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Elemmire said:
Xerius.. if you are gonna make such assumptions and lower yourself down to name calling.. there's no reason to argue with you at all.. oh.. and if you HONESTLY think you can't make any money from any craft while leveling it to 100.. you do not know what you are doing. It isn't really hard to make a mil or few a week if you really wanna try between crafting HQ items and selling for profit, farming some mobs for items that sell pretty well, and, hell, even playing the AH is a great way to make money. Perhaps playing the AH is actually the easiest way. NM camping which is a NM that is easily solo-ed to make money I will see as being greedy and selfish. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with them camping it all the time and gonna make a big deal about it. It's in their right and I'm aware, but they will come off as greedy for camping something someone else might be camping to make use of.. but as Pere said.. chances are most that camp it aren't actually in it for the item to be used.. and it really is a very useful item for DD. Greed makes this game and this world suck.
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Ok so we cant kill the nm for drop, lets just play the ah price up on the drops that do make it on to the ah.
 
Elemmire said:
Xerius.. if you are gonna make such assumptions and lower yourself down to name calling.. there's no reason to argue with you at all.. oh.. and if you HONESTLY think you can't make any money from any craft while leveling it to 100.. you do not know what you are doing. It isn't really hard to make a mil or few a week if you really wanna try between crafting HQ items and selling for profit, farming some mobs for items that sell pretty well, and, hell, even playing the AH is a great way to make money. Perhaps playing the AH is actually the easiest way. NM camping which is a NM that is easily solo-ed to make money I will see as being greedy and selfish. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with them camping it all the time and gonna make a big deal about it. It's in their right and I'm aware, but they will come off as greedy for camping something someone else might be camping to make use of.. but as Pere said.. chances are most that camp it aren't actually in it for the item to be used.. and it really is a very useful item for DD. Greed makes this game and this world suck.
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Lol you are hillarious,

So you are saying buying low and selling high ok... but that is still taking advantage of someone not knowing the price and taking advantage of the fact that they pay more. PLease Elle, enlighten me as how buying low from someone and selling high to another person is not in any way shape or form taking advantage of someone. You talk aobut greed and selfishness in NM camping but isnt playing the AH almost the same but on a smaller scale (depending on which items of course). I'm really sorry but in the case of playing the AH, someone still gets suckered and isnt that just as greedy and selfish? I really dont see why having skill in camping and claiming an NM makes it so unfair? If you take the time to find the TOD on a mob that is 36 hour spawn, the i think it is totally fair. Not everyone is high enough level to fight HNMs you know?

Did i say you cant make any money leveling a craft to 100? I'm sayin the money you make isnt half as efficient as many other sources of making money. Honestly, even Tiya mentioned how smithing doesnt really make you much money until near the end, and that most of the time you use other sources to fund smithing leveling.

I just find it ridiculous that you dont include the time someone takes to camp it. Thats why NM camping is such a tough task, because IT TAKES TIME AND YOU HAVE TO WAIT. My god... seriously... i'm sory but that was a really stupid thing to say, not taking into account the time spent waiting for a spawn?!
 
wolfskymoon said:
Whose bich are u? lol
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Xerius.. do you really think you can't make the same amount of money from other sources that you do camping a NM? hell.. Alchemy is only 60 for me and I can make easily about 200k an hour on it. You just have to know what to make and sell. Farming normal monsters and selling their drops is not hard. Spiders for webs, elementals for clusters, gardening. Within a month you can make what you made with all those hours of camping the NM. If you don't know this.. learn the game.
 
Elemmire said:
Xerius.. do you really think you can't make the same amount of money from other sources that you do camping a NM? hell.. Alchemy is only 60 for me and I can make easily about 200k an hour on it. You just have to know what to make and sell. Farming normal monsters and selling their drops is not hard. Spiders for webs, elementals for clusters, gardening. Within a month you can make what you made with all those hours of camping the NM. If you don't know this.. learn the game.
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Took 6 weeks to farm up my harness. I made the last 3.5 mil over the 3 days before i bought , a friday sat sunday. NM's a good money, people will camp them for money.
 
yes.. but did you spend as much time total in those 3 weeks as Tiya or Phraust or anyone that camps Argus on a daily basis camps Argus? The answer would most likely be no. In the time it takes them to camp argus.. the time it takes them to get the drop. I'd say.. you could make 20mil via other methods. Not just ONE method.. but several methods at once.
 
It is interesting how this in some way parrallels an argument I had with Tiya and Vang some long long time ago except that I don't believe there was really any moral issue involved. Simply that I thought there needed to be a system of force popping NM based on how many players were desperate for the item to keep a cap on the price. Afterall, it might appear appear as if inflation is the cause of the price raises but that's only when you compare to other price raises. When you compare versus other farmable items and crafted items not involving NM drops, comparitivly NM drops have risen at a far quicker pace. It's like there's a line for the NM drops, and the line keeps getting longer and longer as more people want it, more people can find ways to get the money for it, and the game spits out the exact same amount of them regardless. If we need more farming items, the item price rises and more people farm the item. If we need more emperor's hairpins, more people want the exact same hairpin and whoever hoardes this item most effectively gets a big payout. As i don't see this as a moral issuie persay but I think it definetly is a economic imbalance.
 
Buying Low, then jacking the price high, is the easiest way to make gil. Thats all i did in my career playing FFXI, you see FFXI is just like RL stock, supply and demand, just have paitnence and maybe 1 or 2 mules and you make free gill.
 
Oh and for camping Argus, its not a difficult task, his window is just like Fafnirs im pretty sure in time frames. There are tricks to .dat files and removing .dat files. So basically when the window opens you spam for 5mins, then go afk for until the next 5 mins.
 
O guess what a guy named tallie was selling it today...this time 25 million lol.I wonder if its a level 1 mule or what :lol:.
Any xerious there is a difference between monopolizing archer's ring and peacock charm playing AH... most hes gonna buy item from a crafter whose desperate and sells for low (both are happy)and then sell it for Ah price.Even if AH sells more the guy whose bidding can always wait for stuff to be balanced out.But its difference when u go out to camp an NM and u know that same cock sucker has 5 chars around the Nm botting it while u are on ur ass all night.And to be honest u guys hated sonicteam s much how about u give me a difference between the two groups?
 
Yeah...but the only thing he is actually doing wrong is the botting. and no one knows for sure that he is botting and in fact you seem to be the only person posting on this forum who believes he is botting.
 
WSM how are you so sure he bots?

Have u actively searched his computer, caught him using bots, or seen him get banned for botting? Answer to all of this is no.

and Elle, thanks you made my point, alchemy is one of the few crafts that make money at lowere levels. Now please, try arguing Tiya and my point about Smithing. Where demand for ores such as darksteel and iron ore make it so the amount you can make is limited. Furthermore, for DS ingots and what not, not many people buy them. /sigh...

You cant compare Alchemy to Smithing becuase the flow of items is a lot slower than Alchemy. Alchemy has a lot of consumable items, whereas Smithing has a lot of items that are kept in the market and never leave the system.

Furthermore, you farming items and then crafting then into something you can sell isnt pure profit. You ahve to subtract the cost ingredients you farmed from the final product, because you have to include each item that you farmed as being a cost as well. I dont really understand how why people say u if you farm the ingredients it doesnt count into the cost because no matter what you could sell the item for the AH cost. Not sure if u guys understand what i mean exactly but i can clarify if need be.
 
Xerius said:
WSM how are you so sure he bots?

Have u actively searched his computer, caught him using bots, or seen him get banned for botting? Answer to all of this is no.
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You bring up an interesting point. The only time I ever even seen WSM down in the hole was when I got him his RSE, and once when he decided to drag trains of mobs in to "prove we were bots". Then sat there and made a complete idiot of himself(he decided to talk) for about an hour before we got bored of his ass and decided ot ignore him.

Later his stupid ass decided to call me a bot. I thought he was joking at first, for the first couple times I ran into him outside of the maze. THen I realized I might be wrong. I figure, if this dipshit really is as stupid as i think he is, others might have heard of him. He didn't seem like the kind of dipfuck you forget. I made a forum post simply one line:

"Wolfskymoon, discuss."

And found that the greater majority of the server had infact come in contact with this attention starved child, and not many had any positive experiences.

So yes, his whopping 1 hour of investigation and 2 other encounters have some how proven to him, that I was a bot...

I love the last time he went on his witch hunt and he had "Proof" I was a bot, but never bothered to show it. Instead he showed screenshots of other people that died while botting. None of which were me.... Yeah... Nice proof... Hell if I recall correctly, I wasn't even in any of the screenshots at all... Really good proof I was botting... Nice to counter his claims I was a bot when we countered with our own screenshot of a [GM] congratulating Rinas on the claim... The [GM] was right there, watching... one of our little guilty pleasures was when WSM would constantly accuse Rinas of being my mule... When Tiya had repeatedly stated it was his relative's character that he was using...

You want to talk about botting WSM? What about your shitty little Tab bot people saw you use at Hoo Mjuu the Torrent?

And your incessant diggin innto people when they point out the flaws in your arguments... Man that gets old. You're like George Bush Jr... "You're either with me or a botting faggot!" ...you go girl.

Then again... If your "Research" fails, and your "You're a faggot" argument fails, there's your "I have proof" argument, however if your "I have proof" argument doesn't in fact have any proof... You could always lie about your mother's death and distract people from the argument as a whole to suck up sympathy like the attention starved twit you are.

Face it WSM i succeeded at someting you failed at... Repeatedly. You didn't even try. You wanted the glory, and since you couldn't get it, or were too fuckign lazy to work for it, you tried to defame those who did. Great way to synthesize a feeling of victory in your head I guess. But you should be more proud of Gimping your way to 75 with an severely underequiped war that doesn't even know how to properly work with your team members to utilize all available job abilities and skills...
 
Xerius.. have you heard of FARMING FOR YOUR MATERIALS? I usually do that for my synthesis.. PLing through a craft is such a waste of money.. most of the materials are pretty easily farmed.. especially all the low level crap... which can then be HQed when your craft is higher to be sold off for more profit.. I swear.. people don't know how to make money by more than one method at a time -_-
 
Seeing things like that is somewhat annoying(People camping when they own a 20mil item) when you're trying to get one yourself and there are about 5 people from a LS there. I've been tempted to get angry and complain at them, but the fact is they have every right to be there just like everyone else(Assuming they aren't botting or selling, which I don't think they are).

And because one of them had the PCC in their inventory, it's obvious someone in their party didn't have it.
 
Elemmire said:
Xerius.. if you are gonna make such assumptions and lower yourself down to name calling.. there's no reason to argue with you at all.. oh.. and if you HONESTLY think you can't make any money from any craft while leveling it to 100.. you do not know what you are doing. It isn't really hard to make a mil or few a week if you really wanna try between crafting HQ items and selling for profit, farming some mobs for items that sell pretty well, and, hell, even playing the AH is a great way to make money. Perhaps playing the AH is actually the easiest way. NM camping which is a NM that is easily solo-ed to make money I will see as being greedy and selfish. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with them camping it all the time and gonna make a big deal about it. It's in their right and I'm aware, but they will come off as greedy for camping something someone else might be camping to make use of.. but as Pere said.. chances are most that camp it aren't actually in it for the item to be used.. and it really is a very useful item for DD. Greed makes this game and this world suck.
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Ele are you serious? Have you actually ever leveled a craft to 100? It's not something that you wake up one day and say to myself "Self, you are going to go from 1-100 in crafting today!"

What experience do you actually have here? Your alchemy is 60? Whoop-de-friggan-doo!!! Leveling a craft to 100 takes hard work and dedication. Please dont pretend to be an expert at 60 alchemy.

yes.. but did you spend as much time total in those 3 weeks as Tiya or Phraust or anyone that camps Argus on a daily basis camps Argus? The answer would most likely be no. In the time it takes them to camp argus.. the time it takes them to get the drop. I'd say.. you could make 20mil via other methods. Not just ONE method.. but several methods at once.
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Then what the hell is the problem!?!?!?

Seriously, I have had you profiled Ele. The Computer spits out that you are a 19-21 year old female idealist Democrat. Tell me Im wrong! :P
 
not really.. you are wrong.. I'm not dumb as too how long it takes to get a craft 1-100. However.. a craft 1-30 isn't all that trouble. Spend enough time farming craft items or getting from NPC for cheap price. Then on a nice full moon you can easily get 1-30 in a day. Alchemy is NOT my only craft at 60.. hehe... and I'm not dumb at how things work. People want the big bucks and they want it NOW.. but I settle for doing what I can. I HQ Synthesis (and I do this while leveling the crafts) and selling and getting atleast some profit. I also garden and farm things that sell for a decent price. I make enough money to keep me happy and fund what I want. I really don't see where people have a problem and go to only doing one avenue of making gil.. seriously... you could make more money by doing several different things at once. You don't have to monopolize a NM. And stop fooling yourself if you think you aren't monopolizing it. You are there every spawn? You get majority of the claims? You have a monopoly on it. Windows has a monopoly on the computer market but do they get 100% of the sales? no.. don't be stupid.. don't fool yourselves.. seriously...
 
Not that i dont find ele arguing with everyone else entertaining...but hasn't this thread gone really off topic?
 
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