rdm melee debate continued

Status
Not open for further replies.
I ment to post "money where your mouth is..." sorry
 
It doesn't matter who does what to prove Hellstorm wrong. He will still continue with the badly geared comments or talk about how the Rdm didn't know how to melee properly and so on. It'll continue to be a never ending topic to Hellstorm because he is a fucking moron.
 
Myrrh said:
It doesn't matter who does what to prove Hellstorm wrong. He will still continue with the badly geared comments or talk about how the Rdm didn't know how to melee properly and so on. It'll continue to be a never ending topic to Hellstorm because he is a fucking moron.
Click to expand...

How do I click attack?
 
u guyz r jusst meen andont' undrstend wat helstrom iss al aboot
 
etchdog2000 said:
BTW, I actually have a group setup to do this with good gear.

I know he has:

Blau
Joytoy
Suppomimi
Dusk Gear
Aht Urgan Melee ring
Rajas
Click to expand...


You're kidding, right?

There's nothing there that a WAR can't use, (when did you last see a WAR in a Meripo using a Blau?) Add all the WAR gear that a RDM can't use, a WARs greater skill in mainhand weapon and that its a better damage weapon to begin with, the fact a WARs main hand has better WSs, and the fact that a WAR/NIN gets a heap of good offensive JAs, and a RDM/NIN gets none.

Even if you don't add a Ridill offhand, the WAR is so far superior to the RDM in all aspects, if the parse is close, the WAR isn't trying.
 
Courtney said:
You're kidding, right?

There's nothing there that a WAR can't use, (when did you last see a WAR in a Meripo using a Blau?) Add all the WAR gear that a RDM can't use, a WARs greater skill in mainhand weapon and that its a better damage weapon to begin with, the fact a WARs main hand has better WSs, and the fact that a WAR/NIN gets a heap of good offensive JAs, and a RDM/NIN gets none.

Even if you don't add a Ridill offhand, the WAR is so far superior to the RDM in all aspects, if the parse is close, the WAR isn't trying.
Click to expand...

Im confused, do you think I actually think RDM is actually worth a damn in melee? I just took this opportunity to have some fun with my RDM friend that likes to melee, and in the process maybe possibly by the grace of god shut him up? You obviously didnt read this thread too well if you think I think otherwise.
 
There's been so much dumb in this thread, it's getting hard to tell...
 
Neisan said:
Rappa, get to work on melee bard. Show Hell how it's done.
Click to expand...
Actually I would not doubt, they can prob do a pretty good dd as well.

Mishaela said:
You wanted a parse, theres a parse. And now you're saying "Well that RDM probably has bad gear, lol".

Seriously, what do you want? A 3-hour segmented Youtube of a RDM attempting to be a good melee then showing a parser displaying directly how badly the RDM sucks? Or is that still not enough because the video might be edited? Jesus...
Click to expand...
I would like serious parse. 41 battles and only 4.5k dmg, come now even if you was using a club you can get that much. Notice he didn't post the magic dmg, acc, crit rates, number swings vs misses all important data to authenticate if he put effort towards dding.

Dowzer said:
I tried Blau, Dusk Ledelsens, Dusk Trousers, Dusk Gloves, Swift Belt, Sniper's, Peacock Amulet, Amemet+1, etc. and even on EP Tonberries, it takes forever compared to my Thief...And a barely merited Thief at that. Hop on Ranger and all it takes is a Barrage > Slugwinder.
Click to expand...
Notice the gear you have there, there something major missing there attack and str. Trade PCA fr chiv chain, go with orge/pah feet, maybe Rutter Sabatons for ws. Legs nash seraweels (because magic acc helps en- resist) or Volunteer Brais.

etchdog2000 said:
BTW, I actually have a group setup to do this with good gear.

I know he has:

Blau
Joytoy
Suppomimi
Dusk Gear
Aht Urgan Melee ring
Rajas

We are also going to try and get him Swift Belt before we do this.

That should be more then good enough gear to "parse well"

We are going to give it a shot on next Monday. Will be happy to post gear used as well as the parse after we are done.
Click to expand...
That would not be to bad. Though remember that rdm bigs thing to overcome is str not haste. With blau and joy you should be already be hitting quicker then the avg dd. Also make sure your parse can pick up en- spells because a large amount of are dmg comes from them. Also remember that enhancing magic determines the max dmg of en- spells so a macro set for those spells would be suggested.(not just needs to be on when casted, not entire time.)
 
edit (note: just needs to be on when casted, not entire time.)
 
u tel em helstrom lol go git em lol u da man lol dd remd yes pleez
 
I have doubts about magic accuracy affecting enspells. Then again it could be same as spike spells being affected by magic attack bonus...

I wouldn't take the PCC off if I had it. at all. Period. Especially not with a B skill, unless maybe you have sea torque/gorget.
 
Battle Bard is where it's at!

rawrbattlebardda3.png


Ignore the lack of weapon. It was lame enough putting all this on in the first place. I didn't feel like taking heca harness off my mannequin so I just stood by it.
 
hellstorm said:
I would like serious parse. 41 battles and only 4.5k dmg, come now even if you was using a club you can get that much. Notice he didn't post the magic dmg, acc, crit rates, number swings vs misses all important data to authenticate if he put effort towards dding.
Click to expand...

protip: It doesn't matter how many battles it takes, you're still only going to do X/Nth damage compared to job Y.

The only thing that changes is how many numbers are in the values. It's not like you're comparing gears sets with other gear sets, where random values do matter a lot.
 
Also, what's magic damage have to do with meleeing? Are you trying to say that a portion of the RDMs total damage comes from nuking? Well, that doesn't help your cause at all.

And accuracy and critical rate don't matter much as well, since we're not talking about hit-for-hit damage comparison, but how much you're doing over time to the target.
 
Rappa said:
Battle Bard is where it's at!

rawrbattlebardda3.png


Ignore the lack of weapon. It was lame enough putting all this on in the first place. I didn't feel like taking heca harness off my mannequin so I just stood by it.
Click to expand...

runechoppereg0.jpg


Oh yeah.
 
Actually I would not doubt, they can prob do a pretty good dd as well.
Click to expand...
Are you shitting me?

hellstorm said:
I would like serious parse. 41 battles and only 4.5k dmg, come now even if you was using a club you can get that much. Notice he didn't post the magic dmg, acc, crit rates, number swings vs misses all important data to authenticate if he put effort towards dding.
Click to expand...
You obviously missed the part of the parse where the TOTAL damage dealt was listed; and the rdm had done half of the damage of the pet. The rest of that information would just be icing on the cake for proof that red mage melee sucks.

41 fights is more than enough to establish a basis for the job's performance against another. Red mage sucks at DD, get over it already.
 
I'mma buy that Axe for Smn just to confuse people. When asked about it I'll say "Dude, Smn can use this Axe. SE ment for us to Melee but the player base forced us into the back lines. I'm bringing Smn Melee back"
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top