Charcoip said:
Gee gilsellers seem to help you so much. Maybe you ARE a gilseller?
But then only you would know that now right? We on the other hand just have to go by observation.
Gee gilsellers seem to help you so much. Maybe you ARE a gilseller?
But then only you would know that now right? We on the other hand just have to go by observation.
not really going out of my way when im duoing bombs in garlaige Citadel and get a /tell Want to help us camp serket? And I wasnt planning on doing it to help them I was doing it to Make Gil by Working with them Im pretty sure they'd of been fine w/o me but they offered me a spot in the party and its good gil if serket drops good so why would I say now?
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Charcoip said:
if it was me, id take that golden oppertunity... to MPK the shit out of them and have some friends to come try to get sekert
but thats just me, i mpk gil sellers as often as i can.
i am very anit-gil seller and id rather lose all respect mpking gil sellers than being a sell out and helping them.
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I thought the name charcoip sounded famaliar, then after seeing you were a smn, I realized I had you on my blacklist for a while. You attempted to MPK me, I have no sympathy for you being refused a raise, especially after fighting serket with known gilsellers.
Yes, removing the gil buyers would stop the problem, but so would stopping the sellers. Say all you want about positive effects they have on the economy, their presence as a whole is bad for the game.
ps - Gilsellers would never do dynamis. There isn't any real profit in it. If you figure out the man hours, cost of hourglass, and amount of sellable drops you get, they would be better off farming low level junk for 10k/hr.
Yes, removing the gil buyers would stop the problem, but so would stopping the sellers. Say all you want about positive effects they have on the economy, their presence as a whole is bad for the game.
ps - Gilsellers would never do dynamis. There isn't any real profit in it. If you figure out the man hours, cost of hourglass, and amount of sellable drops you get, they would be better off farming low level junk for 10k/hr.
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Charcoip said:
My friend remind me to MPK you.
Ok?
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CHAR it has been talked over with several ls members, You are hearby to be kicked from LS on sight
And whomever states Char didnt know he was a gil-seller. He specifically said that someone in his LS said that Edison was. No honest person is going to grab some random dick hanging around the area to help camp a NM. Did you get the drop? Did you get any gil? I would be surprised...
I was in Onzozo the other day. I was asking my party if Ose popped if we should try it out. They all wanted to. Of course a few people show up and EVERYONE, even the JP Rdm said they were MPK gil-sellers. There goes any chance of killing Ose. That is what is wrong with them, they ruin any chance to have fun in the game. If I had pulled it, I would have gotten my whole party killed...but they arent so bad are they?
Fae
I was in Onzozo the other day. I was asking my party if Ose popped if we should try it out. They all wanted to. Of course a few people show up and EVERYONE, even the JP Rdm said they were MPK gil-sellers. There goes any chance of killing Ose. That is what is wrong with them, they ruin any chance to have fun in the game. If I had pulled it, I would have gotten my whole party killed...but they arent so bad are they?
Fae
Hey I got an idea!!! Let's help the Gilsellers camp Serket!!!
...no takers huh? Why? You'd rather camp him yourselves and with friends and have fun?
I can see that, this game was made to have fun afterall, but the gilsellers make such low wage! :roll:
Oh wait, that's against the ToS? Good point. I guess helping gilsellers would just be assinine.
Okay! I'll camp serket in the future with my friends and LS mates. Hope gilsellers don't try to MPK us. I also hope they don't get the claim sicne they'll just hand the money over to make cash.
I also hope you're not with them! That's just stupidity. I wonder what they would ahve done w/o you? Wouldn't it be a nice fuck up the ass if they couldn't have done it w/o the smn's stoneskins?
...no takers huh? Why? You'd rather camp him yourselves and with friends and have fun?
I can see that, this game was made to have fun afterall, but the gilsellers make such low wage! :roll:
Oh wait, that's against the ToS? Good point. I guess helping gilsellers would just be assinine.
Okay! I'll camp serket in the future with my friends and LS mates. Hope gilsellers don't try to MPK us. I also hope they don't get the claim sicne they'll just hand the money over to make cash.
I also hope you're not with them! That's just stupidity. I wonder what they would ahve done w/o you? Wouldn't it be a nice fuck up the ass if they couldn't have done it w/o the smn's stoneskins?
Anderithe, if a gilseller out-camps you and claims a NM, how is it different from another "normal" HNM LS out-camping you? Because gilsellers sell the item for money while a normal LS would sell it for gil?
I don't know about you, but that's not a good reason for me to hate one person and admire another.
But hey, to each his own, right?
Now, as I said before, it's completey different if the gilseller stole the claim, or MPKd you. But hey, other LSs have done the same thing, and they're not gilsellers.
All I know is, as long as a gilseller doesn't break the rules (well, aside from the RMT thing, but that doesn't directly affect me and, while it -can- hurt the economy, "legit" players can hurt the economy in the same way guilbuyers do if they both have a large ammount of money), I will treat them like any other player I meet.
But, frankly, I can see that I'm not convincing anyone by posting this. Whether that's because I'm wrong, or if it's because everyone I'm trying to convince otherwise is too thick-headed to listen, is something I don't know. So, I'm just going to stop posting in here.
I don't know about you, but that's not a good reason for me to hate one person and admire another.
But hey, to each his own, right?
Now, as I said before, it's completey different if the gilseller stole the claim, or MPKd you. But hey, other LSs have done the same thing, and they're not gilsellers.
All I know is, as long as a gilseller doesn't break the rules (well, aside from the RMT thing, but that doesn't directly affect me and, while it -can- hurt the economy, "legit" players can hurt the economy in the same way guilbuyers do if they both have a large ammount of money), I will treat them like any other player I meet.
But, frankly, I can see that I'm not convincing anyone by posting this. Whether that's because I'm wrong, or if it's because everyone I'm trying to convince otherwise is too thick-headed to listen, is something I don't know. So, I'm just going to stop posting in here.
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Sethala said:
Eh can you read ? I said, "every gilseller I know 70+." I don't flame when I get MPKed for the sole fact it wont change anything and because I will MPK them back. I have been MPKed by BYorotireit(whatever the name is mithra thf), Edison, Bluelemon and that whole crew. Or did I just imagine that nice little pile of Skeletons on me as they escaped out. The kuftal ones (chinese) enjoy life etc in SuperstarHNM attmpt on Amemet all the time and finally got me skilling up when I was afk. They are bad and pieces of shit. They don't care about the game and the RMT effect on the players who do really "play" this game for what it is. They deserve to die and the supporters deserve the same.
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mastershake said:
Sucks for you Char
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Davio said:mastershake said:
Sucks for you Char
lOl :lol: were nothing great but still one less pile of BS to deal with
Okay, think of it this way. You and some friends head to a basketball hoop in your local neighborhood to play some basketball.
Then one day a gang comes in, kicks you out and takes every single hoop at the court. They aren't even playing basketball. They're just there to say they're playing basketball while they deal drugs for money.
Now you and your friends can't play basketball unless you go to another place in another part of the city. One that's a lot harder to get to.
Then the gangs show up there.
Then at another hoop.
Then, all you have left is the 'Y' because the gangs can't go there.
While we can still claim our 'hoops'. It tends to result in getitng beatdown by the gang or having them take the hoop before we can use it.
How's that for an analogy?
Then one day a gang comes in, kicks you out and takes every single hoop at the court. They aren't even playing basketball. They're just there to say they're playing basketball while they deal drugs for money.
Now you and your friends can't play basketball unless you go to another place in another part of the city. One that's a lot harder to get to.
Then the gangs show up there.
Then at another hoop.
Then, all you have left is the 'Y' because the gangs can't go there.
While we can still claim our 'hoops'. It tends to result in getitng beatdown by the gang or having them take the hoop before we can use it.
How's that for an analogy?
Strid said:
Alright, I know I said I wasn't gonna post here again, but this post is pretty much directed at me, so...
When I read those words, I thought you meant it as a generalization. Similar to how kids ask their parents if they can go to a party because "everyone's going to be there". Well frankly, not everyone is going to be there, and likely not even everyone they know. So, when I asked you if you've been killed by every gilseller, I was challenging that generalization.
And I'm sure that you would know if they were trying to MPK you. What I didn't know is -who- was trying to MPK you. Now that you say you've been MPK'd by Edsion, I might rethink my opinion of him. That's simply all I was saying.
Anyway, unless someone needs another direct reply from me, I won't be posting again.
Anderithe said:
That's... a pretty crappy analogy. See, if you play basketball, you're doing it for fun. You've got no bigger plans in mind. When you camp NMs, chances are unless it drops a rare/ex item you need, you're camping it for profit. So are the gilsellers.
Plus, you forgot to mention that if you get to the court first, you get to keep it. If they get to it first, they get it. And you both have an equal chance to get it, or near enough.
Now, I know what you're going to say. You're going to say that gilsellers will MPK you to get the claim.
Shocker here, but I never said I approved of that. In fact I have always said that if a gilseller resorts to "dirty" tactics like MPK or stealing, they deserve anything people do to them for revenge and I have no sympathy for them. Exact same way I treat "legit" players that use the same tactics.
All I said was that I treat gilsellers like any other player. If we pass each other on the streets of Jeuno, I'll pay them as much mind as any other player. If they help me with anything, I'll help them as well. If they MPK me? You can bet that I'll be chomping at the bit for revenge.
YOU forgot to mention that every gilseller out there does MPK or WORKS WITH someone who MPKs. You know what else? You do now too. Feel the pride!
Also, camping serket is different for PEOPLE PLAYING THE GAME! Think about something here, would people still camp a NM if it wasn't worth cash?
Yup. Just to kill it, for the fun, for an item they wouldn't normally have. If they make money they turn around and use it to have further fun in the game.
I'm sure I'll get to that hoop in ordelles before the gangs are there as well. :roll:
The point is, players play to have fun. Gilsellers set up a business in our relm, and they RUIN OUR FUN!
How that escapes you is beyond me. Oh wait it doesn't. You just wanted your gil and want to justify it. Actaully, you didn't even want to justify it, you wanted to bitch because a white mage wouldn't raise you. They're obligated but you have no obligation not to shaft your fellow players?
Also, camping serket is different for PEOPLE PLAYING THE GAME! Think about something here, would people still camp a NM if it wasn't worth cash?
Yup. Just to kill it, for the fun, for an item they wouldn't normally have. If they make money they turn around and use it to have further fun in the game.
I'm sure I'll get to that hoop in ordelles before the gangs are there as well. :roll:
The point is, players play to have fun. Gilsellers set up a business in our relm, and they RUIN OUR FUN!
How that escapes you is beyond me. Oh wait it doesn't. You just wanted your gil and want to justify it. Actaully, you didn't even want to justify it, you wanted to bitch because a white mage wouldn't raise you. They're obligated but you have no obligation not to shaft your fellow players?
Alright, I forgot that bit about players camping HNMs for fun.
Yet if you are worried about gilsellers claiming one or two HNMs and ruining your fun, why not go fight a HNM that's never camped? There's probably quite a few that you can find, if you do your homework. Last time I looked, Vrtra and Tiamat weren't very heavily camped.
As for every gilseller MPKing... that's a very broad generalization. While I don't doubt that most gilsellers are guilty of this, and deserve everything coming to them, I doubt that every single one of them does it. And hey, I could be wrong - I don't know. But untill I find out that I am wrong, I won't be MPKing gilsellers just because they are gilsellers.
Let me turn the tables a bit. Let's say that JP decided that they hated NA because NA always MPKs. So they decide to MPK every single NA they see. Now, you've never MPKd people, yet you get MPKd by the JP, just because they think you're guilty by association.
Yet if you are worried about gilsellers claiming one or two HNMs and ruining your fun, why not go fight a HNM that's never camped? There's probably quite a few that you can find, if you do your homework. Last time I looked, Vrtra and Tiamat weren't very heavily camped.
As for every gilseller MPKing... that's a very broad generalization. While I don't doubt that most gilsellers are guilty of this, and deserve everything coming to them, I doubt that every single one of them does it. And hey, I could be wrong - I don't know. But untill I find out that I am wrong, I won't be MPKing gilsellers just because they are gilsellers.
Let me turn the tables a bit. Let's say that JP decided that they hated NA because NA always MPKs. So they decide to MPK every single NA they see. Now, you've never MPKd people, yet you get MPKd by the JP, just because they think you're guilty by association.
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I camp Cargo Crab Colin regularly with LS members in Korroloka Tunnel. It drops a Rare/Ex sword called the Nadrs, and it looks cool as hell. 
For months I've been able to camp it so almost every melee class in my LS has one of these swords to swing around, and I haven't had any problems with anyone camping him... in fact I don't think I've ever seen anyone else camp him. Why? Because he drops maybe 1000 gil and sometimes a sword that you can't sell.
Last week, I was chilling out with my LS mate Ciaran, and Luckyangel runs by. I see her all the time *camping* the Morion Worm.
Then, I see about a billion bats fill the room, and they all start attacking her. None of them are hitting her really, and she is just standing there. She stands right where CCC pops. Ciaran leaves, because he is getting lagged out, but I stick around just to make sure she was up to what I thought she was up to.
This goes on for about 10 mins, and then CCC pops. Before I even saw him spawn, she has the claim and kills him, then warps out.
I was pretty funny, since I knew he dropped nothing of value, but it pissed me off that we were minding our onw businessand then she pulls this crap on us.
For months I've been able to camp it so almost every melee class in my LS has one of these swords to swing around, and I haven't had any problems with anyone camping him... in fact I don't think I've ever seen anyone else camp him. Why? Because he drops maybe 1000 gil and sometimes a sword that you can't sell.
Last week, I was chilling out with my LS mate Ciaran, and Luckyangel runs by. I see her all the time *camping* the Morion Worm.
Then, I see about a billion bats fill the room, and they all start attacking her. None of them are hitting her really, and she is just standing there. She stands right where CCC pops. Ciaran leaves, because he is getting lagged out, but I stick around just to make sure she was up to what I thought she was up to.
This goes on for about 10 mins, and then CCC pops. Before I even saw him spawn, she has the claim and kills him, then warps out.
I was pretty funny, since I knew he dropped nothing of value, but it pissed me off that we were minding our onw businessand then she pulls this crap on us.
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hey its a stupid thing, but also smart, lag the enemy out, get the item... not agenst tha TOA cuz it didnt mpk, but yes i agree thats a stupid thing to do, but tey didnt mpk you, which is a good thing 
I'd like to start with how i don't take sides when it comes to friends i have made here, as i have made friends with both Gamers and Gil sellers.
My recient exsperiences in game is roughly farming with both kinds of characters. Gil Sellers in many cases keep to one or few NMs. This dosn't mean they are stupid and only know what they do. Eventually they read and go out seeking new NMs.
A Gamer playing along side a Gil seller means the Gil Seller will make less profit, and more gil stays clean in the game. Which should be taken for good news to those who believe people who associate with Gil Sellers are supporting (I don't know, the distruction of the server ?). If you join a Gil Selling alliance and recieve fuck all, then that's a crying shame, i don't represent that they are all nice, and shit like this is not impossible.
My reason of acceptance in these individuals, is based on me being able to do what i want when i want in game. I have collected my Haku eyes and all of them are ready to fight along my side when i say let's go. They also understand that the Optical hat is for me, and no money is involved. When money is involved they give me my fair share first, and many times they pass me pricy items i collect and farm as a gift, or token of appreation.
I would not reject them unless i feel they are destroying me. When they level in a PT of 6, they still invite me to join them as a 7th party member to level up when things are dull. Even as they well and know there will me less exp made.
Either you MPK or you don't, and the Gil Sellers i have come to know would bring great shame to me if they were to do such a thing, and they know and respect that. The Group Strid has mentioned is the rival of the Gil Sellers i get along with, I thought i'd bring that up to clearify how Gil Sellers have their drama same as we do with Gil sellers, Racisim, and the ever so rare "Enemy Linkshell".
SquareEnix is against Gil sellers for their own reason. They don't want outsiders making money off of the data in their Servers, simply put it's plain wrong. RMT Ruins the games design, as it was designed to be a very long and time consuming leasure activity to keep their costomers month after month. When we have nothing left to do, the game becomes an over priced chatroom before we put it away for good.
So gamers sharing drops with Gil Sellers is better for SquareEnix for the fact the Gil Sellers have less to sell.
Buying Gil is a very distasteful way to go about making choices in my opinion, and if everyone did buy gil, the game would need some serious updates in order to keep Final Fantasy XI active. This is not the case however.
Hunting with Gil Sellers and hunting with ordinary or outstanding members breaks even to one. Without Gil Sellers the game is still not about fair. You want a NM you gotta camp it. You want a very special item or armor, a whole lot of you will never even touch it. When i lose a claim to another party, i let it slide, because in most cases, i lose to people i get along with, when i lose to a Gil Seller or a gamer, i couldn't care less as to what happens to the item or Gil. i don't have time to worry about whos buying and selling in the community, cause the next day everything is the same. And literally, if the price of something goes up, i blame the Gil Buyer, cause in the real world money sets all of our conditions and scheduals. And if i was a Gil buyer, i would write up some seriuos income in the AH. (On a side note i once jacked Amemet Skins, only to restore it to how it was when i first discovered it. It was a sinfully exiting exsperience. And no i am not a gil Seller/buyer.)
In an intangible world such as this, things start to matter because every character is being run by a real mind. This game can get very ugly if it were to write up and record it's history. We've dealt with all of these issues as a species, and here wisdom comes with age. Most of us who play this game are young, and you'd be a fool to think it's ok to dismember or label someone who is at peace with EVERYONE. It's no secret that most people flock with a croud, which isn't a bad thing, but atleast consider thinking for yourself for a change if you might be hating on people who accept all things that cross their path.
When i say "they", i mean everyone including the lot of you, and when "they" invite me to take part in whatever activity, i will go if i can. Some of my aquantances arn't liking that too much, so i have cut down on what i do with who, just to reduce the amount of stones casted at me.
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To anyone who replys to me. If you and i are not friends, i will be very defensive on my own behalf. And if you are one of my firends, you can burn me all you like, cause you cannot imagine how many strikes you have with me. I know true hate and it's not something i with to direct at anyone else.
My recient exsperiences in game is roughly farming with both kinds of characters. Gil Sellers in many cases keep to one or few NMs. This dosn't mean they are stupid and only know what they do. Eventually they read and go out seeking new NMs.
A Gamer playing along side a Gil seller means the Gil Seller will make less profit, and more gil stays clean in the game. Which should be taken for good news to those who believe people who associate with Gil Sellers are supporting (I don't know, the distruction of the server ?). If you join a Gil Selling alliance and recieve fuck all, then that's a crying shame, i don't represent that they are all nice, and shit like this is not impossible.
My reason of acceptance in these individuals, is based on me being able to do what i want when i want in game. I have collected my Haku eyes and all of them are ready to fight along my side when i say let's go. They also understand that the Optical hat is for me, and no money is involved. When money is involved they give me my fair share first, and many times they pass me pricy items i collect and farm as a gift, or token of appreation.
I would not reject them unless i feel they are destroying me. When they level in a PT of 6, they still invite me to join them as a 7th party member to level up when things are dull. Even as they well and know there will me less exp made.
Either you MPK or you don't, and the Gil Sellers i have come to know would bring great shame to me if they were to do such a thing, and they know and respect that. The Group Strid has mentioned is the rival of the Gil Sellers i get along with, I thought i'd bring that up to clearify how Gil Sellers have their drama same as we do with Gil sellers, Racisim, and the ever so rare "Enemy Linkshell".
SquareEnix is against Gil sellers for their own reason. They don't want outsiders making money off of the data in their Servers, simply put it's plain wrong. RMT Ruins the games design, as it was designed to be a very long and time consuming leasure activity to keep their costomers month after month. When we have nothing left to do, the game becomes an over priced chatroom before we put it away for good.
So gamers sharing drops with Gil Sellers is better for SquareEnix for the fact the Gil Sellers have less to sell.
Buying Gil is a very distasteful way to go about making choices in my opinion, and if everyone did buy gil, the game would need some serious updates in order to keep Final Fantasy XI active. This is not the case however.
Hunting with Gil Sellers and hunting with ordinary or outstanding members breaks even to one. Without Gil Sellers the game is still not about fair. You want a NM you gotta camp it. You want a very special item or armor, a whole lot of you will never even touch it. When i lose a claim to another party, i let it slide, because in most cases, i lose to people i get along with, when i lose to a Gil Seller or a gamer, i couldn't care less as to what happens to the item or Gil. i don't have time to worry about whos buying and selling in the community, cause the next day everything is the same. And literally, if the price of something goes up, i blame the Gil Buyer, cause in the real world money sets all of our conditions and scheduals. And if i was a Gil buyer, i would write up some seriuos income in the AH. (On a side note i once jacked Amemet Skins, only to restore it to how it was when i first discovered it. It was a sinfully exiting exsperience. And no i am not a gil Seller/buyer.)
In an intangible world such as this, things start to matter because every character is being run by a real mind. This game can get very ugly if it were to write up and record it's history. We've dealt with all of these issues as a species, and here wisdom comes with age. Most of us who play this game are young, and you'd be a fool to think it's ok to dismember or label someone who is at peace with EVERYONE. It's no secret that most people flock with a croud, which isn't a bad thing, but atleast consider thinking for yourself for a change if you might be hating on people who accept all things that cross their path.
When i say "they", i mean everyone including the lot of you, and when "they" invite me to take part in whatever activity, i will go if i can. Some of my aquantances arn't liking that too much, so i have cut down on what i do with who, just to reduce the amount of stones casted at me.
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To anyone who replys to me. If you and i are not friends, i will be very defensive on my own behalf. And if you are one of my firends, you can burn me all you like, cause you cannot imagine how many strikes you have with me. I know true hate and it's not something i with to direct at anyone else.