QCDN's future without a Flameboard

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decidence said:
Hey maybe theirs a chance for you though, they don't really like people that hang out on QCDN though... so you might wanna stop posting here. They like people that don't have any touch of bad rep surrounding them from any event since this game came out.
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Does this sort of imply that those who frequent QCDN automatically have a touch of bad rep in game?

I realize there is mucho drama here on the Flameboard, but I always thought that the Flameboard, while a big part of QCDN, isn't the only thing QCDN is known for in game.

Is this not the case?
If not, what needs to be done to change this? The purpose of QCDN, as I see it, is not to be a drama pit. If that is how the majority of players perceives it, then something will need to be done about it.
 
Sculli said:
Does this sort of imply that those who frequent QCDN automatically have a touch of bad rep in game?

I realize there is mucho drama here on the Flameboard, but I always thought that the Flameboard, while a big part of QCDN, isn't the only thing QCDN is known for in game.

Is this not the case?
If not, what needs to be done to change this? The purpose of QCDN, as I see it, is not to be a drama pit. If that is how the majority of players perceives it, then something will need to be done about it.
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The problem is: The Internet never forgets.
 
Sculli said:
Does this sort of imply that those who frequent QCDN automatically have a touch of bad rep in game?

I realize there is mucho drama here on the Flameboard, but I always thought that the Flameboard, while a big part of QCDN, isn't the only thing QCDN is known for in game.

Is this not the case?
If not, what needs to be done to change this? The purpose of QCDN, as I see it, is not to be a drama pit. If that is how the majority of players perceives it, then something will need to be done about it.
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I visited the KI board for Quetzalcoatl, seems some ill feelings towards QCDN from there...
 
Basically the QCDN Flameboard makes everyone that posts there look bad because whether your right or wrong, no one knows who is telling the truth and everyone assumes the worst. I know several LS's that will no longer recruit people or have policies they strongly encourage against members posting on the QCDN Flameboard. I've also heard of many people being told to stay away from QCDN for these reasons because it seems that the less well known you are on QCDN the better your chances of getting into a reputable LS.

On top of all that QCDN is the main place people get prejudice laid upon them when they apply to join a linkshell. I can't count how many times I've seen "What do you think of so and so" "Ive seen his name on QCDN and I don't think many people like him on there" or someone who has come messaged me and told me they couldn't get into a LS because of their participation on the flameboard.

I've said it before and I will say it again... I think the worst part of a community that's supposed to get along to attempt to function at a higher level then Japanese LS's/Alliances is having a public peanut gallery of uninformed flamers that can attack someone whenever a person brings in-game drama out into the public in a form of "tattle-tale". The purpose of the flameboard seems like nothing more but a place you can relive your elementary school days where you could tattle-tale every thing you don't have the guts to say to someone's face to the teacher. Or plain old just wanna be a shitstormer that wants to ruin someone elses game enjoyment.
 
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Everlasting said:
The problem is: The Internet never forgets.
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Yes, that is indeed true. Once a reputation has been gained, it is extremely difficult, if not impossible to change it.

Honestly, this makes me sad.
I never meant for QCDN to be seen as 'undesirable'.
I spend considerable amounts of time working on this site in because I believe that it is a functional and valuable resource. Hearing otherwise is naturally quite a Debbie Downer.

I wouldn't value one QCDN user over another, but the lack of end-game shell participation on these boards is something that I have noticed and unable to do anything about because I don't play the game anymore and don't really have a good way to reach and talk with the end-game shell people. I did consider to buy the game just to get in touch with those players and get their opinions on what can and needs to be done to improve participation.

However, I just really do not have the time to do this.

I believe that QCDN can be a resource for all players. I believe that QCDN would have things to offer to end-game players, but along the same lines I have to say that some of the end-game players would have to drop their elitist attitude in order for this to work.

Far too many players see another player as their competitor, and not as their collaborator.

In either case, I rarely get any feedback on QCDN performance. Some people use it, some people like it, and some people just plain stay away. If I were to hear more from those who do not like it, more about why they do not like it, and more suggestions on how to improve it, then QCDN could be a much better place.
 
decidence said:
I've said it before and I will say it again... I think the worst part of a community that's supposed to get along to attempt to function at a higher level then Japanese LS's/Alliances is having a public peanut gallery of uninformed flamers that can attack someone whenever a person brings in-game drama out into the public in a form of "tattle-tale". The purpose of the flameboard seems like nothing more but a place you can relive your elementary school days where you could tattle-tale every thing you don't have the guts to say to someone's face to the teacher. Or plain old just wanna be a shitstormer that wants to ruin someone elses game enjoyment.
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Now that we have established that, what's your proposed solution?

Community or not, there will always be disagreement or conflict, and most people do not have the necessary knowledge/education/mental capacity on how to work conflict resolution in a civil manner.

Is the solution to just get rid of the Flameboard, and moderate all posts that deal with actual in game conflict in such a way that only civilized and factual discussion is allowed?
 
Sadly, the main part of QCDN is the flameboard, I know this is NOT the intention of the boards creators and admin, but it is what it has become, sadly the Quests board and Event scheduling boards get quite overlooked.

Would be interesting to see how folks would cope if flameboard was locked down for a week.
 
I don't see QCDN's reputation improving unless the drama stays off the flameboard or the flameboard is removed altogether. Without removing it altogether some of my suggestions...

1. No tattle-taling just to call someone out because your not getting your way! (work it out with that person in game).

2. No getting PERSONAL (Look at Shaw's thread on Kinkerbell... totally unacceptable).

3. No flaming of an entire linkshell for one persons lack of better judgement (refer to #1 for how to re-handle the situation).

To me the only reason it seems people flame eachother on the flameboard is to ruin a persons reputation in game because they couldn't get their way after trying to handle it in another manner (if they even tried).

I think a flameboard can operate perfectly fine and cleanly without flaming PEOPLE or LINKSHELLS. The only time a person should get flamed in my opinion is under a very serious circumstance that you have 100% legitimate proof for in forms of screenshots/video evidence and GM contact such as cheating, accounts stolen etc.
 
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This thread has been split from JDA thread. Let's continue to discuss QCDN related stuff here rahter than hijacking the JDA thread.
 
I also think QCDN without a flameboard would resault in significantly less Trafic, possibly have a ranting forum, but more regulations in the event it gets "Out of hand"
 
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Moriki said:
I visited the KI board for Quetzalcoatl, seems some ill feelings towards QCDN from there...
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Most of the ill feelings I've seen elsewhere have been 75% of the time from people who were run out of here on a rail for one reason or another.
 
The only problem with the flameboard is that there's no level of proof required to post there, and that the community doesn't want/need evidence to take sides. If we're going to use the shaw imposter example that was already brought up, you can see how quickly people were willing to jump all over the real shaw, but when he was proven innocent when the imposter situation was brought to light, there was hardly a proportionate number of apologies from the angry mob. I think the intent of the flameboard was that the community would collectively determine truth from BS, but the reality is, the community just wants to yell and scream with little (superficial at most) regards for real guilt.
 
I've posted a lot on the flameboard, but I wouldn't consider my repution "bad" because of it. Just posting on qcdn don't give you a bad reputation, its what you post that gives you a bad reputation, and possible what you do in-game that brings it to the flameboard.

The flameboard is a large part of QCDN, if you don't liek what's going on in there, simply don't post in it and stay away from it.
 
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I honestly have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
 
if you take away FB, it turns into the blugartr boards....flames under general discussion..
 
I honestly dont know what to do about the flameboard. Many times, there are people just out to defame a person out of spite. On the other hand, there are legitimate threads on there that bring about good discussion (sometimes). One of the biggest problems I see is when a thread is specific to something, and someone hijacks it and basically turns into a flame on a person (see besieged thread). There was a legitimate complaint about the system of besieged, but somehow its turned into a everyone vs. pere thread (Im not defending anyone). Basically it seems like the flameboard is cluttered with alot of posts that arent relevant to anything. Posts such as 'omg, he pwned u' that have nothing to do w/ anything.

When we recruit, we look for any red flags that might appear, and QCDN's flameboard is one of the places we look. However, this isnt the only criteria that we use for people joining, as a referral from someone already in the ls would outweigh this.
 
Sculli said:
I honestly have no idea what that is supposed to mean.
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That may or may not be for the best. lol
 
masterorion said:
if you take away FB, it turns into the blugartr boards....flames under general discussion..
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Agreed. And regarding proof...Who would be the judge of proof?
The mods do a good job.
Flames go to the FB.
I don't think any more needs to be done.
 
Flames can be kept out of the regular areas through moderation.
There could be a flameboard replacement that is for hated discussions in which profanity is allowed.

Proof is one issue, though in many cases it is not the absence of proof that is the problem, but the complete lack of basic argumentative skills.

Logic can't be argued, and if one's argument can't be backed up by logic, then it simply is not a good argument.
 
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