PS3 Robbery Suspect Shot to Death

Vandoura said:
When a person becomes a criminal stays criminal
You tell yourself thats the last time i'll rob someone, and next thing you know you go out there robbing people

I'm sorry he got shot and stuff, but first, he should never involved in any criminal act, and second, should never rob anyone in the first place and something like this won't happen, You can blame the police, you can't blame everyone but yourself.

Anything you do at present will have an effect in the future

example: Stright A's from 1st grade to 12th grade = You'll get into better college and hell a lot of scholorship later in in future

Always think ahead before you do anything

This post is completly wrong. I didnt say it was okay to rob the person. I think its wrong and he shouldnt have. But he didnt deserve to be killed over it.
Your first and second point are the same thing smart one. And he wasnt blaming anyone? wtf is that?
And No if someone robs or steals once that does not mean they will continue to do it. Plenty will probably, but not all of them. I stole some candy from a kid in 2nd grade...so I guess I will continue to steal and rob throughout the rest of my life right? ha.
 
Bustaballs said:
It's not Nazism. It's just an ancient way of thinking. Ages ago people would be sentenced to death for stealing a piece of fruit. A lot of cultures had "eye for an eye" in their justice system. I use to be somewhat satisfied with the evolution of the justice system in America until I heard about all the torture stuff .

Nazi's killed all the people they thought were ruining the world
Ele thinks everyone who she thinks is ruining the world should be killed.
I didnt say she was a nazi, I just said she acts like one just for different kinds of people.
 
chrishj19 said:
well thats just gross. You have a sick mind, I think you would have fit in very very well as a Nazi.

see, that's just retarded, nazi thinking was different. They based more on looks than anything. The jewish thing was more toward hitler's racist hatred cause the council that rejected his art work and admittence into the art school were jewish and most big business people were jewish before Nazi came to power.

I, on the other hand, just would like to see those bad people (not people of a particular different race, sex, age, religion, etc) that rape, kill, rob (not for reasons like getting medical supplies and food), assault, cheating.. those people.. they hurt others in so many horrible ways, physically and mentally. They're bad for the species. If you don't care about what's best for the species, so be it.. it'd be nice if they could all be saved, but most of them aren't going to change.. and when it comes to murderers, rapists, etc.. I think they don't deserve the life they were given. They took another's life (even if they didn't kill.. stole, rape, whatever, they still took away a better life from a person) and deserve to lose their own, torture, I think, would only be good to have because, who honestly would want to be tortured? It might keep some would-be murderers, rapists, etc from doing such things and that'll save people. Those who'd get tortured are those who already sinned, so it's not like they don't deserve suffering themselves.

And I hardly doubt I'm the only one who thinks that rapists, murderers, assaultists, robbers, etc all are bad for society and our species... if you think just cause your friend stole something that it's ok.. he's your friend, you're an idiot. Friend, family, or even yourself, you do such things, you're bad for the species and our society, you don't deserve to be human.

You have more faith in people and seem to think that almost anything is forgivable.. I don't have that kind of faith in those kind of people nor do I think they should be forgiven.. oh well
 
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Elemmire said:
see, that's just retarded, nazi thinking was different. They based more on looks than anything. The jewish thing was more toward hitler's racist hatred cause the council that rejected his art work and admittence into the art school were jewish and most big business people were jewish before Nazi came to power.

I, on the other hand, just would like to see those bad people (not people of a particular different race, sex, age, religion, etc) that rape, kill, rob (not for reasons like getting medical supplies and food), assault, cheating.. those people.. they hurt others in so many horrible ways, physically and mentally. They're bad for the species. If you don't care about what's best for the species, so be it.. it'd be nice if they could all be saved, but most of them aren't going to change.. and when it comes to murderers, rapists, etc.. I think they don't deserve the life they were given. They took another's life (even if they didn't kill.. stole, rape, whatever, they still took away a better life from a person) and deserve to lose their own, torture, I think, would only be good to have because, who honestly would want to be tortured? It might keep some would-be murderers, rapists, etc from doing such things and that'll save people. Those who'd get tortured are those who already sinned, so it's not like they don't deserve suffering themselves.

And I hardly doubt I'm the only one who thinks that rapists, murderers, assaultists, robbers, etc all are bad for society and our species... if you think just cause your friend stole something that it's ok.. he's your friend, you're an idiot. Friend, family, or even yourself, you do such things, you're bad for the species and our society, you don't deserve to be human.

You have more faith in people and seem to think that almost anything is forgivable.. I don't have that kind of faith in those kind of people nor do I think they should be forgiven.. oh well

Now im sorry but the fucking idiot who cant read. As I have said many times, not ONCE did I that these people are GOOD for society and not ONCE did I say that it was OKAY what he did. I agreed what he did was wrong dumbass. No your not the only one who thinks that shit is bad for society, I think it is too, everyone does. But to torture and kill somebody over stealing a ps3? Thats just sick.

And if you honestly think killing of millions or billions of people to make the society better then you again are a fucking idiot. You think the half of people who have never cheated or robbed or anything wouldnt care if so many people were TORTURED and EXECUTED? Ha you have very high dreams....chaos would break out everywhere and im sorry but that 'better society' you want would go down the drain along with the world.

And honestly, I dont think you can say losing a ps3 will take thier life away...unless your just that dependent on your video games.

And about your last paragraph...once again you fail at reading, I didnt say I think everything is forgivable. I think murdering someone deserves to be put to death also. However I think stuff like robbing and stealing is wrong and bad yes, but not to be tortured and executed over.

But you know what, you are much to sick for me, so im going to stop trying to make you less sick because its going nowhere, I just hope when you lose a friend someone tells you "Good riddance"

Sick bastard.
 
chrishj19 said:
Now im sorry but the fucking idiot who cant read. As I have said many times, not ONCE did I that these people are GOOD for society and not ONCE did I say that it was OKAY what he did. I agreed what he did was wrong dumbass. No your not the only one who thinks that shit is bad for society, I think it is too, everyone does. But to torture and kill somebody over stealing a ps3? Thats just sick.

And if you honestly think killing of millions or billions of people to make the society better then you again are a fucking idiot. You think the half of people who have never cheated or robbed or anything wouldnt care if so many people were TORTURED and EXECUTED? Ha you have very high dreams....chaos would break out everywhere and im sorry but that 'better society' you want would go down the drain along with the world.

And honestly, I dont think you can say losing a ps3 will take thier life away...unless your just that dependent on your video games.

And about your last paragraph...once again you fail at reading, I didnt say I think everything is forgivable. I think murdering someone deserves to be put to death also. However I think stuff like robbing and stealing is wrong and bad yes, but not to be tortured and executed over.

But you know what, you are much to sick for me, so im going to stop trying to make you less sick because its going nowhere, I just hope when you lose a friend someone tells you "Good riddance"

Sick bastard.

the torture is specifically for psychological reasons, I wouldn't want it truly manditory for all cases, it just needs to be out there so the fear would be enough to stop some of the cases of rape, murder, theft, etc. It might be sick but it works, don't underestimate the power of fear.

Robbers and such, you don't think they should die, fine.. so what would you do then? throw them in jail for a little while? So they come back out and steal more? It is statistically true that most who are thieves tend to continue thievary even if they have been in jail. So what.. keep them in a jail their entire lives? It's not a great place to be, true, cause of beatings they might get or anal rapings or whatever else.. but that seems like a waste of space, time, and money on those people. If my friend was murdered.. well why would that be good riddance? If he or she was murdered for raping, killing, or whatever other horrible things to another person, well damn right good riddance. Even if at one point they were a friend, they do something so horrible, good riddance. (and if you haven't notice, awhile back I did appologize cause I made a quick assumption that your friend did do it, that was wrong and wasn't prolly well thought since I had been up for so long when I posted that. If your friend really did nothing, then that's a shame, if he did, than yes, good riddance, and it would disgust me that you would play favorites just because he was/is a friend that you'd want some damn sympathy towards someone who has committed a horrible act).

Honestly.. it looks to me that you are saying "ya, robbers are bad, but if it's my friend, he should get a less severe sentance, cause well.. he was a good kid when I knew him!"
 
People need to learn that there are consequences for every single choice you make in your life; good or bad. If you willingly put yourself in a situation where things can go bad in a hurry, then you deserve everything that happens to you, regardless of the severity. If you didn't want things to come to that end then you should have made better decisions. And I don't buy all this BS that it's not their fault because of how they were brought up. That is a slap in the face to every single person who has risen above their circumstances and overcome whatever poor hand chance has dealt them in life. It doesn't take a rocket science to know the difference between right and wrong in 99% of the situations you will encounter in your life. Stop making excuses and start accepting responsibility. Should he have died? Probably not, but oh well. That's life. He should have made better choices in his life.
 
Valandil said:
People need to learn that there are consequences for every single choice you make in your life; good or bad. If you willingly put yourself in a situation where things can go bad in a hurry, then you deserve everything that happens to you, regardless of the severity. If you didn't want things to come to that end then you should have made better decisions. And I don't buy all this BS that it's not their fault because of how they were brought up. That is a slap in the face to every single person who has risen above their circumstances and overcome whatever poor hand chance has dealt them in life. It doesn't take a rocket science to know the difference between right and wrong in 99% of the situations you will encounter in your life. Stop making excuses and start accepting responsibility.

woot.. someone who understands consequences, responsibilities, circumstances, and all that.. so few truly do understand consequences and how almost everything really can have consequences (good or bad) and you should really give thought to all you do. Too many are just "let's go fuck, drink, smoke, etc!! JUST CAUSE IT'S FUN AT THE TIME!" with no thought to the consequences -_-
 
Elemmire said:
woot.. someone who understands consequences, responsibilities, circumstances, and all that.. so few truly do understand consequences and how almost everything really can have consequences (good or bad) and you should really give thought to all you do. Too many are just "let's go fuck, drink, smoke, etc!! JUST CAUSE IT'S FUN AT THE TIME!" with no thought to the consequences -_-

Except he said he shouldnt have died. I have been agreeing the whole time he deserved a consequence, just not as bad as torture and death as what you want.
Yeah he was my friend and he was a good person, but what he did was wrong and he deserved a punishment, I agree with all this. My whole argument though is that the punishment shouldnt be that he is killed. Unlike you who thinks everybody in jail deserves to be dead and all these other millions of people who have done anything like cheat deserve to be dead. You want these people dead, which is sick.
 
Ele is in no way like the nazis. Bamdam is thinking on a one-way street and almost any post that he quotes in this thred will begin with "This is all wrong." in some form or another.

This kid getting shot is a horrible mistake i'm guessing? Seriously, if he did steal something, then why try and run when police have your house surrounded? You say the cops scared his dog, so he ran after it to calm him down? That sounds kinda stupid to me...
 
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cokenn said:
Ele is in no way like the nazis. Bamdam is thinking on a one-way street and almost any post that he quotes in this thred will begin with "This is all wrong." in some form or another.

This kid getting shot is a horrible mistake i'm guessing? Seriously, if he did steal something, then why try and run when police have your house surrounded? You say the cops scared his dog, so he ran after it to calm him down? That sounds kinda stupid to me...

His house wasnt surrounded....they were at the front door and smashed it down for no reason which freaked his dog out.
 
Your friend had a ps3 controller in his hand, which if held in one hand has the general shape of a gun. And he was running to catch his dog.

Was your friend getting shot a tragic accident? Yes

Was it your friends fault? Yes

He could have been an excellent guy, but he committed assault and robbery, for a console no less. The cops probably busted down the door of a assault and robbery suspect, and the first thing they see is some kid moving across the room rapidly with something black in his hand in the general shape of a gun.
 
It's unfortunate but criminals getting shot is going to be a result of having a society with law and order. I feel sorry for any 18 year old to be shot to death but in the end he was just stupid to get himself killed over a 600 dollar piece of equipment. He might not have deserved to be killed but it was his own fault and trying to project blame outward of it towards people who don't sympathize with him is a mistake.
 
So he was more concerend about his dog running, than confronting the police and asking why the hell they busted down his door, even though he had nothing to hide?
 
In all likelihood, it plays out like this: Suspect was at home, playing his stolen PS3, when the cops come around. Brilliantly, he decides that if he doesn't come to the door, they can't come in, since they must just be here to question him right? I mean, there's no chance they could have a search warrant that removes the need for his permission to enter! So when they kick the door down, he's horribly surprised, his dog freaks out and attacks, and he runs out to the door holding an oblong black object in his right hand.

If I were the police officer and found myself in that situation.... I'd have shot him. And I wouldn't lose much sleep over it when I found out he had a PS3 controller and not a gun.
 
Well it's a damn good thing you aren't a police officer then.
 
Try and move this topic more on topic. The poor guy doesn't need people pounding into his head that his friend is a piece of shit. Cut the crap out before *I* turn nazi. ;p
 
Miros said:
Try and move this topic more on topic. The poor guy doesn't need people pounding into his head that his friend is a piece of shit. Cut the crap out before *I* turn nazi. ;p

<3 <3 <3
 
You guys are all fucked up, this kids friend died and you're ragging on him for a petty robbery? Fuck you all.
 
Dowzer said:
You guys are all fucked up, this kids friend died and you're ragging on him for a petty robbery? Fuck you all.

Nice to see someone out there has a heart.
 
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