I think they should go back to WoW. There is nothing wrong with trying to help a player improve their gear. Even without sky there are a lot of small group events they could do for gear. Salvage, and Nyzul top the list. Well maybe not as you have to kinda know how to play your job to do them. Pretty sure assault has very nice gear for drg too if they are cheap players. Each zone has atleast one really easy assult you can three man for points. I can attest that even an eight year old can do them. My daughter is now ten, and had gotten to try assaults from when they first were released. She has managed five coffers in "Breaking morale" on her own. :wink: She even can do Red vs. blue and get 1.6 AP most runs. So if she can do it, no reason two grown ups with half a brain between them should not beable to. Thank you for the warning. I run some /sh events and now know not to invite them.