Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

Okay heres something for you guys. If i'm the one who can't be trusted why did Soul not /tell me at all about lotting? If he wanted to lot in the beginging he could have /tell'd me about it. instead he stayed silent till the last min. LS leaders aside he's the one who can't be trusted.
 
Okay heres something for you guys. If i'm the one who can't be trusted why did Soul not /tell me at all about lotting? If he wanted to lot in the beginging he could have /tell'd me about it. instead he stayed silent till the last min. LS leaders aside he's the one who can't be trusted.

Yup, exactly my point. I get the feeling that Soulstar might be feeding wrong stuff/info to the leaders.
 
Yes, it was an assumed opinion. Sorry that it wasn't worded correctly.

And to Mara: I'm not really playing the "Friend Card". I've seen that card played around here as long as you have. I just thought it should be known that I respect the leaders of this LS more than anybody in this game. Sure, the situation at hand is somewhat shady, and believe me that I was absolutely stunned when I read this thread, but I trust that Xean had some reasoning as to why he told Soul to lot.

I know Myrrh isn't a gear-whore. In fact, he just got his AF2 body the other night iirc after being outlotted like 8 times? I respect and like Myrrh as much as the next guy. He should have never been told from the get-go that the first robe was his.

If it was me in the same situation, I would have shrugged it off and waited for the next pop, knowing that the same people would have been there 21 hours later, helping me the same way.
 
Everyone in the group was operating under the assumption that it was Myrrh's robe, judging by the reactions of everyone after.
 
Oh, pleaseee... Unless Soulstar is mentally-handicapped (no offense intended) that he is not capable to make his own decision, i will blame him over the ninja-lotting of YYR.

lol my reasoning is based on not knowing anything about Soulstar, and only knowing what I do about Xean and the DRG girl from their posting on QCDN. If you know him and think that, fine, cool, I generally assume anyone I dont know is an idiot. It makes it a pleasant surprise when/if I turn out to be wrong.
 
This is epic.

Jyako's posts hurt my head even if he does provide solid evidence. Presentation is key on a flameboard buddy. :P

Its pretty evident to me that both leaders and the ninjalotter fucked up big time here. Not only was there some seriously questionable decision making, but as a leader you don't *ever* throw a single member under the bus for any reason. If you're not happy with a member's attitude/performance, you kick them and move on with your business. Don't string someone along under false pretenses. That's immature and amateur, especially if they've helped improve your team in some way.

Your reputation is the most valuable commodity you may possess here. To throw it away over an item as common as a YYR (especially when you're in line to get one sooner or later) is a bad call if you ask me.

The real question is...

Does rookie leadership get a mulligan on this one? Sounds to me like that's Myrrh's call at this point.
 
OMFG wat an AHOLe.......ninjalotted......you are the shit....SOULSTAR
 
Everyone in the group was operating under the assumption that it was Myrrh's robe, judging by the reactions of everyone after.

Well, I wasn't present for that, so I can't make any argument for or against either side.

Basically, all my posts were geared towards holding our LS together. To be honest, I could give a shit less what anyone thinks about the situation. I'm just saddened to see Myrrh, Loke, Enny, and the like go out on such bad terms. If it had any help-factor at all towards those people, then it was a success in my book.
 
lol my reasoning is based on not knowing anything about Soulstar, and only knowing what I do about Xean and the DRG girl from their posting on QCDN. If you know him and think that, fine, cool, I generally assume anyone I dont know is an idiot. It makes it a pleasant surprise when/if I turn out to be wrong.

I don't know any of the people that is involve, i don't know Myrhh or Xean or Zeralya or Jyakotsu or Soulstar whoever. I'm just a neutral party =p.
 
Everyone in the group was operating under the assumption that it was Myrrh's robe, judging by the reactions of everyone after.

We'll it's not now, and I'm not asking to poke me with a ToD because I wouldn't want it on my head should it get leaked, but if you guys find a pop or need a hand camping and I'm done here, feel free to enlist my aid if others are asleep. I play weird hours.

Happy to help the would-be, rightful owner reach that goal.

- Lec
 
Well, one person in our LS need that robe Lecr .. XD
 
Since I was the one that told Soulstar to lot, I am the one who should respond. I am the largest proponent of my conviction which I will now explicate.

I'll outright declare it here first: I told Soulstar that Myrrh (and the others with him) was not to be trusted with future endeavors towards obtaining the YYR after having received his own first.

I have noticed the behaviors Myrrh exhibited in my LS that displayed characteristics of gearwhoring. One of the most prominent examples of this include a dispute that Myrrh had with another LS member whom is very trusted, Alianne. Alianne has been designated with officer status and endowed with a pearlsack. Those in officer status have authority to maintain control within the LS when problems break out. They are not to be freely exercise and abuse this power, and it has not. There was already one occasion during which Alianne disclosed his dislike of Myrrh's boasting about the gear he owns. It happened once, and it happened another time. Myrrh again did the same thing that he was made aware of that would disgruntle an officer. Though this particular issue was handled within the LS, it succeeded in exposing Myrrh's ego and coveting of virtual equipment.

Though Myrrh would continue cursing, speaking of vulgar topics, and exasperating some members within the LS beyond the boundaries set by the linkshell rules, I did not want to remove him. In the beginning of his time joining us, I was aware of the help he was giving out to other members. This, I felt, superceded his language that really hardly harmed anyone. That was something that did stand out to me, and was pleased with. However, I was becoming disappointed as I noticed a gradual change towards selectiveness. Though it was never enough to me to warrant a removal, going with mostly his preferences showed, to an extent, a degree of selfishness. It is normal for members to become closer friends with some members than others, but to have favoritism in who to help out is something that goes against one of the tenets of the linkshell.

More concrete examples that Myrrh would be selfish when it comes to gear were made aware to me when my friend Anderoc had told me that, in endgame shells, Myrrh would be one to occasionally lot gear despite it being agreed that another member would make better use of it or was planned to lot on it. An example of this was when Necrosis was lotting for Goliard Clogs but then Myrrh suddenly lotted it, won, and said that he only lotted to beat out Necrosis.

All of this was enough for me to consider it too much a risk for Soulstar to allow Myrrh to obtain YYR. Both Myrrh and Soulstar were working keeping up Shikigami's ToD. What Soulstar already had in mind was for the high level SMNs in the LS, including Myrrh, to get their YYR. This was shown in the following image, quote: "We need to pimp out our SMNs!" Despite Soulstar's enthusiasm, throughout the rest of the topic Myrrh had never responded to that. Alone, it neither shows that Myrrh did nor did not plan to help the other SMNs get their gear. But consider what was already mentioned, and what will be mentioned.

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After I had told Soulstar to not trust Myrrh and should lot on the YYR. Peculiarly, Myrrh confronted Soulstar today with the proposition that were the YYR were to drop from Shikigami, Myrrh would be the only one to lot and thus be exclusively entitled to the drop. Soulstar conceded, eclipsing his own fears of the item dropping and going specifically to one person. The peculiar thing was that Myrrh even proposed that he be the one to first obtain the YYR. Since he is not the only SMN in the LS, and considering our LS promotes community rather than individualism, it would have been second nature to assume that all LS SMNs were entitled to the YYR were it to drop, if they were there camping of course. Instead, Myrrh followed the behaviors that correlate with the characteristics typical to self-interests. Adding to this, most of the argument from those on the other side is that Myrrh was keeping up the ToD for a longer period of time before Soulstar began. This really is irrelevant within the context of our linkshell, and exposes the self-centeredness of some people. This would have proven to be irrelevant if Shikigami continued not dropping and Soulstar would keep following up with the ToD.

After the lot was done and Soulstar obtained the YYR, I sent a /tell to Myrrh disclosing that I was the one who told him to lot the item when I was aware of his friends verbally assaulting Soulstar. I said to Myrrh why I told Soulstar to lot, which was that Myrrh was not to be trusted, as stated in the beginning of this post. Myrrh never responded to me when I told him that he couldn't be relied upon to exert the effort to help Soulstar get his own YYR. In the beginning, there might be occasional times camping, but analogous to helping other LS members in general, it would have dwindled down to little or no time and effort given.

First, the image of me /telling Myrrh:

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It is not apparent in that image that he never responded to me afterwards, if not for the following:

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The first omission that of not replying to my open distrust of Myrrh in relation to gear indicated that either he was far too upset to want to denounce it or the unspoken admittance to the truth. Though that can be open to opposing interpretations, I am one to stand on the belief that it is far more likely that not denouncing a claim is a silent surrender. This does not completely toss out the possibility that one would be too frustrated to want to do anything but be frustrated. However, for the rest of the night, I was still not confronted with a denouncement of my supposition. As the previous image shows, I was met with hostility some time after the incident. I was accused of repeating an action, which in fact could not even be repeated since Alianne had announced ahead of time that his internet connection would be down. For the past week, this has shown to be the case and continues to be so. I have already personally been to Shikigami with Myrrh, and if I really was one to condone and even encourage gear theft, I would have already told Zerayla to plan on lotting a YYR if it dropped since she plans to get SMN up at some point. On this particular case between Soulstar and Myrrh, our disagreements led to an argument. This argument wouldn't have to happen today because it already would have if I had told her to plan on doing it herself before.

Do I encourage ninjalotting? No. If this were the case, it would have already been committed before during the past KSNM runs and fairly recent Ohat run between our LS and some PhoenixPimps members, including Cmdrfly himself. What I do encourage is prevention of naivety and to being used. It was done that way because I was only made aware of this after Myrrh's lot on the YYR was made, which was too late for us to have talked between Myrrh and Soulstar to discard the ordering of YYR lotting. Had I been made aware of this before the lotting or mob even popped, I would have made sure that BOTH members were entitled to the gear.
 
Yup, exactly my point. I get the feeling that Soulstar might be feeding wrong stuff/info to the leaders.

Obviously the heart of the matter lay at the feet of the person who actually did the ninja-lotting, yes. However, as the screenshots show, the leadership of that shell not only condoned but actively encouraged this behavior. They play a large part in the responsibility for this whole mess. If, as you say, they didn't have all the facts, or didn't hear both sides of the story, then they should have kept their mouths shut (or fingers still) until they did instead of not only discrediting someone who is well liked & well known and respected, but trying to smear another linkshell and its members in the process. If you want to close your eyes to those facts, that's your business. But this is about the whole story. And ignoring the part their leadership played is like trying to ignore a pink elephant in the middle of a small room. Let them own up to the wrong they did instead of backpeddaling and shifting blame just like the person they encouraged to ninja lot.
 
To be honest, I could give a shit less what anyone thinks about the situation.

We figured that out already. Just remember that the "me against the world" strategy doesn't always work.
 
So let me get this straight.....

Ill keep this short for your feeble brain xean.

You just called your GF a liar. And you just said you condone Ninjalotting.


LMAO you fucking fail.
 
Good post Xean XD ... meh honestly i don't care now.
I guess it's misunderstanding on different parts and resentment towards other members that finally go "kaboom".

Just go back tomorrow and get another robe..... /sigh /sulk

Lecr: I'll tell you when i get back from work. ^^
 

you're entire position hinges on the assumption that he wouldn't be back the next day, correct?

As noted in this thread, that's false.

Leaders#1 and #2 down. Anyone else from TBH wanna step up and get shot down?
 
These LS leaders are either very foolish or very drunk to say what they did, Nice support for somebody in your own Linkshell there Zera, Paladin of Valor ha!

Xean said:
I have noticed the behaviors Myrrh exhibited in my LS that displayed characteristics of gearwhoring. One of the most prominent examples of this include a dispute that Myrrh had with another LS member whom is very trusted, Alianne. Alianne has been designated with officer status and endowed with a pearlsack. Those in officer status have authority to maintain control within the LS when problems break out. They are not to be freely exercise and abuse this power, and it has not. There was already one occasion during which Alianne disclosed his dislike of Myrrh's boasting about the gear he owns.
Good grief man your LS sounds like Nazi germany, so if somebody brags a little about their gear they are subject to this kind of treatment? Nice Social shell there
 
you're entire position hinges on the assumption that he wouldn't be back the next day, correct?

As noted in this thread, that's false.

Leaders#1 and #2 down. Anyone else from TBH wanna step up and get shot down?

Shot down by someone who essentially has no business in the matter anyways? Word.
 
Shot down by someone who essentially has no business in the matter anyways? Word.

And to think if i can do it from outside the matter entirely, i must be a damned good shot.
 
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