu-rays(if I see what I want in a store, normally I'll order them online for cheaper) but I'll actually watch them a few times.
I used to watch movies more often, now I just don't have the time. I still occasionally buy the movies I like on DVD for when I do have the time to watch one. I think the last DVD I actually bought was last year(Hebrew Hammer since my Jewish roommate had never seen it), the rest have all been gifts. That's actually where a decent chunk of my library comes from, I'll get a few DVD's for christmas, my birthday, or just a couple times throughout the year for lesser holidays or sales.

As far as your preferences tilt, that you have so little interest in watching movies that you consider a HDTV a good investment without a media player for it, I'd say it's merely proof this is a rather pointless argument. Like most people with HDTVs, I like watching movies in HD. It's about as dumb as me and you talking about the value of Wii with myself indifferent to the concept of motion sensor controls. Nintendo wants my respect? Make games that everyone wouldn't agree suck ass if they were played on a wavebird controller.
You're still thinking that DVD's are the only things that come in high definition. I'll get significantly more use out of an HD cable box and a DVR than a DVD player; on top of a 360/ps3 whenever I pick one of those up. Sony wants my respect? Stop expecting me to pay through the nose for technology I neither want nor need and expect me to feel grateful.

Pay attention more. It's destroying HD DVD and the margin grows every month. The PS3 userbase is growing slow compared to the the Wii but it's completely eclipsing HD DVD players. This fall what's coming here in North America? Heavenly Sword, Lair, Ratchet and Clank, Folksoul, Haze, Uncharted, and there are rumors Killzone and MGS4. No doubt GTA will sell more on 360 but it'll also move some PS3s. The difference here is that 360 sales aren't HD DVD sales, every PS3 is a new blu-ray player. So even if PS3 doesn't leave 2007 with 9 or 10 million units sold, even with a disappointing Christmas HD DVD is still dead meat.
I never said Blu-ray wasn't winning, I said blu-ray should have won the format war by now with everything it has going for it. Bragging about selling 30,000 units when HD-DVD only sells 10,000 in a week is a joke compared to the 1,000,000+ that DVD is moving. Blu-ray had the most going for it from the start, HD-DVD shouldn't have been a real obstacle for adoption

The only one out of that list I'm interested in is Ratchet and Clank. The rest are passing interests at best, and most aren't even that good.

Blu-ray is actually expanding faster than DVD did. Of course blu-ray offers a jump in higher resolution so people with high definition TVs are going to be inclined to see more value out of the purchase. DVD had to compete with VHS. DVD and Blu-ray aren't competiting in the same sense. There is obvious visual and audio superiority in one format than the other, and the Blu-ray owner owns a DVD player already and can play DVDs on his Blu-ray player.

On the other hand, Blu-ray has an actual competitor, HD DVD, whose nearing demise should ramp up its growth, and in circular motion, ramp up sales of PS3.
Blu-ray is only being adopted "faster" by the 10% of people with HDtv's, but it's slower when you look to the entire market and not just HDtv owners. DVD took hold practically overnight and had a direct competitor that still held ground; while as you've pointed out, HD-DVD isn't doing as well, so blu-ray should have been adopted even faster given it's lack of real competition. DVD had that "obvious visual and audio superiority" over VHS, along with greater durability and longer life span. It was unquestionably better than VHS in every way imaginable.

Blu-ray is an upgrade that's come too soon to get that kind of reception. Yes it's better, but since you HAVE to have an HDtv to receive any benefit from it; it's growth is automatically stunted. You need thousands of dollars to get the benefit of blu-ray, whereas with DVD you only had to spend a few hundred. About the only thing Blu-ray really has over DVD in terms of adoption rates is that you don't have to completely re-buy your library; since blu-ray players will play normal DVD's.
 
The reason HD DVD is hanging on is pretty simple. I've said this from months ago and it should be completely apparent at this point.

First off, HD DVD players are being sold at a loss... poorly. There's one major studio exclusively supporting them, Universal, and they're losing on sales as a result.

Now Toshiba can't win the market and therefore can't make a return on their investment in bleeding cash on selling at loss. To top it all off, they're spending hundreds of millions uselessly on advertising campaigns.

From a business perspective it would appear as if Toshiba and Universal had gone insane.

However you have to consider two things.

1) Microsoft doesn't actually want HD DVD winning shit. Microsoft wants digital distribution so it can get a cut out of every sale.

Toshiba gets royalties on the old standard def DVDs.

They both know they can't win.

But they both want to slow blu-ray, to prolong to life of DVD and to increase customer frustration with media. Hence Toshiba knowingly continues onward towards death while Microsoft helps cover their losses and pays out Universal for exclusivity.

All that needs to happen is blu-ray user base to reach the point where potential blu-ray sales are more than MS is willing to pay out and bam... Toshiba packs its back and goes home.

And for the record, Blu-ray is selling faster than DVD period, not out of HD DVD owners. DVD was around for a while before it picked up thanks largely in part to the Matrix release and PS2.

When DVD got popular, it shot up extremely fast. However it didn't have something like the PS3 to throw millions of players out within its first few months.

Blu-ray won't have that same huge spike as DVD had though, when suddenly everyone had one. However as it becomes the established brand and HDTVs continues to lower price, you'll see Blu-ray gain at a constant rate directly linked to the HDTV takeover.

At this point you can comfortably say Blu-ray has its penetration handled well before it actually overtakes DVDs. It's just a domino effect.
 
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I'm still not sure, what's heavenly sword supposed to be like? It looks like a GoW kinda game to me...
 
Heavenly Sword is GoW:Woman. BUT they made me not interested in the blood timer thing. I hate that shit... Your health is constantly decresing and you must kill to keep it up. Makes for lots of action but wtf if i just wanna walk and see some visual;; I just hate being rushed to next area, as HSword will be doing. I will buy the game, but its not going to change anything for PS3.
 
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