Sent to jail for harrassing Gil Sellers.....

[Dowzer]

I'm sorry Padington.

There is no way that you can relate "Gil sellers" to "Communists".

How are Gil sellers not guilty? Because we can't prove they sell gil?


You're right. We can't prove they sell gil.




BUT.

We CAN prove that they have NOTHING of great value to show for all the gil they have farmed for the past 2 years.

Alot of people throw gil-seller around with abandon...it's the most common insult/accusation on our server now...and it's often applied to the wrong people. According to some people's "logic" anyone who has ever been accused of it is one and anyone who knows them is just as guilty unless you immediately sever all ties with them.

I don't know how may of you remember your history well enough to remember a certain U.S. Senator from the 1950's nicknamed "Tail-Gunner Joe"? He was alot like some of the people on our server except he slapped a Communist label on you instead of Gil-Seller but other than that it all came out the same way. Guilt by association, guilty without proof, guilty without due process, guilty without a fair chance at a defence. Also like our server "Joe" and his cohorts targeted people who were unable to defend themselves for the most part.

I supposed we could always ban entire segments of the human race based on their nationality but when great minds speak or write about our "shrinking world" they were refering to our growing closer not withdrawing into ourselves in an attempt to protect our carefully nurtured fears and prejudices. Thank you.....

My friend Scwall saw you partying with Gil sellers.........


Guilt by association. I dont care if you sell gil or not. You're helping them.


Them = The same players who farm so much in this game. They should all have +1 sets of armor, the best that gil can buy.

But. No.


They dont have the gil, that shows for how much they hunt.

They dont have the equipment, that shows for how much they hunt.

Where does all the gil go?



In Ordelles Caves, before the nerf.........Where did all that gil go that SVINA payed to these sweat shop workers. (Sweat shop workers = 24/7 work hours and only take off CHINESE HOLIDAY)

You can ask Svina yourself personally, these gil sellers were NOT there during that holiday. It was the only day we never saw them.

Ask Svina yourself, my friend Scwall traded him 8 Archers Rings. Yes fucking 8. Because we killed Stroper Chyme while the gil sellers were gone on their holiday.

1 day = 8 rings....................Now think of all the days they monopolized that camp.








Fuck you for selling/buying gil and fuck you if you support gil sellers in any manner.

 

[eternalisT]

do we get angry at say... people in Columbia for making cheap coffee? QUOTE]


Actually Columbian coffee is the most expensive after Maui. ^^

 

[Padington]

Please read my post through before you make a comment about it. If you don't understand my historical reference look it up or ask your parents, grandparents, older friends etc.

You've proven my assertion that people are repeating the same old statements over and over without any facts or logical reasoning involved. My friends wern't with the Chyme camping crowd...those people are all with Bettylily's crew in RedSky (or whatever it's called now).

I spoke to Scwall the other day and I can see why he's pissed solo-camping the THF Knife when teams roll in and fill the room....but....not everyone who camps the same mob is a gil-seller and Breezer's camping it is no different from him camping it. Anything else isn't worth debating....except to point out your friend traded 8 rings to this "gil-boss" so isn't he by your own admission a gil-seller for supporting them?

 

[Dowzer]

I spoke to Scwall the other day and I can see why he's pissed solo-camping the THF Knife when teams roll in and fill the room....but....not everyone who camps the same mob is a gil-seller and Breezer's camping it is no different from him camping it. Anything else isn't worth debating....except to point out your friend traded 8 rings to this "gil-boss" so isn't he by your own admission a gil-seller for supporting them?

He traded those rings to Svina.


And Breezer has had a Thief's knife before. Do you know what happened with that knife?

Also, Flypanda ADMITTED to Scwall that he sells gil. I don't care about Redsky, SaluteII, IloveyouSky.........I've see too many who admit they sell gil and too many who have nothing valuable to show for all their gil rewards from HNM/Farming.

So I am not "repeating history".

I mpk them and have no shame in doing so.

They stand there and watch me solo the Sozu Rogberry when Scwall isn't online.

 

[pakomen]

Also, Flypanda ADMITTED to Scwall that he sells gil. I don't care about Redsky, SaluteII, IloveyouSky.........I've see too many who admit they sell gil and too many who have nothing valuable to show for all their gil rewards from HNM/Farming.

So, basically, anyone you ASSume to be a gillseller must provide you with documentation of how they spent their gil? GTFO. And I bet you'd suck the dick of any NA player who got goldsmithing to 100 and drool over the shit they HQ. Whether or not they got to 100 legitimately. GTFO. Learn to read, and learn to fucking argue a point. All of the above are correct, you can't read and you continue to spew the usual bullshit.

 

[pakomen]

Dowzer's arguements are like "GILSELLERS ARE BAAAAAAAD. IF YOU ARE SEEN NEXT TO A GILSELLER YOU ARE BAAAAAAAD. SO GO FUCK YOURSELF BECAUSE THEY'RE BAAAAAAAAD. OMFG! DON'T BE BAAAAAAAAD."

/shakeshead

If you're gonna argue a point, do it right. I've met NPC's in Lower Jeuno who had more intelligent things to say than ANY of your posts on this topic.

 

[Dowzer]

You haven't supplied any form of a rebuttal against my arguement.

You only displayed a small criticism about the "old arguement over and over again".


So now, please teach me how to "argue a point the right way".



Tell me to GTFO?.......hah.

Anyone can assume someone is a seller. Reason being: Most wealthy players, a) own high quality items b) synth high quality items c) DON'T FARM THE SAME THINGS EVERY FUCKING DAY.

 

[pakomen]

Anyone can assume someone is a buyer. Reason being: Most gil-buyers either a) own high quality items or b) synth high quality items.

Where do you think that money goes?

That arguement really doesn't stand. Look at it from the other side.

 

[Dowzer]

Anyone can assume someone is a buyer. Reason being: Most gil-buyers either a) own high quality items or b) synth high quality items.

Where do you think that money goes?

That arguement really doesn't stand. Look at it from the other side.

Yes I see your point. But you fail to see mine.



How would anyone buy gil if nobody sold it?



.....

 

[pakomen]

I do see your point, I just don't agree with generalizations.

I don't think gilselling is the problem on our server. At least not the big issue. The big issue is that the NA players can't cooperate and the whole server is a big fat drama orgy.

This topic is way over-rated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong though. It used to piss the hell out of me to see Rosehot and crew hogging up all the mining spots in gusgen and Asurathief outclaiming me every frickin time in Pashlow when I was lower level, but I really don't see gilsellers being that big of an issue. Perhaps the only big issue with gilsellers is that some noob has hyper-ultra gearz on and doesn't deserve it.

 

[Legomyeggo]

Yes I see your point. But you fail to see mine.



How would anyone buy gil if nobody sold it?



.....

Sweat shop workers... oh wait, we covered that.

 

[pakomen]

Note: Asurathief outclaiming me on crawlers and leeches in Pashlow. Loooong time ago.

 

[Dowzer]

I do see your point, I just don't agree with generalizations.

I don't think gilselling is the problem on our server. At least not the big issue. The big issue is that the NA players can't cooperate and the whole server is a big fat drama orgy.

This topic is way over-rated in my opinion. Don't get me wrong though. It used to piss the hell out of me to see Rosehot and crew hogging up all the mining spots in gusgen and Asurathief outclaiming me every frickin time in Pashlow when I was lower level, but I really don't see gilsellers being that big of an issue. Perhaps the only big issue with gilsellers is that some noob has hyper-ultra gearz on and doesn't deserve it.

The problem with gil sellers is there are not enough real players counter camping them.

Slowly and slowly I watched NA LS's drift away from smalltime HNM like Simurgh.


Now slowly and slowly I watch more and more real NA players help and join Gil sellers LS.


Is that really the solution?

People are so lazy of counter camping, that they just join the opposite side?

Scwall and I have made a couple of JP friends down in the Temple. As we've been camping the knife for just about as long as they have. We help them and they help us. I can't say the same thing about Luckyangel, Breezer, and particularly Flypanda.

 

[pakomen]

Well, there are other mobs to kill. I've never had a problem with Simurgh because I've never given a shit about Simurgh. I've had a blast doing ENM's weekly, BCNM's bi-weekly, Ouryu, Nidhogg, CoP missions, etc, so much that I really couldn't care what HNM's the gilsellers are after. And I've literally made millions without them being in the way.

So, maybe I don't see them as much of a problem because I've found alternate ways to make money. Hell, I'm actually glad rosehot drove me out of gusgen. That was a boring ass way to make money and I'm glad I got sick of competing with her.

Anyway, there are so many ways to make money on ffxi and so many other fun things to do besides trying to outcamp gilsellers.

 

[Dowzer]

Well, there are other mobs to kill. I've never had a problem with Simurgh because I've never given a shit about Simurgh. I've had a blast doing ENM's weekly, BCNM's bi-weekly, Ouryu, Nidhogg, CoP missions, etc, so much that I really couldn't care what HNM's the gilsellers are after. And I've literally made millions without them being in the way.

So, maybe I don't see them as much of a problem because I've found alternate ways to make money. Hell, I'm actually glad rosehot drove me out of gusgen. That was a boring ass way to make money and I'm glad I got sick of competing with her.

Anyway, there are so many ways to make money on ffxi and so many other fun things to do besides trying to outcamp gilsellers.

That's an awesome alternative and Im happy you have fun while doing it.

But it doesn't explain why more and more people are actually camping Serket, Simurgh, Lord of Onzozo, etc, with the gil sellers.........C'mon people.......

 

[vang]

That's an awesome alternative and Im happy you have fun while doing it.

But it doesn't explain why more and more people are actually camping Serket, Simurgh, Lord of Onzozo, etc, with the gil sellers.........C'mon people.......

This is why.

Most NA are lazy and can't even spend 3 hours in a guaranteed pop window to help their LS. This is why people should not join HNMLSes.

If I ran a LS I would have a "Camp (Insert HNM) or lose your pearl for good day"

If you're on you camp or you're kicked, simple as that.

People are selfish and have absolutely no patience, go on and tell me you have lives and can't sit a WHOLE 3 hours at a camp so I can laugh.

You were the people who poked your annoying twerpy little heads in the Maze for 2 hours and left while a select few of us got richer doing the work.

 

[pakomen]

Maybe cuz they're too lazy to realize there are other ways to make money and have fun in the process?

Anyway, I'm not siding with the gilsellers. The sole purpose I am getting bst to 75 is to mpk Creativv on a daily basis. It's not because he sells gil that I don't like him. I hate him cuz he is a prick.

 

[Dowzer]

You were the people who poked your annoying twerpy little heads in the Maze for 2 hours and left while a select few of us got richer doing the work.

My peacock amulet speaks otherwise...

But I know the generalized type of person you are talking about........Mr Joe Shmoe will show up half way through the window, or perhaps tell his LS that he has something better to do.

I'm surprised not many more LS leaders say: Camp or be kicked. Although I do know that certain leaders hold events such as Kirin, mandatory.

 

[Raesvelg]

I'm curious...... I've been known to harass gilsellers myself (though I prefer to limit my depredations to a very select group, namely fishing bots), but why all the hatred? I do what I do simply because fishing bots = inflation (at least the ones I try to eliminate when I can), but there's no real reason to hate the majority of gilsellers. Sure, I never party with them and refuse to help them out in any way.... but it's nothing personal. They fulfill a function. Hell, I recall the big ban that SE slapped on them a while back... For a good month they were hard to find. And prices on things like Archer's Rings shot up, because the people camping them decided that now that THEY had one, they were gonna jack the price.

 

[hellstorm]

The problem with gil sellers is there are not enough real players counter camping them.

Slowly and slowly I watched NA LS's drift away from smalltime HNM like Simurgh.


Now slowly and slowly I watch more and more real NA players help and join Gil sellers LS.


Is that really the solution?

People are so lazy of counter camping, that they just join the opposite side?

Scwall and I have made a couple of JP friends down in the Temple. As we've been camping the knife for just about as long as they have. We help them and they help us. I can't say the same thing about Luckyangel, Breezer, and particularly Flypanda.

the profit is not worth the time you need almost a alliance to camp serket and even then the possiblity of getting claim is 1/4 then the chances of getting claw is like 1/50 ring like 1/100. also most of the have pretty basic gear there whm have nobles there nin and thfs wear SH. btw you forgot redarmycorp the biggest gilseller band on quez. large is always down camping mobs but he does it fairly and have not seen them mpk as of yet when im ccing him at loo or serket. As for mpking you wonder why they mpk because you mpk. The portal work both ways if you want them to play fair you have to play well yourself.