rdm melee debate continued

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hellstorm said:
I can say the same, prove it. Prove him wrong. How would you know? Rdm has never been seriously tested. It alway the same it can't because I say it can't. False fallacy over and over again. The #1 thing I'm trying to accomplish here is some true no BS test. Multiple cases of well equipped rdms in a merit scenarios.

To be honest I think half of you are scared of the consequences if rdm did turn out to be a good melee. You scared that you will get all these poor rdm that try to melee in mage gear. Your afraid more rdm will refuse to heal, therefor less healers lfp. Your afraid that the rdm motto jack of all trade is actually 100% true, that we can play any role. Most of all your afraid of change, and losing your spot in a party.

I'm not going to lie we have to work harder then a dd to melee. But so does a whm or a blm to enfeb, or smn to heal, or war to tank.
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hellstorm said:
Even if I did you would still deny it. Starfox and others already has and none of you believe them, same would be if I did.
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I'd like to point out that holy shit my mind wasn't raped when I read your posts. Good job, even the worst can use correct spelling and grammar if they try.
 
hellstorm said:
To be honest I think half of you are scared of the consequences if rdm did turn out to be a good melee. You scared that you will get all these poor rdm that try to melee in mage gear. Your afraid more rdm will refuse to heal, therefor less healers lfp. Your afraid that the rdm motto jack of all trade is actually 100% true, that we can play any role. Most of all your afraid of change, and losing your spot in a party.
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Fuck that, I'm afraid that I'll see a load of Red Mages and their parties laying dead in (Caemire, Halvung, anywhere else) and there will be nobody to Raise1 them because all the White Mages will be too busy laughing their asses off.
 
OLD DRAWN OUT THREAD IS OLD!!!!

jesus christ, you don't fucking melee, you refresh and stick your finger up your ass. THATS ALL now shut the fuck up.
 
hellstorm said:
You ask why I keep posting, because a rdm can dd and can do decent damage.
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Only a moron considers 60% of an average DD as good. With that, you're looking at maybe 10% of the total damage, which would get your ass replaced in any decent party because you're not holding up your own end.

No one has ever given it a serious test on this server not even I.
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Because there's no reason to? No one's done a serious test about NIN or DRK nuking in merit parties, because the idea is retarded. Did you have to do a serious test to find out if putting your hand in a fire or hitting your head with a hammer hurts? If the answers yes, then that probably explains your IQ of 80.

The odds of how many people don't believe does not matter the idea is to spark new life so people will actually try it.
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There is no "new life" to this shit; this argument has been going on for FOUR YEARS. It's the same retarded red mages who want their job to be completely broken rather than be a "normal job" and accept there's some things they can't do well. Get the fuck over it, dumbass.

This idea was stupid four years ago, it was stupid two years ago, it was stupid last year, and it's even more stupid today because you obviously can't learn. Get yourself into a special education class, for crying out loud.

First off because you are wrong. a rdm meleeing and doing more dmg then the 1 unhasted melee = more dot = more exp.
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No, YOU'RE wrong; if there's 1 unhasted melee because the rdm is meleeing, then the rdm is sucking at two jobs instead of one: DD and mage.

Your ignorance for anything new astound me. The test are out there you just have to be able to accept it.
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You just said they weren't; but the tests you've posted have been a rdm testing against idiot melee's that are not representational of actual DD's. This is the whole problem that you're just far too stupid to actually grasp. Yeah, there's a parse or two that show rdm as being a semi-decent damage dealer; but those parses are horribly biased because of the conditions required to generate them.

You have to fight against mobs who the rdm will automatically gain a damage bonus, while the other melee won't; or the melee use weak weapons/gear combinations; or you fight mobs that actually punish those who do the most damage like colbiri. Another factor is that because a rdm will never do enough melee damage to actually pull hate; all of the other melee's suffer because they have to keep casting utsusemi while the red mage doesn't; this effects the parse and gives a bias towards the red mage.

All of this collectively works against your idea that rdm make decent melee DD's, because all of your "results" carry such obvious slants that only a moron would actually consider them valid.

Again, red mage melee isn't new; it's been a stupid idea that's refused to die because every couple months a new dumbass starts on the job, realizes it has sword skill and forgets that his job is a MAGE. No one invites a red mage to melee, they invite them for 4 reasons, in this order:

1) Refresh
2) Dispel
3) Enfeebles
4) Cures/Nukes, depending on the setup

No where in that list is meleeing; no one invites a whm to melee even though they're actually BETTER at melee damage than a red mage is. You're a mage, stay the fuck away from the mobs and just cast spells.
 
Bajaratt said:
Only a moron considers 60% of an average DD as good. With that, you're looking at maybe 10% of the total damage, which would get your ass replaced in any decent party because you're not holding up your own end.


Because there's no reason to? No one's done a serious test about NIN or DRK nuking in merit parties, because the idea is retarded. Did you have to do a serious test to find out if putting your hand in a fire or hitting your head with a hammer hurts? If the answers yes, then that probably explains your IQ of 80.


There is no "new life" to this shit; this argument has been going on for FOUR YEARS. It's the same retarded red mages who want their job to be completely broken rather than be a "normal job" and accept there's some things they can't do well. Get the fuck over it, dumbass.

This idea was stupid four years ago, it was stupid two years ago, it was stupid last year, and it's even more stupid today because you obviously can't learn. Get yourself into a special education class, for crying out loud.


No, YOU'RE wrong; if there's 1 unhasted melee because the rdm is meleeing, then the rdm is sucking at two jobs instead of one: DD and mage.


You just said they weren't; but the tests you've posted have been a rdm testing against idiot melee's that are not representational of actual DD's. This is the whole problem that you're just far too stupid to actually grasp. Yeah, there's a parse or two that show rdm as being a semi-decent damage dealer; but those parses are horribly biased because of the conditions required to generate them.

You have to fight against mobs who the rdm will automatically gain a damage bonus, while the other melee won't; or the melee use weak weapons/gear combinations; or you fight mobs that actually punish those who do the most damage like colbiri. Another factor is that because a rdm will never do enough melee damage to actually pull hate; all of the other melee's suffer because they have to keep casting utsusemi while the red mage doesn't; this effects the parse and gives a bias towards the red mage.

All of this collectively works against your idea that rdm make decent melee DD's, because all of your "results" carry such obvious slants that only a moron would actually consider them valid.

Again, red mage melee isn't new; it's been a stupid idea that's refused to die because every couple months a new dumbass starts on the job, realizes it has sword skill and forgets that his job is a MAGE. No one invites a red mage to melee, they invite them for 4 reasons, in this order:

1) Refresh
2) Dispel
3) Enfeebles
4) Cures/Nukes, depending on the setup

No where in that list is meleeing; no one invites a whm to melee even though they're actually BETTER at melee damage than a red mage is. You're a mage, stay the fuck away from the mobs and just cast spells.
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Quote for fucking truth. Who goes looking to fill a DD spot and see a RDM seeking and say, "Hey, i want dem fat Enblizzard dipz." Seriously.
 
Most of all your afraid of change, and losing your spot in a party.
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I'm not scared in the slightest, nor is anyone of even average intelligence. Even assuming your "60% of a normal DD's damage" was true, You'd still only be doing about 10-20% of my damage. Only an idiot would invite a 1/2 strength DD instead of a full strength one; the only invites you see are going to be because someone needs a mage, not a damage dealer.
 
Rdm has never been seriously tested.
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This is your second fatal flaw. Your first was posting this thread.

RDM has been tested. It has been scrutinized. It has been attempted with relic weapons. Mandau, Excalibur. The best possible damage gear for the job.

The most intelligent minds have tested this. They have tested every job there is to be tested. This is not a new game. Your arguement would be much more viable if this was talking about SCH, or even one of the ToAU jobs. RDM is not even an advanced job. It has been around since 2001. That's 7 years. Seven. Years.

Over 2000 days. Over 60 months. It has been tested. Multiple times.

And you know what the result has been, every. single. time? With good gear, with bad gear.

With excalibur, with a level 1 wax sword.

With mandau, with a level 1 dagger.

With /nin, with /war, with /thf, with /mage

IT ISN'T AS GOOD AS OTHER DD'S.

It's not like DRG, or PUP where it IS a damage dealing job, and can perform well, but is just not balanced, or geared up well enough to keep up with other jobs. It just isn't good.

At all.

Ever.

You say "But we can put out 60% of a dd's damage"

Your point? You are still 40% away from being viable melees.

RDM is meant to melee, and it does it well. BUT IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A PHYSICAL DAMAGE DEALER.

Get it through your thick skull, please.
 
i think hellstorm is a pretty cool guy. eh dots qcnd and doesnt afraid of anything
 
Tomasello said:
First off the only hate your ever going to pull is from the people on this forum and since Utsusemi doesn't block most AOE attacks and your never going to pull the mobs attention on your own with your gimpo damage it's basically useless.

If you also really believe your going to do more Damage Over Time with 2 traits of Dual Weild versus Double Attack, Berserk, Warcry, Attack Bonus and better stats then you either really are a moron like everyone says or your just saying all these stupid things because your daddy doesn't love you and your soooo very desperate for attention.
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still remain why do you see most jobs sub nin. Also yes we can do more dmg with /nin A) because can use a dagger which has far better ws then sword, B) more en-spells proc

Tyrath said:
Its only funny cuz its not a joke:crazy:
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thank you I'll be here all night.
 
Afraid of what, A bunch of immature epeen addicts have to do better then that. Time will come you will see.
 
hellstorm said:
still remain why do you see most jobs sub nin. Also yes we can do more dmg with /nin
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A few DD jobs sub /NIN because they (a) Already have DD abilities built into thier job (b) do so much damage when they overload on stacked subbed DD abilities, that they take too much damage and could use the shadows more effectively.


Hellstorm, just do an honest to god parser with some DD friends and see for yourself. Lately it seems like you are more so trying to convice your self, and not us.
 
hellstorm said:
still remain why do you see most jobs sub nin.
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For survivability, not for improved damage.

Time will come you will see.
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It's already been 7 years since the game came out; if the time hasn't come by now, it's not coming period.
 
I honestly think hellstorms just trolling all of us for the years of verbal abuse about his spelling and typing. No one could compare them self to the Mahatma while saying that one of the most broken jobs in the game is being gimped by not lowering its overall usefulness (It's MP, Casting abilities, its powers to help others while weakening the mob) TO DO THE DAMAGE OF A UNMERITED THF WITHOUT DECENT GEAR OR SATA DE!? Jesus Christ what the fucks wrong with you? I'm actually feeling bad about writing this because I know your probably mentally retarded or you have some sort of mental condition, but this has to stop! As its already been said you do nothing but repeat yourself and give us bogus, proof less, crayon scribbles from the other melee rdm who thinks he's just the god of the game, when he's just as full of shit as you. And how could we forget Saevil, who I currently believe to be your alter ego or something "Doing this you become a "swiss army kniff" of the PT. Making significant
damage contribution while giving your backliners more breathing room."

Seriously, Parse it for yourself against GOOD players, not antdog's and other gimps who's names all escape me, or just shut the fuck up and leave. And you better have some damn good proof of your results if you do, I want to see the results of someone I can trust not to just make bullshit up for the greater good of people who should just quit the game everywhere.

rdm melee debate ended.
 
Hellstorm reminds me of this other asshole that plays on Quetzy named Zubaki. Another manthra. Equally delighted in getting people riled up at his idiocy. Purposefully asking nonsensical questions and making retarded points just to cackle with glee when people notice he's alive.
 
Silenus said:
Hellstorm reminds me of this other asshole that plays on Quetzy named Zubaki. Another manthra. Equally delighted in getting people riled up at his idiocy. Purposefully asking nonsensical questions and making retarded points just to cackle with glee when people notice he's alive.
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I do none this for self glee. However if I piss a certain crowd of people off then it a plus. You remind me of marajade nothing productive to say, just in the post to get attention.
 
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