rdm melee debate continued

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Lenneth said:
I honestly think hellstorms just trolling all of us for the years of verbal abuse about his spelling and typing. No one could compare them self to the Mahatma while saying that one of the most broken jobs in the game is being gimped by not lowering its overall usefulness (It's MP, Casting abilities, its powers to help others while weakening the mob) TO DO THE DAMAGE OF A UNMERITED THF WITHOUT DECENT GEAR OR SATA DE!? Jesus Christ what the fucks wrong with you? I'm actually feeling bad about writing this because I know your probably mentally retarded or you have some sort of mental condition, but this has to stop! As its already been said you do nothing but repeat yourself and give us bogus, proof less, crayon scribbles from the other melee rdm who thinks he's just the god of the game, when he's just as full of shit as you. And how could we forget Saevil, who I currently believe to be your alter ego or something "Doing this you become a "swiss army kniff" of the PT. Making significant
damage contribution while giving your backliners more breathing room."

Seriously, Parse it for yourself against GOOD players, not antdog's and other gimps who's names all escape me, or just shut the fuck up and leave. And you better have some damn good proof of your results if you do, I want to see the results of someone I can trust not to just make bullshit up for the greater good of people who should just quit the game everywhere.

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aww don't feel bad don't hurt me. Nice try though.
I don't repeat myself. I reword to reply to a post, and more so I have given several ways that a rdm can melee in a party. I also said that a rdm don't have to be the dd equivalent to be beneficial to the party. However if a person has to defend one self through half the thread could see why it look repetitive. Stop stretching what I say out of context and ill stop repeating.
 
hellstorm said:
aww don't feel bad don't hurt me. Nice try though.
I don't repeat myself. I reword to reply to a post, and more so I have given several ways that a rdm can melee in a party. I also said that a rdm don't have to be the dd equivalent to be beneficial to the party. However if a person has to defend one self through half the thread could see why it look repetitive. Stop stretching what I say out of context and ill stop repeating.
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edit: "repeating" as in what you would call repeating.
 
How much damage could you expect from nukes with no weapon/shield/range swaps? Not saying rdm melee is worth it mind you, but it might be able to drag Rdm out of the bottom of the barrel if you add nukes in if they're halfway worth it and don't cause you to have to rest in between converts. Basically, have them play pseudo blu...
 
Neisan said:
How much damage could you expect from nukes with no weapon/shield/range swaps? Not saying rdm melee is worth it mind you, but it might be able to drag Rdm out of the bottom of the barrel if you add nukes in if they're halfway worth it and don't cause you to have to rest in between converts. Basically, have them play pseudo blu...
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That wouldn't even be pseudo-blu. The damage wouldn't be as good not to forget the MP pool is going to be smaller because of having to replace mp gear with acc/atk+ gear you lose any MP+, MAtk+, Macc+, or INT/MND+ with having those slots used for melee. I still do not see why Hellstorm is thinking he's this uber melee. The nukes for sure would be out doing any DoT or straight up damage of a melee so they're better off nuking anyways if they aren't healing.
 
Neisan said:
How much damage could you expect from nukes with no weapon/shield/range swaps? Not saying rdm melee is worth it mind you, but it might be able to drag Rdm out of the bottom of the barrel if you add nukes in if they're halfway worth it and don't cause you to have to rest in between converts. Basically, have them play pseudo blu...
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RDM doesnt even have as high of Elemental Magic skill as a DRK. A RDM has to MB to get decent dmg usually. If you are going to have a RDM nuke to DD you may as well invite a BLM.
 
Eh, second to last is better than last. Still trash to be sure...


I honestly think Hell has been jiving us this entire time.
 
etchdog2000 said:
RDM doesnt even have as high of Elemental Magic skill as a DRK. A RDM has to MB to get decent dmg usually. If you are going to have a RDM nuke to DD you may as well invite a BLM.
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That's the whole point that Hellstorm's just too stupid to understand; any damage that a red mage could do is easily beaten by virtually every other job in the game. People invite red mages because of refresh and dispel, anything else they can easily do better with other jobs. They're already highly desired for just those two spells, but hellstorm wants the job to be so broken that it's the only thing that anyone plays anymore.
 
Like Magnus said, if you're trying to put out what damage you can on Rdm you should probably be nuking. More gear specified toward nuking or that enhances it's accuracy, a job trait that actually helps, and it's even on the AF piece you use the most.

Drk gets the bottom rung in spells anyway even with the higher skill (and won't swap to staff since they'll lose tp versus Rdm which while doing their job has none to lose). Pointless if you ask me.
 
Actually... as it stands rdm nuking is roughly on par with AF-less sch, especially since they have no JSE with magic accuracy+ or elemental skill+, and can't use Nashira.
 
bit of a nitpick, but it's not so much the elemental cap it's really the spell rdm has access to which stops at tier III, not so much elemental score itself in rdm's case(C+) elemental affects only the accuracy not damage

gear compensates for this but as baj said you'd invite a blm to do this better if this is the reason you need a rdm for it.

baj: at certain levels especially higher-merit mainhealing and debuffs are an necessity as well, and crowd control. although the most popular camps excluding eruca are colibri(regular tier and greater relect), jnun/imps(hard to debuff but not impossible)
 
Khidir said:
baj: at certain levels especially higher-merit mainhealing and debuffs are an necessity as well, and crowd control. although the most popular camps excluding eruca are colibri(regular tier and greater relect), jnun/imps(hard to debuff but not impossible)
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True, those were in my list of reasons why red mages get invited; but it's refresh and dispel that separate them from other mages.
 
Bajaratt said:
True, those were in my list of reasons why red mages get invited; but it's refresh and dispel that separate them from other mages.
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It is why we get invited.

The reason why we'll never get anything that will allow us to compete with a real mellee is related to our enfeebles though. A RDM is second to none in its ability to debilitate a mob. You don't get to see it in a meripo, because the mob dies so fast anyway, it isn't worth the MP. A fully RDM debuffed mob only has about 40% of the damage output of a normal mob.

That's one of the key's to RDM soloing. We survive really well, and we enhance that survival by weakening the mob greatly. (and that weakening is all due to RDM traits, which means we have this ability no matter what we sub). If a job could deal the damage of a real DD, and could also reduce the damage output of a mob to 40%, it would be so seriously broken it wouldn't be funny.

We have no mellee enhancing abilities though. We have no real damage weapons. We have few decent Weaponskills. We can use a lot of good gear, but still not as much as a real DD.

When you compete with a DD:
We are a long way behind on which types of weapons we can use. (Swords and daggers are at the top of damage dealing weapons).
We don't get the best weapons in these classes.
We have low skill in these weapons.
We are a long way behind on Job Abilities.
We are behind on mellee Gear.

on the plus side we get Enspells.


There is no job setup that can make up for all these minuses. You can (to an extent) close the gap in one area, but it only widens the gap in others. There simply is no way to catch up, no matter what some goose on Allah claims to the contrary.

If you do believe you have found the super RDM setup for mellee, just compare what a real mellee can do in those areas, and you'll see how far behind we truly are (which is why noone ever actually posts setups when they claim that they are great DDs).
 
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