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This really is moving away from a hypothetical situation and really into defining sexuality and blah blah blah. It's an interesting thing to discuss, but really nobody can speak for both sides, and neither side will truly understand how eachother feels..

On topic, I'm bored and I wanna see some hot guy naked!

I'm at work, when I get home you can find me on my webcam website.

www.kotsuhasasmallpenis.com

Hope to see you there! :wink:
 
Who really cares about names, if something turns you on and you want to fuck it or be fucked by it then go ahead. Too many labels today, just go with what you want.
 
This really is moving away from a hypothetical situation and really into defining sexuality and blah blah blah. It's an interesting thing to discuss, but really nobody can speak for both sides, and neither side will truly understand how eachother feels..

On topic, I'm bored and I wanna see some hot guy naked!

You know I would dance for you but i have stuff to do tonight.
 
Maybe girls should never kiss other girls, since apparently it's so nasty to be homosexual this day and age.

rated down for this remark!

I dont think the people arguing here are saying that gay sex is disgusting (at least i havent). The problem as i see it is that some people are adamant that everyone would be bi-curious in the scenerio that was stated. Now, what bugs me about this thread is that if you defend why you would choose the fat woman over brad pitt, you are deemed too defensive and therefore something must be going on in your psyche, where you are eitehr a homophobe or a closet gay/bi person. I'm just saying that this is not the case. Some people just cannot be attracted to the same sex regardless of the scenerio. This isnt me calling people who'd rather brad pitt gay or bi. It is what it is.

You've just said you like titties a whole lot. Which is obvious if you'd fuck that huge chick. Repeating how much people like titties is an interesting thing, you know if it's not that big a deal to talk about this hypothetical situation, but still you don't rank up with people who are clearly homophobic at all.

Yes I was repeating the fact that i like titties, but it was mainly in responce to winklewil who must have missed it the first time i said why i would choose the 700 lb woman over brad pit.
 
I don't quite follow the logic there, to be honest. It doesn't apply to girls and it doesn't apply to all guys (in other words, it in no way eliminates the possibility of "just being gay anyway"), so where's the proof that for the guys it does supposedly apply to, they're gay *because* of this and wouldn't simply have been gay anyway?

(Linky to aforementioned studies would also be nice, perhaps they cover that point, but if they don't then it's *quite* the logical blunder.)

I'll explain why it only covers guys and not girls. This is basically summary of research. Basically when fetus begins to develop it is obviously genderless, however the brain starts off "female". Through the development of the fetus, the mother produces testosterone which function at the time in developing the differences in the brain between males and females. If the mother undergoes high stress during that stage of pregnancy, her body will produce more estrogen instead of testosterone, and as a side effect preventing the fetus' brain from full developing into a male brain.

Now this does not apply to girls because making more estrogen is kind of what the female brain needs.

How can you say they wouldn't be gay otherwise? you can't, I never said they wouldn't. Guys who have been documented with this prenatal disorder also have excess estrogen production later in life and may have a female voice.

Just saying it's possible to be gay from a disorder, not just by choice. Neither is exclusive. Also just because you had this disorder, doesn't *always* make you gay. Statistically significant amount was though.

I don't remember the exact research name, but it was subject on prenatal hormonal deficiency in males. And it had a follow up study that correlated it to homosexuality and whatever the part of the brain that is responsible for attraction is.

There's also genes that increase the chance of developing altered brain functions (in terms of attraction). But this is much more recent and not as well documented.

EDIT: I'd like to point out I agree with Sire 100%. The reason so many people were upset about this hypothetical situation, is because when they said they'd do the chick over brad pitt, a bunch of you jumped on them. Telling them their choice was bad because she was ugly. Some people even gave her worms and maggots just to convince people to fuck brad pitt. Seriously some people would just fuck the girl in any case over a guy.
 
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I'll explain why it only covers guys and not girls. This is basically summary of research. Basically when fetus begins to develop it is obviously genderless, however the brain starts off "female". Through the development of the fetus, the mother produces testosterone which function at the time in developing the differences in the brain between males and females. If the mother undergoes high stress during that stage of pregnancy, her body will produce more estrogen instead of testosterone, and as a side effect preventing the fetus' brain from full developing into a male brain.

Now this does not apply to girls because making more estrogen is kind of what the female brain needs.

How can you say they wouldn't be gay otherwise? you can't, I never said they wouldn't. Guys who have been documented with this prenatal disorder also have excess estrogen production later in life and may have a female voice.

Just saying it's possible to be gay from a disorder, not just by choice. Neither is exclusive. Also just because you had this disorder, doesn't *always* make you gay. Statistically significant amount was though.

I don't remember the exact research name, but it was subject on prenatal hormonal deficiency in males. And it had a follow up study that correlated it to homosexuality and whatever the part of the brain that is responsible for attraction is.

There's also genes that increase the chance of developing altered brain functions (in terms of attraction). But this is much more recent and not as well documented.

EDIT: I'd like to point out I agree with Sire 100%. The reason so many people were upset about this hypothetical situation, is because when they said they'd do the chick over brad pitt, a bunch of you jumped on them. Telling them their choice was bad because she was ugly. Some people even gave her worms and maggots just to convince people to fuck brad pitt. Seriously some people would just fuck the girl in any case over a guy.


So that explains Mike Tyson's voice.
 
Wouldn't it technically be "Closet bi?" or did bisexuallity dissapear from earth while I was sleeping?

Quote me saying "closet homosexual" and you might have a point. Don't take time away from doodling with your crayons to look it up because I didn't.
 
I'll explain why it only covers guys and not girls. This is basically summary of research. Basically when fetus begins to develop it is obviously genderless, however the brain starts off "female". Through the development of the fetus, the mother produces testosterone which function at the time in developing the differences in the brain between males and females. If the mother undergoes high stress during that stage of pregnancy, her body will produce more estrogen instead of testosterone, and as a side effect preventing the fetus' brain from full developing into a male brain.

Now this does not apply to girls because making more estrogen is kind of what the female brain needs.

How can you say they wouldn't be gay otherwise? you can't, I never said they wouldn't. Guys who have been documented with this prenatal disorder also have excess estrogen production later in life and may have a female voice.

Just saying it's possible to be gay from a disorder, not just by choice. Neither is exclusive. Also just because you had this disorder, doesn't *always* make you gay. Statistically significant amount was though.

I don't remember the exact research name, but it was subject on prenatal hormonal deficiency in males. And it had a follow up study that correlated it to homosexuality and whatever the part of the brain that is responsible for attraction is.

There's also genes that increase the chance of developing altered brain functions (in terms of attraction). But this is much more recent and not as well documented.

EDIT: I'd like to point out I agree with Sire 100%. The reason so many people were upset about this hypothetical situation, is because when they said they'd do the chick over brad pitt, a bunch of you jumped on them. Telling them their choice was bad because she was ugly. Some people even gave her worms and maggots just to convince people to fuck brad pitt. Seriously some people would just fuck the girl in any case over a guy.


ALL vertebrate embryos are inherently female.

I'm sorry but this post is full of bullshit. Were your thesis correct all males would have gay tendencies. Moreover pot smokers would be more likely to be gay as marijuana produces estrogen in high concentrations for rergular users. Furthermore hormone therapy would produce changes in sexuality on a regular basis (while they do on occasion produce sexual side effects it's hardly makes any of the statements you made above conclusive.)

Not to be too giant a dick about it but without some kind of source disclosure with extremely well documented research, that's just loose conjecture based on what might almost sound intuitively correct but can easily be demonstrated as all but completely false.

Regardless of that.. my take on the situaiton is this: The proposed situation is ludicrous. You're arguing biology but moreover you're arguing aesthetics.

Brad pitt > 700lb woman aesthetically.

Does that make me gay?

Does it show a gay tendancy?

No. I can simply recognize when a human being looks pleasing to the eye and by a more direct relation to the brain. Which most men would turn around and scream 'You think brad pitt looks good? FAG!'

My response is that if you can't look at other people of your gender and find something aesthetically pleasing you, yourself, probably look like shit and don't strive to improve your appearance for what could be many reasons ranging from self-esteem, social, etc issues. The point is we all take our ques from somewhere. What we recognize as beautiful in others we attempt to recreate in ourselves. ... or at least i do, it's much easier to adopt habits or change things about yourself based on what you see work for other people than it is to make it up on your own and suffer the pitfalls of experimentation.

For instance; your dad taught you to shave your beard/moustache. Your mom taught you to apply make-up and so on. It's a real easy thing to grasp.

Now conversely:

700lb woman > Brad Pitt biologically.

Disturbing as it is i can't procreate with Brad Pitt.
(I know, sad faces all around right?)

The 700lb woman serves a base function that i, personally, am concerned with being a heterosexual male. As calloused of a statement as it is i don't believe many homosexuals are under the delussion they might become pregnant via their means of sexual interaction.

Now you could say 'ugh, zomg but she's a 700lb fatass, how disgusting.' And you'd most likely be at least somewhat correct to any given person but, you bet your ass if me, brad pitt, and the fatass were the last three people on the planet. I wouldn't be getting laid and neither would most of you. That's not a slam, so don't reply and tell me to go fuck off somewhere. Just think about it.

So there you have it. The choice between the two is only really a seperation point between those who would rather have sex for aesthetic pleasure or biological need based on what little of this thread i could stand to read without blowing a gasket completely.
 
Deny it all you want, RoM, but you have gay tendencies just for thinking about fucking Brad Pitt. Mostly just because you made a choice and played the damn game. Oh, and Artem's actually, ya'know, right. And yeah, he probably looks better than you, too.
 
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That honestly sounds more like transgender than homosexuality to me ... more like a straight woman in a man's body, who (being a straight woman) is interested in men. Or maybe intersex, since the result is kinda part-female, part-male. I guess you *could* label it as "gay" even so, but it's not really quite the same thing.
 
If you're male and like other men it's gay. Don't try some bullshit about how it's not gay because you're a woman in a man's body.
 
If you're male and like other men it's gay. Don't try some bullshit about how it's not gay because you're a woman in a man's body.

Go say that at a transgender conference and tell me their reaction. (EDIT: That's part serious - I don't know any transgender people (I think) and I'm not too familiar with the general psychology about it. So I *am* partly curious as to whether they'd agree with you or disagree with you.)
 
If you're male and like other men it's gay. Don't try some bullshit about how it's not gay because you're a woman in a man's body.

What part of: "Sexuality is not black or white" did you not understand?

Sounds like the talk of a fundie, to me. You people always deal in absolutes.
 
There's nothing wrong with fat women. Send them to me, I'll hump them for you! ;D

Plus, the coments in this thread are walking the thin line of Man/Gay.
 
Wow I thought this site was about FFXI. Am I in the right place? Anyhoo, I guess I'll wade in here. I'm completely bi (Female, btw) and I choose my partners based on personality, looks, intelligence, stability and many other factors. I'm attracted to people, not genders. I was wondering where I fit in with all the stereotyping that is going on.

I have quite a few gay friends who would resent the hell out of being told they aren't really gay. I can understand a straight guy having the same reaction because someone tells him he's not really straight simply because he doesn't really want to sink it in to someone that is completely unattractive to him.

It's funny that no one has mentioned personality or temperament, or maybe they did and I missed it. An overweight, plain person that is honest, fun and funny with a great personality would be my choice over a Greek God(or Goddess) who is an egotistical asshole with no personality who is also morally bankrupt. Is it me or are you guys kind of shallow?
 
This is a FFXI site but there is nothing wrong with talking about some interesting issues outside of the game. And Yes, I think like 90% of us are shallow.


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