Someone's got a superiority complex

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Zyndara

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Zyn
So a group of us decide to merit tonight, we check around and Caedarva looks the least packed (only three parties). We get there, scout it out, one party tells us that they are leaving shortly. So we wait for our members to get there and we get started meriting. We're there for at least an hour and this taru, Melfie comes in and says "go merit on birds or Nyzul Isle -> Caedarva Mire." Then "{Please}." Now we were meriting no problem, not bothering anybody for over an hour then this person who hadn't been there all that time tells us to please leave?

So I send Melfie a tell and say, "We were here long before you for your information; there are other places you could go as well." I get "Hmmm. like what?" So I give several suggestions, including CP areas, and this person continues, laughing at the "low exp" in those areas for their party range (67-70) which is bullshit and telling me how I'm not getting it, how they asked nicely, how they said please. I basically told them that what they aren't getting is that we were there first; that if they can't /sea an area before they traipse off to level then perhaps they should, that it isn't our problem, and that furthermore, they shouldn't presume to tell other people where to go to exp. All he kept saying to me was "I said please." Like somehow that makes it any less of a dick thing to do to ask people who have been somewhere partying long before you to move. The conversation continued and ended in a blacklist to be sure.

It just amazes me the sense of entitlement this game has nowadays. Just because you are "X" level does not mean you can waltz in and tell other parties to leave. It's one thing if people are killing mobs that don't give them exp to be dicks, but if someone is meriting? I mean seriously, who the hell do you think you are? And "please" doesn't necessarily make you polite if your request to begin with is rude and obnoxious. If you can't /sea the area you intend to exp in or have someone scout ahead to see how crowded it is, that is your own goddamned problem. And if you can't make yourself aware of the large number of places at your disposal to exp, CP areas included (oh the horror) then you also have no one to blame but yourself.

This person went on to tell me how he was just trying to have a good night and exp. Well guess what, so was I and the 5 other people with me. Your desire to have a good time isn't any more important than anyone else's. You aren't owed anything. People are not required to bow down when you pass. Get the fuck over yourself.
 
by any chance was this persons name brihana? loljoke. Its because people can be really self centered and they are only thinking about themselves and not about the others around them and that is why they think like this. its called being a sociopath my dear :)
 
Damn Zyn you always have huge posts :P

Anyways, yea I agree just because you are a certain level doesn't mean you have the right to everything.
 
The audacity of asking someone else to move out of an experience camp that they were actively using FIRST is truly incredible. I'd rank it somewhere above another party simply deciding to camp on TOP of you and force you to leave without words, yet a touch below freaking the Hell out when another person gets the claim on a NM that you've been "z0mg camping 4 3 hrs u ass."

Even when I see something truly ridiculous, inappropriate, and inconsiderate in terms of who's doing what at a "spot" that I want -- friggin' melee burns at Mt. Zhayolm puddings (you need to be slapped to death if you do this, by the way) is one example that I find particularly frustrating -- I still recognize their RIGHT to be there, and understand the fact that I arrived second. Whether it's some yahoo levelling their idiot NPC at a popular experience camp, a squadron of WAR/NIN's and NIN/WAR's monopolizing the best black mage haven in the game, or even an identical, 18-taru RMT alliance stupidly zerging everything in sight ... I move on without another word, and wait for them to get bored.

I'm a bigger dork than most; chances are, I can outwait them.


This lil' bastard sounds like he needs to reflect on MMO etiquette a bit.


Solan said:
Damn Zyn you always have huge posts :P
Her posts are uncommonly well thought out and constructed, it's true. If you want to see a true demonstration of uncontrolled length, however, you should browse through a few of mine. I could fill phone books with my nerd-pumped typing fingers.
 
Hello! This was seriously worth your time to flame me over? I don't even know where to start with this. Let's start with meriting at Azouph Isle Staging Point. What level do you start going there? Level 66. So tell me why on earth would you take a MERIT pt there? A group of level 75s? A group of level 75 will kill this shit extremely fast and get mediocre XP. The problem is, the pulls are very long so it is hard to keep the chain going.(If you can, well props to you I haven't gotten their yet.) So you can't have been getting very good xp and in your process of slaughtering everything you hurt the other people that are level 66-70. This being said, if anything I was helping you by recommending the other imp camp with stronger imps, birds, and hell I could have even said Mamool Ja Staging point. All of which were viable options where you could get better XP and allow us to get some good XP as well.

Now that I've said that. I know Noni and Darksoo, we did bahamut v1 together so I was sort of talking to them, not you. So, lets get this straight, talking to them and not to you. Then, I get a multitude of tells from you about "for your information we were here first." ... and I'm the annoying one? I wasn't sending you tells demanding that you leave. I made a suggestion that would benefit the both of us.

Ok, and I tried to be nice about this, I really did. You said there were other places I could go at this level(70) and I said please tell me I would like to know. You then proceeded to recommend Crawlers in Mount Z. That right there like... come on. At this point I should bet he one flaming you. I'm trying to xp and outclaim 2 other merit level parties and you keep sending me tells. At one point(I wish I would have taken a screenshot but I didn't seriously think I'd be flamed over this) you wouldn't shut up. I even told you to shutup and you told me to take my own advice when I had been keeping to myself!

"This person went on to tell me how he was just trying to have a good night and exp." Exactly, and your PT was ruining that for me by undercamping yourselves. The amount of talent in that PT could easilly handle much better place to XP.

But you know what, Im not gunna change your mind and everyone on this forum will agree with you. Mainly because your female. Or atleast portray one. And in a way you are right and I never said you were wrong. First come first serve for sure. Forgive me for trying to assist both our PTs in getting more experience points. I guess its easier for you however to simply flame me and get a bunch of people on your band wagon to make you feel better about yourself. To justify your descision, train of thought. Because otherwise, I do not know why this was even worth a flame unless you were trying to get other people behind you so that you can feel better about yourself. Have fun.

-An arrogant, self centered, superior asshole.
 
Yeah, well, maybe Zyndara didn't need anymore wind crystals!! Ever think about that?! Maybe they wanted more dark crystals! Goddayum the nerve!
 
I don't care who you know and I don't care what you think of others choices. You had no right to be telling anyone to leave. None. If you think level 75s don't merit in the mire, I don't know what to tell you. Plenty of them do. And apparently you do not which is why wouldn't know the ridiculous amount of exp you can get there. It is nothing, with a bard party, to get 4 merits in a tiny amount of time there. I have partied there many many times both on bard, whm, and melee, all on merit jobs, and I know countless other level 75 folks who do as well.

If you were "talking to them" you should have sent a tell. And you didn't make a suggestion benefitting both of us. You were "asking" us to move and inconvenience 6 people who had been there a long time to leave at chain 100 because you didn't like the idea that someone was there before you. I have the screenshots and I could post them and will if you want to persist like I'm the asshole here. "Keeping to yourself" does not consist of /saying that people should leave so your party can exp where we have been minding our own business.

We were doing fine without your advice. You're right about one thing: There were many talented, knowledgeable people in that party doing what they have done many, many times and getting exceptional exp doing it. The only thing wrong about it was you telling us to leave.

And as for your witty little ending, I don't need anyone behind me. I stand on my own two feet as anyone who knows me can attest. I posted this because I'm amazed at your audacity. Maybe you were having a bad night, maybe you just were grumpy because everyone is packed since the update. I don't know and I don't care. It is typical of way too many players these days who expect people are going to just push out of thier way in this game lately and that's why I posted. You were the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. You could be a great person and a great player for all I know, but you were out of line tonight to tell us to move.
 
Well, I think both have
good points.

Although I disagree
with melfie on a couple things.
Sorry but I seriously have doubts
that you were simply looking out for
their best interests. If you were just
'trying to help both pt?" what do you care
if they all got d/c'd and never logged in again?
Give me a break.

Seriously sounds like
小学校 elementary school
problems. We were here first,
go away or I'll. . . wait this is
the internet! Shit!
Ok?
I even found this
incredibly useful and prominent[right word?]
guide on google. It's even in english!
Fancy that.
Code:
    70s
    Standard camps:
    67-75 Caedarva Mire (Heraldic Imp/Spongilla Fly)
    69-72 Mamook (Spinner)
    70-75 Bhaflau Thickets (Mamool Ja staging point)
    70-75 Mount Zhayolm (Ebony Pudding)
    70-75 Mamook (Sea Puk/Mamool Ja/Skoffin)
    73-75 Bhaflau Thickets (Nyzul Isle staging point)
    73-75 Mount Zhayolm (Hilltrolls)

    Alternate camps:
    67-70 Cape Terrigan (Greater Manticore)
    67-70 Dragon's Aery (Bark Tarantula/Darter)
    67-71 Kuftal Tunnel (Ovinnik/Greater Cockatrice)
    67-70 Bhaflau Thickets (Marid/Chigoe)
    67-70 Wajaom Woodlands (Marid/Chigoe)
    68-71 Bibiki Bay (Catoblepas/2nd-tier Hobgoblins)
    69-72 Ro'Maeve (2nd-tier Weapons)
    70-75 Caedarva Mire (Lamia Idolator/Heraldic Imp)
    70-75 Uleguerand Range (King Buffalo)
    72-75 King Ranperre's Tomb (Undead)
    72-75 Lufaise Meadows (Abraxas)
    72-75 The Shrine of Ru'Avitau
    73-75 Uleguerand Range (Kindred/Smolenkos/Molech)
    75++ The Garden of Ru'Hmet (Ix'DRG)

I'm not counting
how many but
seems at least 10 decent
camps to merit or exp, or
whatever. I don't know, but
why even bother fighting like
children over one stupid camp?
Makes no sense really.

Just because you're a female?
Girls are just as big of bitches as
guys are. You just proved it.
 
ユウミ☆;736911 said:
Just because you're a female?
Girls are just as big of bitches as
guys are. You just proved it.

What an idiotic statement to make. We weren't fighting. We were asked to move by a party who didn't have the sense to /sea an area before going to exp. It's not about being a bitch. It's about having some courtesy for other people, not acting like someone who isn't doing anything wrong owes you some kind of explanation for exping where they're perfectly within their right to exp.
 
Her posts are uncommonly well thought out and constructed, it's true. If you want to see a true demonstration of uncontrolled length, however, you should browse through a few of mine. I could fill phone books with my nerd-pumped typing fingers.
I Lol'd

And yea she can make a simple reply to something like a entire 5 paragraph essay lol.
Yeah, well, maybe Zyndara didn't need anymore wind crystals!! Ever think about that?! Maybe they wanted more dark crystals! Goddayum the nerve!
No, I didn't think of that :(
 
What an idiotic statement to make. We weren't fighting. We were asked to move by a party who didn't have the sense to /sea an area before going to exp. It's not about being a bitch. It's about having some courtesy for other people, not acting like someone who isn't doing anything wrong owes you some kind of explanation for exping where they're perfectly within their right to exp.

You both have your rights.
That was actually at melfie
but I guess that wasn't the nicest
thing to say either way. This was
just kind of a long, drawn-out
flame over something seemingly
small and silly to people who
weren't involved. You're both
being pretty defensive, if you
take a step back and look
at what happened it's like. . .
okay? I'm sorry you guys argued
about an exp camp and then some
random people were sending tells
"ya srsly we were hear 1st ok?"

from the sound of it
you both seem to have
thought you had a right to a camp,
and that was 'your' camp. They could
camp right on you if they wanted.
what are you going to do?
I personally cringe when people
abuse the auto transator. Why would
you use [please] if you speak the same
language? It looks like you're being a mocking
douche with no sense of courtesy.

I guess I just don't understand
why you both are
so upset, besides the fact he pissed
you off, and you pissed him off.
why don't you both tell eachother
to fuck off and go make out later.
did i say make out? I meant make up,
same thing ?
 
If it was a bad night, everyone has one, and so be it. But in the future, if you're coming into a place where people have been long before you (and I'm talking you in the broad sense as in whoever), don't think you have some right to tell them to move. Melfie, as you know, since you mentioned you know Soo and Noni, you weren't talking to people who have played this game for only 5 mins, and even if you didn't intend to come across like you were some kind of superior authority, you still did. And I for one simply don't appreciate someone treating me that way.
 
I am so horribly sorry that you felt that I was coming across as some sort of superior. But what you have to realize is I wasn't even talking to you. And if anything, I poking fun at darksoo and noni. And you just took it and ran with it until it was sooo ridiculous I don't even know what to do. So I tell you Im trying to experience points, please just leave me alone. (I said shutup but at this point you had pissed me off) Then I find out you've flamed me!? WHAT!? People are saying I had the audicity to ask you to leave. Jesus christ, I never asked you to leave. I said go merit someplace else. And it was directed at people I knew!? You think I would say something like that to a bunch of strangers!? The shit thats being said now is so far beyond anything that I ever intended with that statement like... And I'm sorry, but if this isn't about justifying yourself or whatever, why flame me? If this is just about bitching... why use names? Honestly... GAH seriously, take me off your blacklist and lets discuss this like adults. Instead of like children over a flame board.
 
I have to agree with Melfie,
from the sound of it
a flame might have been a little over
the top. Having a talk with him in
private is better than making it
everyone's business.
 
You don't know the difference between /say and /tell and want to tell me to shut up, you don't care what I have to say... now you want to come here and make it out like I'm this unreasonable child? Act like an adult? That's rich. "Shut up. I really don't care" sounds adult to me. Sure, I'll take you off blist and we'll discuss it like grown ups then since you weren't capable of it earlier.
 
I agree melf about meriting in the mire, its just stupid, and your getting shit exp while stealing 68-74's exp.

However, It doesnt matter what you think, there will always be merit pt's here, and nothing you say will change that. They were their, so leave it be.

**On a side note, apparently this flame was too much for melf and so he decided to randomly ditch our party. Thanks again
 
I agree melf about meriting in the mire, its just stupid, and your getting shit exp while stealing 68-74's exp.

However, It doesnt matter what you think, there will always be merit pt's here, and nothing you say will change that. They were their, so leave it be.

**On a side note, apparently this flame was too much for melf and so he decided to randomly ditch our party. Thanks again

I'm sorry I had to deal with this. That's all there is to it man. It was handle this fire before it got out of control and get some XP which I can get anytime. Or attempt to salvage a decent relationship with someone. Sorry I hurt your XP, /tell me sometime and make a PT. I'll make it up to you.
 
Melfie and I just had a discussion. Apparently Melfie is friends with two of the people that were in our party and says he was joking when he said these things in /say. Though it didn't seem to me to be the case consideing the conversation I had with him following, chock it up to being late, and misunderstanding what Melfie admits probably should have been a tell. We pissed each other off, and, as I said, it was a misunderstanding after witnessing one too many displays of lacking courtesy lately.

And as for the folks saying Mire makes for shitty meriting, I guess I've been fortunate. I pull as bard and every merit party I've had there (with folks like tonight, who know what they are doing) has kicked ass and resulted in several merits in short order. I'm not one to parse, never have been, but I certainly know when exp is not good. Merits per hour is enough evidence for me.
 
I'm sorry I had to deal with this. That's all there is to it man. It was handle this fire before it got out of control and attempt to salvage a decent relationship with someone or, get some XP which I can get anytime. Sorry I hurt your XP, /tell me sometime and make a PT. I'll make it up to you.

... correction ...
 
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