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mccaurther

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This is just a post to my hispanic ppl on this day of boycott. We gotta stay united for our ppls against the horrible events going on here in the States. I'm personaly about to go to NY for the protest going on. Remeber don't buy anything for the day. We need to show these ppl whos who and whats what.

El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido
 
mccaurther said:
This is just a post to my hispanic ppl on this day of boycott. We gotta stay united for our ppls against the horrible events going on here in the States. I'm personaly about to go to NY for the protest going on. Remeber don't buy anything for the day. We need to show these ppl whos who and whats what.

El pueblo unido jamas sera vencido
Yo estoy súper de acuerdo con ustedes. No se den por vencidos que lo van a lograr.

Aunque yo tengo la ciudadanía estadounidense porque vivo en una colonia de ellos, me parece bien injusto lo que piensan hacer con los inmigrantes de por allí. Todos somos seres humanos y se debe dejar de pensar que el mundo está hecho de dinero.
 
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How are we treating the immigrants unjustly Answa? They have no rights here, they get sent home. If we were killing, beating, and raping them, then I would agree. I don't see how we could treat them more humanly while not throwing out our entire legal system.

(I can read Spanish better than I can write it).
 
Rones said:
How are we treating the immigrants unjustly Answa? They have no rights here, they get sent home. If we were killing, beating, and raping them, like they do in mexico then I would agree. I don't see how we could treat them more humanly while not throwing out our entire legal system.

(I can read Spanish better than I can write it).

Edited to reflect the truth.

If you're legal protest to your heart's content, it's your right.

If you're not, get out. You're not a citizen, therefore have no constitutional rights in this country.
 
ya, everyone of our ancestors immigrated here, the indians didn't have laws so we weren't illegal. Now we made laws so everyone gtfo.
 
meeze said:
ya, everyone of our ancestors immigrated here, the indians didn't have laws so we weren't illegal. Now we made laws so everyone gtfo.

Beautiful. Just beautiful :D
 
I think the key to that is that the Indians didn't have laws...
In that case nobody is violating anything. There was nothing established to violate. The moral issue of what was done to the Indians is a whole different ball of wax, but there weren't laws to break. Now there are laws to break, people know of these laws, and yet break them.

If they were completely ignorant to our laws, why would they come over hiding in wheel wells, inside dashboards and seats, and such?

They know what they are doing is wrong and against the law, but they still do it. That's why they get no compassion.
 
Sneakypants said:
I think the key to that is that the Indians didn't have laws....
Granted I am no expert, but I have a hard time to believe the Indians didn't have laws. Their justice system was certainly different from ours, but you bet that there were rules about one tribe infringing on the area that is controlled by another tribe.

It's not that the Indians didn't have laws, it's that the Indians didn't have as many guns, and that the white man's laws didn't protect Indians.
 
Firstly the Indians did have laws, however they nowhere came near the point where they where discussing imigration.

Secondly, I have no issue at all whatsoever with legall imigration, its the ILLEGAL as in against the LAW that is causing the problem. I have a few friends who are naturalized citizens and they get pretty damn pissed when people are going on about how cracking down against ILLEGAL imigration, lets repeat that ILLEGAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal), is somehow discrimination against immigrants. This country was founded by immigrants, its made up by immigrants, but the whole thing is the ILLEGAL part of it.

Now don't get me wrong, fully support immigration reform, but the whole comming here, not paying taxes, sending almost all the money they make home to Mexico, and then being a strain on our healthcare services, which LEGALL residents pay for is frankly BS.
 
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OK /slap me for dealing a blanket statement for a blanket statement.
I didn't feel like it was necessary to get to that level of detail since it's pretty easy to see what's between the lines on ths one.

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Bottom line, this issue is different in every way.
Apples and oranges are just different, period. Stop coming up with excuses and what you believe justifies comparing the two. It's ridiculous.
 
The indians did not have laws in any meaningful sense. They hadn't even invented the wheel yet, so I find it highly unlikely they managed to formulate a workable set of laws. They probably applied tribal mores ad-hoc.

I'm in favor of stopping illegal immigration. However, to say that illegal immigrants (or terrorists, or enemy combatants, or any person the government wants to treat poorly) have no rights isn't exactly true in a historical sense.

People who say this generally believe that people have no rights except those rights that the government grants to them. These people need to read the Declaration of Independence.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

That paragraph, the theoretical underpinning of our Constitution, means 1. that people have these rights, wherever they go in the world, just by existing, irrespective of government; and 2. that the government is instituted solely to protect and enforce these rights, not to grant rights.

The fact that the government can summarily deport an immigrant, or indefinitely detain a person in Guantanamo (both deprive a person of his liberty) without charging them with a crime, and justify it by saying "it's ok, he's not a citizen" is a terrifying look at how far our country has strayed from its roots.
 
I think the most effect this has had is that thousands of threads on hundreds of forums were created to ridicule it. Aside from that I doubt it made one bit of difference. Us white boys need to figure out how to get a day off work, and get on TV while doing it. Any suggestions?

P.S. I bet beer sales went through the roof that day! joking joking
 
There is a law, saying you can't just walk over and live here.
If you don't respect the laws, you don't deserve to be here.

If you are illegal, you have NO RIGHTS.

Wanna know 2 funny things?
1: Child in protest had a sign.
"No more Illegals
= No more Burritos
You better think about it America!"

......... WTF? Who cares#1, #2 I have a friend who worked at Taco Bell for 6 months and there were OMG zero hispanic people there, let alone illegals. GTFO

2:"Tyson Chicken" shut down for the day, since the majority of it's staff were illegals.

Funny how they supplied a HUGE HUGE donation to the Clinton's when they ran for office.. Funnnnnny stuff!

*EDIT* Found the name of the company via google :P
 
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Shaidalyn said:
Funny how they supplied a HUGE HUGE donation to the Clinton's when they ran for office.. Funnnnnny stuff!

You do realize it's Bush who wants to make it so they can stay here, right?
 
I realize Bush is a retard, I just know Kerry would have been worse ^____^
 
I'm a Libertarian. Bush, Kerry...doesn't matter. All corporate owned, all full of shit.
 
Declaration of Independence said:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Shaidalyn said:
If you are illegal, you have NO RIGHTS.

We're abandoned.
 
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