RDM category 2 merits

Nakato said:
Funny how people always forget about Poison II.
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I've heard 2 things about poison II

First that it was a static 3hp or 5hp(don't remember which) per tick which over time added up to 200dd total.

and a new one that the damage is based off of Enfeebling magic and gets stronger as you get higher...

BioIII max is 8hp a tick? It should outdo it in max DoT terms, unless it's possible to trump that with the Elemental DoTs.

I'm going to stick with the first one and say it's a static 200 dd total overtime, I haven't seen any noticeable increases in poison II's duration or damage dealt per tick so Bio III fully merited should outdo it; we aren't forgetting poison II's damage it's just assumed that it's used as well. Just as before Bio III came out people stacked Bio II and Poison II for solo.
 
Personally, I'm capping BioIII (speeds up solo fights tremendously) and SlowII (no brainer)
 
Poison II is 400 damage in the span of 2 minutes, 10/tic.
 
Necrosis said:
Personally, I'm capping BioIII (speeds up solo fights tremendously) and SlowII (no brainer)
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If you land a nuke consistently, on the mob you're soloing, it's actually better to stick with Bio II.

Assuming you land a 300+ DMG nuke every time, Blizzard III will outdo Bio III in terms of MP used. (This is not counting the initial damage of Bio III)

Every Bio III is 24 more MP than Bio II, for 60 more damage in 2 minutes.
A Blizzard III is 120 MP, which would land for 5-700+, unresisted.
5 x 2 minutes of Bio III use (added to the normal MP used from Bio II) is the same amount of MP as a Blizzard III, but only does 300 damage extra.

To me, Bio III is useless, unless you have a shitty nuke set, or if you're fighting something resistant to nukes/Poison II.

You can't really say it speeds up solo fight tremendously, unless it's something like Genbu/Seiryu. Even Zip doesn't resist your nukes 50% of the time. It actually gimps you.
 
Nakato said:
No, no it's not, it's straight up 10 damage per tic.
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Necrosis said:
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You didn't break it past the tier yet. Tests have been done, at Lv75 with enough Enfeebling skill, it'll be 10/tic. INT have nothing to do with Poison II.
 
Necrosis said:
well then that's not static, is it?
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This is a thread about merits, I'm talking level 75.

You said it was modified by an INT mod, and I'm telling you that it's not.
What exactly are you trying to prove?
 
Nakato said:
This is a thread about merits, I'm talking level 75.

You said it was modified by an INT mod, and I'm telling you that it's not.
What exactly are you trying to prove?
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I said I thought it was; you said it was static. I showed it wasn't static. If you said "it's static" with the qualifier "if you have enough enfeebling skill," then there wouldn't be any problems here.
 
pchan said:
NO. It's less then bio2 for sure lol.
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bio2 is 5/tick on rdm without dark skill gear iirc, can boost that up to 6/ realistically... poison2 is higher.
 
Nakato said:
Assuming you land a 300+ DMG nuke every time, Blizzard III will outdo Bio III in terms of MP used. (This is not counting the initial damage of Bio III)
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Am I missing something here? bio3(54MP)-8damage/3seconds, 90 seconds, 240 damage total=4.4damage/mp
blizzard III, 120mp, x damage
x/120>4.4
x>528

Nakato said:
Every Bio III is 24 more MP than Bio II, for 60 more damage in 2 minutes.
A Blizzard III is 120 MP, which would land for 5-700+, unresisted.
5 x 2 minutes of Bio III use (added to the normal MP used from Bio II) is the same amount of MP as a Blizzard III, but only does 300 damage extra.

To me, Bio III is useless, unless you have a shitty nuke set, or if you're fighting something resistant to nukes/Poison II.
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I see what you're saying. But it's not like casting poison II, blizz III, and bio3 are mutually exclusive events; it's a quick cast, too. I don't think you'd be able to depend on nukes on everything, either.
 
Necrosis said:
Am I missing something here? bio3(54MP)-8damage/3seconds, 90 seconds, 240 damage total=4.4damage/mp
blizzard III, 120mp, x damage
x/120>4.4
x>528
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Pretty sure I said the damage it did over Bio II, if I didn't, I'm sorry.

What I was saying is: If you use Bio II when you can, Bio III would only be a 300 damage increase above it, in the span of 120 MP.

And you can land nukes on most things soloable, that does more than 300 damage (Of course, with some exceptions).
Necrosis said:
I see what you're saying. But it's not like casting poison II, blizz III, and bio3 are mutually exclusive events; it's a quick cast, too. I don't think you'd be able to depend on nukes on everything, either.
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With a decent nuke set, you should be doing 600+ per Blizzard III.
In soloing you'd have capped Ice merits(Cause of Bind/Paralyze/Blizzard III), which would make you able to nuke unresisted on most things.

Besides, Blizzard III doesn't take that long to cast, and you'd be timing it with your binds anyway. I've never had a problem with it. Wouldn't do Bio III, unless you'll be fighting REALLY resistant stuff (Like gods or Steam Cleaner/Olla, etc.).

And the last thing; Bio breaks your bind, and Bio II has the same duration as Poison II, which you'll want to keep up when you can anyway. It's much easier to time both of them, when one isn't running out sooner than the other, and even being the one that breaks Bind on cast. You won't have Bio III on as much as you'll have Bio II on.

Really just not a fan of Bio III. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

Edit: Also.. Bio II with +11 Dark Magic skill is 6/tic (Capped Dark Magic at Lv75), which is the highest a RDM can do for Bio II.

Bio III with.. I'm not sure how much +Dark Magic, but I can find out if you really care, is 8/tic.

Poison II, as I said, is 10/tic, at level 75 with capped Enfeebling skill.
 
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Nakato said:
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does bio2/poison2 last longer than a fully capped bio3? or not as long?
also, all my nuke set will be missing is morrigan's robe/legs damage-wise, i have hq staff, ele merits from blm, novio and stuff. so the nuke front is covered.
 
Necrosis said:
does bio2/poison2 last longer than a fully capped bio3? or not as long?
also, all my nuke set will be missing is morrigan's robe/legs damage-wise, i have hq staff, ele merits from blm, novio and stuff. so the nuke front is covered.
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bio2 and poison 2 are 2:00 while full merit bio/dia 3 is 1:30. Oh and yes poison 2 kills bumble bees in 3 ticks..
 
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