Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

Its nice to see the typical responses where people make their judgements on a lack of information. Thanks Makelith, you're a perfect example ^^

To clear up a few things, it wasn't known to us "fool leaders" that there had been an agreement made, on who was going to lot the YYR. What we knew, is that both Myrrh and Soulstar had spent time this week camping and getting the ToDs for Shiki. In our LS, which both are members of... we have 3 SMNs that need the YYR and many of our members have volunteered to help them. It has been discussed on our forum, that these 3 SMNs would be keeping track of the ToDs, and whenever people could be available they would post and go out to help.

Tonight, Myrrh and Soulstar both brought help. Both had camped and put effort, so both should have had equal lotting rights correct?

Apparently not, Myrrh had asked to have the first drop. Now going by rules of how I play, if someone else had put in as much effort as myself for something and also brought help, I would never ask to have the first drop. To me, we both get to lot and both are still expected to put in the work until both go home with the drop.

Anyways, when Shiki was killed, we were told that Soulstar hadn't lotted. We advised him to, feeling that he had just as much right to lot as Myrrh. Not knowing the agreement before hand, that advice should have been fine IF that was the situation.

A couple of people in our LS had some dealings with Myrrh, which according to them was proof he had been "gear greedy" before. I don't know the stories or details, and through all my experiences with Myrrh, this has never been the case. I can't control what other people feel through their own experiences with people. Not everyone gets along with everyone. However, let me remind everyone that the name of who was going to get the YYR wasn't important tonight, it was the fact that it was one of our LS members that would end up with it that mattered. The people going to help, do not deserve to be trashed or judged because they were there to help both Myrrh and Soulstar. Thats how TBH goes, someone needs help they request it on the forum and we do our best to get it done. Sometimes we can't do it right away, but I have yet to see a request other than an HNM drop being disregarded.

The first mistake that was made tonight is agreeing to something that would have been unfair: someone having priority lotting, when equal effort had previously been made towards the NM.

The second mistake made, is that before lotting, Soulstar should have made it clear with Myrrh that he no longer felt his initial decision was fair and that he would like to be able to lot, and the two could have discussed that.

Unfortunately, we're not perfect. This game sometimes makes people make decisions that are wrong and after talking with Soulstar, he realizes he could have made better decisions that would have entirely changed what happened.

All I have left to say is that its disappointing to hear that an endgame LS had outright ignored a request to help with this NM, until a certain popular tarutaru said it was going to be for himself... when the member helping, had apparently not received anything yet had always helped whenever needed. It bothers me that all of a sudden, my LS is being attacked and judged because of a couple of people who have voiced opinions based on their experiences, because every time Myrrh ever mentioned Shiki in LS, he was never ignored. In fact, I organized a group to help him last week while he was busy doing endgame and we were able to meet up with him. These people had nothing to gain, we went out to help because Myrrh was a LS member and we enjoy helping. I don't believe once he was ever given "silence" when he mentioned Shiki, which is apparently the treatment he was given when he requested his endgame LS help him.

To Jyakotsu - You really need to find something else to do with your time. You feed on drama way too easily, and going out of YOUR way to tarnish other people, speaks a lot about you.

To Myrrh - I'm sorry for what happened tonight. I don't feel you need to hate an entire LS when the majority wanted to help you and continue helping until all our SMNs had their YYR. I don't think you should have asked to have the first drop, because that seems a bit selfish and you both should have had equal opportunity to begin with. I understand how much you want to progress your SMN, and as i've already told you I will help you get there. The comments you made about TBH really upset me, because I was going to be taking 3-4 hrs of my time Sunday to help you get all the avatars done, and when you make your comments you're including me because i'm one of the members.

The most upsetting thing here, is what has happened because of a pixelated item that has no real value in life. People are outright attacking each other and making judgements instead of trying to find a resolution and fix things.

There was no need to bring this here. The reason why? Someone made a mistake, and has already admitted to having wished they had made better decisions. This person isn't someone that goes around ninja lotting, this is someone who has spent hours helping other lower lvl players get their subjob items, farming NMs, coffers etc. Unfortunately though, a bad decision was made and really before people start condemning someone they don't know, they should find out what has been done or is in the process of being done to rectify things.

I'm tired and I can't think of anything more to say.
 
Supraisingly, Zera and Xean is well known in qcdn, i wonder will this affect their repulation D:


also, Ninja Lotting is never right thing to do, shows no respect for other but themself, and being greedy.
 
Zer, i'd agree with you if i didn't see the LS. I don't want anything to do with your ls ever again. I see how respected I am. There is a reason to post here.
 
Zerayla said:
The most upsetting thing here, is what has happened because of a pixelated item that has no real value in life. People are outright attacking each other and making judgements instead of trying to find a resolution and fix things.
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I suppose then the time spent getting the ToD and gathering the people is meaningless then?
 
lmao i laugh at this, i seriously was just waiting for you to post. This was a coy attempt at trying to flip the blame.

First off in no way was this equal camping, because first off, I even camped this NM more than your fucking ls mate. Your ls mate was there one time, NOT 3 fucking weeks like me and myrrh, so tell me how that is equal time spent?

Secondly, you still did not display why your bf and you condoned NINJA LOTTING, read post your bf clearly admitted to telling soulstar to ninja lot it.

Thirdly, wow i still dont see an apologetic bone in your body. Still a coy attempt at passing the buck.... Awesome. Scum w/ scum i presume. Well have fun w/ your toy. I expect a full turnout for myrrhs YYR and my robe as well, unless you are going to fucking back out of your word...
 
if you call me a fucktard again zerayla ill totally deface you w/ more SS. do not make me do it. I'll give you one chance to appologize.
 
Myrrh put more effort into camping/getting ToD of Shikigami than Soulstar did.
 
Having an agreement who get the drop before camping a NM is actually good most of the times. It helps to clear and avoid misunderstanding...

I lotted the YYR who supposedly belong to my ls leader, but that was after i asked him can i lot it before any of us in the party lotted the YYR. He agreed and i got the YYR. I went back with the leader and couple ls mates to camp shiki for him, and got the drop on third run.

From the ss, it "seemingly" obvious that most people in the alliance knew that Myrrh is supposedly the person that was gonna lot the YYR. And again from SS, soulstar "seemed" like he planned to ninja-lot the YYR due to last minute lot or afk after drop (most ninja lotter always do this).
 
TBH is far and above the best and only social/event LS I will ever be a part of. Regardless...I'm still a little shocked about this. Everybody in that LS knows that if 100 people needed a YYR, Zer and Xean would have been there for 100 pops, along with the tremendous amount of help that others give and take in TBH.

There is no way that I could even take a side here. If certain people want to sell the LS up the river because as Zer said "They should have equal lotting rights", then thats their own perogative. But Myrrh, Enny, Evannai and the rest, you know the leaders of TBH would be there at the drop of a dime to help you with anything and everything you needed/wanted. Especially regarding how the LS is founded on helping others.

If you want to move on, good for you, and good luck, but remember your roots, and remember how much Zer and Xean do for every other member of that LS.

I would have quit this game long ago if it wasn't for those two stand-up players.
 
Zerayla said:
A couple of people in our LS had some dealings with Myrrh, which according to them was proof he had been "gear greedy" before. I don't know the stories or details, and through all my experiences with Myrrh, this has never been the case. I can't control what other people feel through their own experiences with people.
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Xean used the term in a tell in the OP. This has never come up in an RL conversation before or anything? I'm assuming you're both leaders of the ls (I dunno personally) but is this really the type of thing a leader should be saying about a member of their shell to other people? And even if they feel that way, using it as a justification of butting into a situation they know nothing about and screwing someone out of gear isn't a good thing to do.
 
Nice post Zer, I do believe your end but please read the OP's screenshots of Xean's tells. Might wanna have a little 'chat' with him.

Myrrh, what happened sucks ass. My schedule is absolutely horrific at the moment but if at any time I'm able to come I'll be there for shiki. =)
 
Oh and by my experience with Myrrh, being in endgame LS with him for quite a good chunk of months, he's very much the opposite of a gear whore. I think he's probably one of the few people that got LESS items than I did during our tenures in Rise.
 
Zer, your defense totally contradicts what's said by Xean, clear-cut in the screenshots. I'm afraid you're either lying or you seem to be missing part of the picture. =/

Also, it's not "your entire LS" being accused for this...it's just you, Xean and Soulstar. And a lot of the blame...is from your LS. Many others from people who were there as well. And they were there by Myrrh's request; I can guarantee you if they were asked to "come help Soulstar", at least half of them probably wouldn't have shown.

Tim Wakefield said:
remember how much Zer and Xean do for every other member of that LS.
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Wouldn't this amount to absolutely nothing if them openly slandering Myrrh in the LS is in fact true?
 
I'll probably said, this was some form of miscommunication between the ls members in TBH. For the sake of the ls, you guys should probably settle this in-game rather than feeding/fueling this flame thread.
 
Zerayla said:
To clear up a few things, it wasn't known to us "fool leaders" that there had been an agreement made, on who was going to lot the YYR.
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So you told somone to ninja lot an item from somone else in your own shell. Ignorance isn't a good excuse. Make up somthing better or get ready for the shit storm.

Anyways, when Shiki was killed, we were told that Soulstar hadn't lotted. We advised him to, feeling that he had just as much right to lot as Myrrh. Not knowing the agreement before hand, that advice should have been fine IF that was the situation.
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Ignorance again...come on. This was somone in the same shell as you. Just shows how you two view your members to speak that poorly about them.

The first mistake that was made tonight is agreeing to something that would have been unfair: someone having priority lotting, when equal effort had previously been made towards the NM.
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Equal time? Not according to every other person so far. Seems like you were just extremely ignorant to the situation and gave somone horrid advice that screwed over one of your own members.

The second mistake made, is that before lotting, Soulstar should have made it clear with Myrrh that he no longer felt his initial decision was fair and that he would like to be able to lot, and the two could have discussed that.
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Hmmm, ya think? Instead he lots with 10 seconds left...that makes sense...
 
Zerayla said:
it wasn't known to us "fool leaders" that there had been an agreement made, on who was going to lot the YYR. What we knew, is that both Myrrh and Soulstar had spent time this week camping and getting the ToDs for Shiki.
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Sounds like what we were talking about earlier Jyaky.

Only focus I hold is against Soul in this flame for breaking said agreement, and perhaps the distrust explained of an internal LS member in /tells from the other gentleman.

Gear hungry or not, should Myrrh not have helped with Soul's after getting this, you'd see his constitution and willingness to stick to his word and help a "Friend"/LSmate.

All-in-all I think a misunderstanding and being in the dark on TBH's part, and Soul being so afraid of being dicked over, he decided to do it first.

- Lec
 
You know Zer, you're not right coming in here holier than thou art to people when not only do you not have all the facts, but you are presuming to know who was/is around from other shells to help. Perhaps YOU and your bf should have gotten all the facts before counseling a shell member to counterlot when there was an agreement between them. The amount of work put in was NOT equal because Myrrh isn't in your shell 24/7 and you wouldn't know how much time he's invested or how long he's asked for assistance from anyone other than your own shell.

The fact is Myrrh also posted for help in our linkshell forums and asked for my help personally, so I know exactly how long he has been looking for ToD. And it's been a lot longer than a week. And how dare you try to shame our shell for allegedly "ignoring" anything. Who the hell are you to even think you know about it? Maybe people fuck around doing nothing in your shell all day long, but most of us are busy with plenty of things during the time we're on. When we can help we do, and when we can't... and sometimes we physically cannot, we make every effort to help when next we can, IE: the charyb we recently got for someone who camped the ToD and many people came last minute to help, or the dune boots we were able to get for someone within the last week. You have nerve questioning anyone's motives or jumping to conclusions considering your behavior. If your shell was so itching to help, if so many smns needed, where was all the help Myrrh was asking for tonight? More than half that alliance tonight was members from our LS not yours, and many of them were members who were there last night also for this fight (where soulstar and his buddy were no where to be seen or found). Don't presume to know our shell or our member activity because you don't have the first clue. Jyakotsu offered to help Myrrh with this long before he ever wanted it for himself, and, like a real friend (and decent person) wasn't lotting tonight specifically because he knew the work Myrrh had put into this and I, as well as many others who came were there simply to help out. The fact is, this wasn't a TBH only event. And your people were not the only ones camping ToDs because I was there at times when Myrrh was the ONLY person from your shell (AND ours lest you forget) there to get it.

The fact is Myrrh put a longer amount of time into this, Myrrh gathered the most people to make it happen, and MOST pivotal of all, he agreed with Soulstar beforehand, I could only as a LOGICAL person assume because of these above factors, that Myrrh would be the one to lot the first drop.

And you can save that... oh it's so sad, all this over pixelated crap bullshit because in RL, you don't fuck over friends and people you trust. In fact most decent people don't fuck over ANYONE if they can help it. If this "pixelated item" was so unimportant, then why were you encouraging, behind the back of one of your own members, for something YOU KNEW would cause stress and hurt feelings. I'm sorry I have lost all respect for a "leader" who would pull something like this then come up in here trying to turn it around like the people who were present don't know what they're talking about. The screenshots are right there.

And as for the "oh this shouldn't have been handled on the flameboard" garbage, you can take that nonsense somewhere else. Because you were deceitful to one of your own members and encouraged underhanded activity you knew would only foster a conflict situation. What, Myrrh was supposed to speak with you calmly and rationally with you and Xean laughing in his face behind his back? Spare me. The only thing that shold be coming out of your mouth or Soulstar's is I'm sorry. You should have stopped at simply that, horribly inadequate as it is, in your above post instead of trying to badmouth another shell and its members who didn't do anything but come out to support their fellow member. Which is more than I can say for you two as leaders and at least one of your members who was so "selfless" and "willing to help" that he reneged on an his word to let the person he knew put more time in lot an item he earned.
 
Quoting Mesh

I am editing LS Chat in TBH defending innocent and blocking out names other than those in attendence at the run. They will be up tonite. In these posts Zerayla and Xean have both called Myrrh a fuck up and a liar and a cheat. And that its good that Soulstar lotted so that Myrrh couldnt get it today. I Will post them tonite after skanya goes to bed.
 
Who cares if you're a gear whore or not, practically everyone desires more gear and such to better their character to help out or whatever the reason may be, but I know Myrrh would be the trusting kind to help others out and keep his word, after all, he already completed AN before I did and got his earring when he was going to do a run with me, meanwhile he was really nice and stayed 2-3 hours to aid us with raises or whatever while I was fighting the battle with another group that he got me in, and he didn't even get the chance to join in the fight, yet he still stuck around.

As for the LS leaders, it's wrong for them to assume the wrong things of Myrrh just because others might've done the same thing in the past, but I bet Soul would've been the one to get YYR and not help with the others if it was him to get the YYR next anyways, and perhaps the LS leaders were friends with him too. I can't really say since I don't know much about him other than the fact that he's a backstabbing, greedy son of a bitch.
 
Mishaela said:
Wouldn't this amount to absolutely nothing if them openly slandering Myrrh in the LS is in fact true?
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Not in my mind it wouldn't. If you saw our LS's Event board, you wouldn't even believe the amount of time those two put into completing every single quest for every single member, old, new, high level and low level. Sure, Myrrh called "First Lot", and Xean disagreed with that, but it shouldn't tarnish the fact that those two are above and beyond the best LS leaders in this game. Like I said, every SMN in this LS is gonna get that robe anyways, so this whole argument is for not. If it was over a piece of AF2, or something more rare, It'd be a different story. And people are gonna judge on something that they have no part of, which is also completely unfair to the leaders of this LS.
 
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