rdm melee debate continued

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You'll NEVER see 20% damage versus DD that don't suck. Saying you parse 20% is saying you can keep up with a AH Nin, which, guess what? You CAN'T.

Never.


NEVER.


You've got to be kidding me. The rdm can improve his gear all he wants, he'll only see MAYBE 1-2% damage increase per serious upgrade, and that's about as good as it gets.


My point stands, if there's someone else taking care of haste/refresh/cure duties, the party could dump you and do better.
 
Saevel said:
you won't parse as high as the
-BIG- guys, but when they eat a fang rush, or a rushing stab, guess who their
crying for.
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Overflowing with egotism and ignorance. By this logic a WHM or SMN can bust out the club/staff and melee because when someone's hurt, it's their duty to heal, and the party is NUTHANG WITHOUT THEMM.
Pretty much nothing more than a jackass thinking he can do whatever he wants just because he's a high demand job.
 
Neisan said:
You'll NEVER see 20% damage versus DD that don't suck. Saying you parse 20% is saying you can keep up with a AH Nin, which, guess what? You CAN'T.

Never.


NEVER.


You've got to be kidding me. The rdm can improve his gear all he wants, he'll only see MAYBE 1-2% damage increase per serious upgrade, and that's about as good as it gets.


My point stands, if there's someone else taking care of haste/refresh/cure duties, the party could dump you and do better.
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I can say the same, prove it. Prove him wrong. How would you know? Rdm has never been seriously tested. It alway the same it can't because I say it can't. False fallacy over and over again. The #1 thing I'm trying to accomplish here is some true no BS test. Multiple cases of well equipped rdms in a merit scenarios.

To be honest I think half of you are scared of the consequences if rdm did turn out to be a good melee. You scared that you will get all these poor rdm that try to melee in mage gear. Your afraid more rdm will refuse to heal, therefor less healers lfp. Your afraid that the rdm motto jack of all trade is actually 100% true, that we can play any role. Most of all your afraid of change, and losing your spot in a party.

I'm not going to lie we have to work harder then a dd to melee. But so does a whm or a blm to enfeb, or smn to heal, or war to tank.
 
hellstorm said:
I can say the same, prove it. Prove him wrong. How would you know? Rdm has never been seriously tested. It alway the same it can't because I say it can't. False fallacy over and over again. The #1 thing I'm trying to accomplish here is some true no BS test. Multiple cases of well equipped rdms in a merit scenarios.
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Then fucking test it and shut the fuck up until you've done so.
 
Sharpe said:
Then fucking test it and shut the fuck up until you've done so.
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Even if I did you would still deny it. Starfox and others already has and none of you believe them, same would be if I did.
 
Neisan said:
You'll NEVER see 20% damage versus DD that don't suck. Saying you parse 20% is saying you can keep up with a AH Nin, which, guess what? You CAN'T.

Never.


NEVER.


You've got to be kidding me. The rdm can improve his gear all he wants, he'll only see MAYBE 1-2% damage increase per serious upgrade, and that's about as good as it gets.


My point stands, if there's someone else taking care of haste/refresh/cure duties, the party could dump you and do better.
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Now first off. I do not agree with Hellstorm, however I have to kinda disagree here.

If you took away the curing duty and the like for some WEIRD reason and let a Rdm strict melee DD, they can do okay.

With
Blau/Joyeuse
Tiphia Sting
W.Turban/O.Hat
Torque(I don't know which one is for Daggers)
Suppa/Brutal
SH(or perhaps that Pah.. armor. I'd look but somepage AND alla won't load for me. tards)
Dusk Hands
Sniperx2/Raja's
Amemet+1
Speed Belt(or Swift)
Dusk Trousers
Dusk Ledlesans

Macro in proper +enhancing for Enspells and You'd have some pretty good DD.

Or if feeling risque, toss on the Anelace+1 as /war and like Viking Shield, with the Sword Torque and vorpal things.

As Rdm/Nin on VT I could pop out 500-600 Eviscerations and in a PT I was bored and they were friends, I went /war and out DD'd a Pld(which says nothing I know but was still hilarious) by a huge margin.

I think you just need an IMMENSELY perfect geared Rdm merited to melee (8dagger, 8sword, 4crit, dex/str merits) to even keep up with a relatively mediocre dd, let alone some of the crazy bastards around here.

But hey, just a really long 2cents.
 
And anyone with comparable gear will do more. Nin for an example, has no double attack Katana to my knowledge, but doesn't need them due to Dual Wield IV.

Ignoring WS damage the Nin is attacking far more often for better damage per hit. It's no contest.
 
Neisan said:
And anyone with comparable gear will do more. Nin for an example, has no double attack Katana to my knowledge, but doesn't need them due to Dual Wield IV.

Ignoring WS damage the Nin is attacking far more often for better damage per hit. It's no contest.
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We do have a "Double Attack" katana but its like level 38 or something so completely useless at 75 etc. Also i'm pretty sure I NIN's can Jin for more than a RDM can Eviscerate.
 
Lec himself hit up to 700 at level 67 If I remember right, versus IT. Course, I can't be absolutely sure since I had to be told by another member. The lowest I saw before filters went up was pretty much the evisceration high I see people posting.
 
Neisan said:
Lec himself hit up to 700 at level 67 If I remember right, versus IT. Course, I can't be absolutely sure since I had to be told by another member. The lowest I saw before filters went up was pretty much the evisceration high I see people posting.
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At first I thought you meant Evisceration and was thinking "But you can't get it at 67" lol.
 
Sharpe said:
Because as has been stated he must of been partying with the most retarded DD's this side of the sun. Go test it with some decent players and then come back.
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It's also being completely ignored that I mentioned testing RDM with the virtual best gear possible short of Morrigan's Robe and my WHM still kicked my RDM's ass in terms of both DoT and WS. To make it somewhat funnier, the mob was Lesser Colibri.
 
Mishaela said:
It's also being completely ignored that I mentioned testing RDM with the virtual best gear possible short of Morrigan's Robe and my WHM still kicked my RDM's ass in terms of both DoT and WS. To make it somewhat funnier, the mob was Lesser Colibri.
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Don't remind me >.>
 
hellstorm said:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=2;mid=1152599297217062532;page=7
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Don't really have to say much after that... (Key word being "allakhazam..")

hellstorm said:
Even if I did you would still deny it. Starfox and others already has and none of you believe them, same would be if I did.
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I'm sure if you PT'd with Jamal and his parse (sp?) proved you right none of us would contest it at all, but please stop making real rdms look bad. If you really wanna dmg and cast magic go blue.
 
First off the only hate your ever going to pull is from the people on this forum and since Utsusemi doesn't block most AOE attacks and your never going to pull the mobs attention on your own with your gimpo damage it's basically useless.

If you also really believe your going to do more Damage Over Time with 2 traits of Dual Weild versus Double Attack, Berserk, Warcry, Attack Bonus and better stats then you either really are a moron like everyone says or your just saying all these stupid things because your daddy doesn't love you and your soooo very desperate for attention.
 
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ITT Flames exist. Therefore, all content, good or bad becomes domain of the FB. No infractions were given, just moved the thread.

(I could have split the bad posts from the good posts, but then I'd have two threads dependent on each other in 2 different locations, and it just makes so much more sense like this. GG Mod Arc, you just killed another topic. Totally remembering the NSFW Raps right now.)
 
laffo. this does now belong here.
 
Sharpe said:
We do have a "Double Attack" katana but its like level 38 or something so completely useless at 75 etc. Also i'm pretty sure I NIN's can Jin for more than a RDM can Eviscerate.
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How about this Hellstorm, since you for whatever reason seem to be, unwilling to help prove your point, I will see if I can recruit a LS buddy to do a merit party as a RDM DD because I know he has a pretty good melee set. We can do it right by getting the TP and WS gear of everyone so we can get a real accurate picture of whats going on instead of a few lines of text saying a RDM out dded a Ridill warrior.
 
Sagis: you don't need palawhan, use AJ/SH if you have them one for tp and another for ws if the acc isn't an issue then stick with AJ.

palawhan isn't that great
 
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