SE changed Thieve's Knife...

No wai Reality, you liar. The way people are crying it's like theres a broken vending machine dispensing Thief's Knives for free. Theres no work involved at all!
 
lol gota change your sig now Marajade :P
 
Implication that your weapon needs to be a THF knife perhaps due to certain people beleiveing it has to be on 100% of the time for th+1(%) to work?
 
Why would it matter if there was a R/EX knife and a non-R/EX knife thieves could dual-wield if it's +TH is supposedly useless to so many of you guys anyhow? =P
 
Mishaela said:
Why would it matter if there was a R/EX knife and a non-R/EX knife thieves could dual-wield if it's +TH is supposedly useless to so many of you guys anyhow? =P
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I love to see th 5, but I dont think SE wants people to have th5
 
My only problem with this update so far....
People are tring to camp the knife without any form of TH whatsoever with them to boost the drop rate on the lantern.
Cmon.. if you're gonna CC thieves that need it for a measly 300k in the 10+ hours it takes WITH TH2 at least bring regular old nq treasure hunter with you via sub or something.
 
Khajit said:
My only problem with this update so far....
People are tring to camp the knife without any form of TH whatsoever with them to boost the drop rate on the lantern.
Cmon.. if you're gonna CC thieves that need it for a measly 300k in the 10+ hours it takes WITH TH2 at least bring regular old nq treasure hunter with you via sub or something.
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Oh god, Its the old vang argument come back to haunt us!
 
Marajade said:
Oh god, Its the old vang argument come back to haunt us!
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Did I just get insulted, and accused of being gay/ugly/insane/a jackass/arrogant/ect all in one sentence?

Think of it this way. Do you enter dynamis without a single thf or /thf in your group?
I merely think things would work out alot faster for both parties involved if they brought some damned th to camps that are almost empty and have no need for instaclaiming. Chances are the slow claiming thieves(not me) that can't outclaim the vokes would probably have gone and left by the time the non TH people get one. Not only that but the ones that brought at least SOME form of TH are probably gonna get our faster too by the general odds being increased.


A much better explanation would be going to the extreme and asking what would you think of a group that fought fafnir without any treasure hunter in party. When the odds of completely wasting the time of people other than yourself by sheer stupidity I have a problem with it. I wont go batshit over it but I will be annoyed at least.
 
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yeah well kiddo
we all don't have 75 thf but that Thf knife sure would put some cash in my pockets

quit ya bitchin
 
Dragon Ryder said:
yeah well kiddo
we all don't have 75 thf but that Thf knife sure would put some cash in my pockets

quit ya bitchin
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Hmm rereading over that I see no mention of needing the job of the person to be 75 thf. I said ANY form of treasure hunter. if you can't level a simple SJ to 15 that will help you improve on farming then your deserve to be poor if your income relies on a droprate.

Also I see no "bitchin" anywhere in the previous statements. I merely see myself pointing out the fact that hunting something that gives you a slower money income and proloinging the time you are spending there by gimping the droprate is just plain stupid. You can be as retarded as you wanna be and I won't care so long as it doesnt affect anyone other than yoursefl negatively.
 
Khajit said:
Did I just get insulted, and accused of being gay/ugly/insane/a jackass/arrogant/ect all in one sentence?

Think of it this way. Do you enter dynamis without a single thf or /thf in your group?
I merely think things would work out alot faster for both parties involved if they brought some damned th to camps that are almost empty and have no need for instaclaiming. Chances are the slow claiming thieves(not me) that can't outclaim the vokes would probably have gone and left by the time the non TH people get one. Not only that but the ones that brought at least SOME form of TH are probably gonna get our faster too by the general odds being increased.


A much better explanation would be going to the extreme and asking what would you think of a group that fought fafnir without any treasure hunter in party. When the odds of completely wasting the time of people other than yourself by sheer stupidity I have a problem with it. I wont go batshit over it but I will be annoyed at least.
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One of vang's favorite arguments was that any NM killed without a thief in the party was wasted.
 
It is a waste if the gil/time ratio is bad enough vs let's say... farming beeswax. I however won't go batshit insane for it like vang does. I might be annoyed at being defeated by the stupidity of others but that's about it.

Lets say genbu water dropped from all the pots in sky or a reasonable amount of locations. you and your ls camped in some random secluded spot and a decent amount of the other areas were free. Then some other ls decideces they wanna follow you over there and CC you instead of doing the smart thing and going somewhere else.
If you explain or the fact that there's another open spot is so damned obvious and is easily reached and they stilll wanna CC you instead of coming to a much more reasonable agreement where both would benefit do you have the right to be annoyed at least a little bit?

Same difference

cmon what is a lv 75 thf/nin gonna outclaim you with? steal and it's oh so impressive claiming range? The delay on most xbows is higher than the casting time for any single ni spell. Learn how to claim fast and the thieves can be beat with a thf sub to benefit you to boot. You get out there faster or make more drops to get money faster while still maintaining an advantage of higher claim rate unless you just suck.

It's easily subbable on the jobs that have thier own native ways of claiming.
A war/nin lv 30+ claiming a NM he can easily solo on war/thf IS wasting people's times and the NM unless he get's ridiculously lucky statistically speaking. No dispute about that.
If sam/war without thf high enough to kill the NM or another job high enough to claim nm while on /thf gets a NM it's a different story because the sam couldnt have claimed without subbing war. It's not a waste in that situation. The TH would have gone to waste if the sam has subbed thf thusly wasting the time of the sam. The sam also rightfully claimed the NM and by all accounts deserves to be able to kill it.

If he was a bst instead and had charm to claim with then yes he's a godamned idiot who still deserves to kill the NM but will probably cause the number of kills he has to acheive by some random %.This in turn makes more people wait at a stupid NM and causes the bst to have more trouble claming because people who would have left long before from getting thier drop and leaving are still there. It's a lose lose situation when you dont make things easier on yourself and to top it off you make things harder on others.

Wasting your own time I have no problem with. wasting my time and/or the time of others when not doing so is easy and doesnt inconvenience you in the slightest way is a problem.


Edit: note: My distaste for people not bringing some way to boost thier chances and as a result cockblocking others doesnt refer to the days earlier when they had to compete vs 40 others in a small ass area. Fucking right they needed voke to claim over TH to boost drops on nonexistent claims. Even the non THF asshats claiming the original sozu without treasure hunter rightfully killed Sozu as much as I'm loathe to admit it. They got claims more often than the thf/nins trying to claim and essentially madeup for treasure hunter not existing in thier jobs. That was a distinct advantage. Subbing war in an environment where you can beat people to claims without it for claiming purposes however is not an advantage in any way and it is merely being stupid.
 
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Any job can claim whatever they want, whenever they want. Never been a rule about that, and we've seen several rules implemented now to address actual issues.

I mean, I agree that the absence of treasure hunter will slow drop rates...But if someone wants to go NM hunting without treasure hunter that is truly their perogative. Open your mouth as wide as you like and start yelling. Bringing treasure hunter will never been a prerequisite rule to go camp NMs.

You ever been on a job combo without treasure hunter and decided to check on an NM? I have.


This is just silly. It's not a waste of your time. People are just playing this game.
 
Sneakypants said:
Any job can claim whatever they want, whenever they want. Never been a rule about that, and we've seen several rules implemented now to address actual issues.

I mean, I agree that the absence of treasure hunter will slow drop rates...But if someone wants to go NM hunting without treasure hunter that is truly their perogative. Open your mouth as wide as you like and start yelling. Bringing treasure hunter will never been a prerequisite rule to go camp NMs.

You ever been on a job combo without treasure hunter and decided to check on an NM? I have.


This is just silly. It's not a waste of your time. People are just playing this game.
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I'm not screaming anything out loud or shouting it. I merely stated something that annoys me and might annoy others. Never did I say that there NEEDS to be a law stating treasure hunter must be brought along.
I merely said it's annoying knowing that statistically speaking "I" will be at x camp longer because somone else was being stupid. Being at x camp longer is a slightly higher "waste" of my time than if the person had brought along some form of treasure hunter. That being said it's not something to go Nazi ballistic over.
Theres a difference between not liking a painting and merely looking and leaving it at that vs torching the musem.
 
And there's a difference between getting the responses you're getting and people flat out telling you to STFU.
 
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