Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

i've always seen myrrh as a joker of sorts both here and ingame. and i pick on him all the time cause of that. :P

that robe is one of the defining gear peices for a smn. and he worked his butt off to get both his lvl up and (from what im reading) the ToD. im really sorry this happened to you man.
 
Myrrh deserves apologies not just for the yanking his YYR but also for the slandering and the posting ( and reposting) of private LS rants. How rude!

I have seen Myrrh help others again and again when there has been no personal gain involved.

I imagine how I would feel had I camped for weeks on a TOD to have it yanked after a prior agreement after a leader of my LS told someone to lot against me. I'd be angry and pissed and out of that shell faster than you could blink.


Take a step back and reflect on your actions, and try and be really honest with yourselves, instead of finding justification for them.

Myrrh my hours here are a bit like Lecs if i can help let me know.
 
Myrrh: Isn't Shiki's spawn right at the entrance of Ro'Maeve?

I'll come down and help (not certain how much help I'll *be*) but I'll definitely whiff my scythe in his face for you :)
 
Zerayla said:
For those saying Myrrh was slandered, I didn't call Myrrh anything. Xean had an opinion about Myrrh being trustworthy, but that is not slander. I believe that at one point one member in the LS did direct an attack to Myrrh, and it was at that point that I told the LS to end the discussion. Those that have posted in this topic and were in LS can vouch for that.

Slander may be a strong word, but whatever label you want to put on it, it is a leader speaking ill of a member of his own shell... Not to Myrrh's face, not in the privacy of your personal council, but behind Myrrh's back and to apparently anyone he felt like. I applaud you for stopping your linkshell members from carrying on if that is indeed what happened. However, you can't "do as I say, not as I do" if you're any kind of leader. Xean's actions and words directly undermine and are hypocritical to what you're saying.

Zerayla said:
The last time i'm going to say this: I did not know an agreement was made when I encouraged Soulstar to lot. Had I know this, I would of questioned him why he had given priority because I felt both should have equal lotting rights. If something had been decided, then its not my business to tell him to go against that agreement. When I spoke to Jyakotsu, I didn't know that fact at that point. I confirmed it with Zyn after Soulstar mentioned it to me, after he had won the lot. Guess I should take screenshots more often. =/

I never denied this fact. I said so to Jyak in those tells that you had told me that. But understand the context: At the same time you're sending me these tells saying that Soul did not make you aware of any agreement with Myrrh, Xean was acting like he could care less and telling Jyakotsu that he instructed him to ninja lot and that Myrrh could not be trusted. What I got from you was basically, "I can't really deal with this right now I'm busy...I'll talk to you later in PMs." You knew right then and there that something wasn't right, obviously. You had to know then that this would blow up. In my mind, right then, nothing else should have taken priority over resolving this issue. Rather than handle the situation immediately by maybe speaking to Myrrh about what had transpired or speaking to Xean once I gave you this "unknown" information, you blew us all off. You had the power to end it there or mediate it at the very least and you didn't. Instead you came here and 1) questioned the terms of an agreement made in advance between two of your members (if he was so against it then, why did he consent), 2) questioned Myrrh's character, not from personal experiences but from heresay from other unnamed people, and 3) had the audacity to question Fury and their member's willingness and/or ability to provide help to those seeking it, which is not only totally irrelevant (if it was even remotely true), but you have no knowledge or basis (as with questioning Myrrh's character) to even begiin to speak on the matter. You had no right.

Zerayla said:
I spoke with Soulstar tonight and he feels ashamed, his words exactly about his decisions. He regrets them, and wishes he had done differently. We both spoke before he logged out, and seemed hopeful we could find a way to make things right and make sure Myrrh got his YYR. Whether or not people can forgive and give that opportunity, we'll have yet to see.

He should feel ashamed. And considering the way this was handled, I think more than just he should feel some embarrassment. It's nice to see someone apologize for something so obviously wrong, and I hope he works up the guts, along with Xean, to apologize to Myrrh personally, if for nothing else, for halftruths and unnecessary unkindness on Soul's part and deliberate and intentful deception on Xean's. The sad thing is that several of us would have been willing to help again if only asked, as many of us stated previously. And Jyakotsu at least will be assured in our help again getting his.

I've never had a problem with you before tonight Zerayla. On the contrary I've always thought you were thoughtful and fairly open-minded when it came to things. But I saw a side today that just blows my mind. Nothing's wrong with making mistakes. Everyone makes them. But how you resolve those mistakes is that shows your character. You can say we're all villifying you and Xean and Soul or make it out like we're being unfair, but this whole situation has reached this point because it was not handled when it should have been. The perceptions people are making of you three are based on facts, and if that causes you three discomfort, well, that's unfortunate but if you make a bed, you better lay in it. I won't be apologizing for standing up for someone who I witnessed be wronged by people he trusted with the facts surroudning what happened.

Contrary to what you think I don't think you, Xean, and Soul are evil or bad people, nor do I think anyone else thinks so. No one's discounting the things you've done in the past for others or any of that. I just think you three made some really rotten decisions and kicked it up a few notches by lashing out at the people who were rightfully angry at all involved. I just wish you had shown Myrrh the kind of respect you say is extended to every other member of your linkshell. Because I don't see it. And to be honest, that's what bothers me the most. Practice what you preach.
 
I was there under the impression that both Myrrh and Soul had an equal right to the YYR. I was unaware of any arrangement made beforehand between them. If it was mentioned in pt chat, then it must have been done so either before I was in pt, or I missed it for whatever reason. So when YYR dropped I wondered when Soul was going to lot. And when he did, all hell broke loose, which at first confused me, then upset me. Why were they so pissed at Soul? I thought they were being jerks about it, and knowing what I do now about the arrangement, I apologize for thinking that way.

Myrrh, like I said in PM, I still have every intention of attending whatever pops I can until you get your YYR as well. Tonight is no problem. Saturday may be close depending on when I get out of work, but if i log in Ro'Maeve before work I might make it.
 
I just read this entire thread... and wow.

There are about... a million sensible ways one could go about dealing with a supposedly untrustworthy shell member. Being underhanded and jeopardizing their chance at an item which they clearly earned is not one of them. Leave your drama in the forums for discussion, and far far from NMs and covetted drops.

I don't know Myrrh very well, but my limted experience leads me to disagree with this negative image Xean has constructed of him.
 
Xean... jyak mentioned it but I'm gonna ask it anyway.
Why tell only ONE guy to lot the robe and not oh... the other members who needed/wanted the robe as well?
 
Rough.

I gotta say I'm a little surprised by all this. I read the 26 pages and I was honestly waiting for the "Just Kidding lolz" post, where everything went back to normal.

I've never had any reason to think anything bad about Myrrh. Granted, I don't play as much as Xean, but I've done TBH events with Myrrh, and he seems like a good guy. I have a hard time swallowing that he wouldn't have helped get another robe.

If I were in this situation, I would have passed it to Myrrh. Its just armor, it doesn't matter. Hell, since I came back broke last week, my SMN wears a Shaman's Cloak. (Eww, I know. I'm working on it.) What matters is the way you interact with the people around you. If you gotta wait one more day, then you wait one more day, and you spend that day knowing you helped make your friend happy.

Those of you bashing the entire shell: Please fall off a cliff and die. Most of us weren't even there when it happened. As far as I'm concerned, this is between Myrrh/Xean/Soulstar, and that's it. The rest of us, regardless of our opinions, don't matter in this situation. This is usually a really good shell, and up until now, I don't recall ever questioning the intentions of anyone in it.

Myrrh, I won't be on til Sunday afternoon/night, but if there is a TOD around there, or any afternoon/night next week, I can help ya out. I'm only 64, and my gear blows, but I make a pretty good shield, as most mobs like to hurt me first.
 
I got mine by accident. I didn't even know what it was. (sorry, that's probably not making you feel better.)

Yeah, fuck that shit. But I'mma keep camping him in hopes of having *some* kind of pimp BLM gear (I haven't leveled BLM because of my lack of things I want)....
 
Once i upload these SS of LS chat that i got from a friend I'mma post it and show you what the ls thought of me.
 
Wow, nice drama for a change. :shok:

Xean you fail at this thread and at your decision to tell a LS member to lot that robe. Bad call and you should apologize for it. You've made your LS look like a pile of steaming shit through all of this and not a single post of yours has helped that cause. I just feel sorry for the people that are trying to defend you and the LS, they are fighting a lost cause.

Myrrh, sorry that some asshole ninja lotted you when it appears to me that you put in a lot of hard work towards gaining that item. I hope you get the robe sometime soon and that the people responsible for this get what is coming to them down the line. It usually comes back around.

Glad I'm back playing WoW. Not feeling the FFXI vibes at the moment.
 
Myrrh, I dont give a shit about what people in that linkshell thought of you.

Anything I've ever heard about you, was great. Nothing but positive reviews. So you know what? Who cares. I'll fucking help you with your YYR too.

I will fully admit I have not read all 27 pages of this thread. I got up to page 14 when Xean started with the, incredibly mature 'yeah well your ls hacks' type response. I read the main response from Xean and Zer and I think thats about all I need.

You, out of dislike, deliberately fucked a member of your linkshell. That alone, would bring fire from the heavens if that ever happened in my linkshell(s). Alianne (sorry for misspelling) had a dislike for Myrrh because he 'boasted' about his gear. Well, it sounds like this person is jealous to me. Because, deep down inside, mayby that person is perhaps a gear whore, or wants to be. EVERYONE in this game boasts. Sometimes without realizing it. To negate someone for being proud of what they've earned and accomplished is just shameful and petty.

I have heard nothing but good things about TheBrotherhood before this point. This is so earth-shatteringly atrocious that I don't doubt that this type of under-handed activity had been present the entire tenure of your shell.

I am sorry that things had to come to this for you. I hope that it can someday be repaired and that you can come to realize the terrible fault you've caused not only to yourselves and to Myrrh, the opinions and respect of others in AND out of your shell.
 
slan·der /ˈslændər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[slan-der] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.

/shrug, doesn't sound too harsh to me, it's exactly what he did spreading around that he's not trustworthy. Stating his distaste for myrr doesn't help either.

I'll be back to game next week i think myrr, if you didn't get it by then i'll help.q
 
Wow....just...wow

Myrrh, I'm very sorry this has happened to you. I haven't been on Quetz all that long, but the few conversations we had just passing by, I can tell you're a pretty cool person. To have someone royally screw you over like that....wow.....

Sorry that happened to you....
 
I used to think Samsy and Standpoint where ok, now I see they're complete wankers.

I was angry that people were being mean to Soul for lotting because I was under the assumption the run was free lot between Myrrh and Soul. Had I known this was not the case, I never would have said such things. Again, I apologize for jumping to conclusions.
 
I love how in those SS's Samsy and Standpoint and a few others are talking that Myrrh won't help if he gets Ying Yang Robe first. How do you know Soulstars going to help the next pop if he gets it first?

You're assuming a bunch of shit you know nothing about. Those members are pathetic. Except a select few in those SS's.

Again, I probably missed it, if it was even posted by the bunch of idiots trying to defend this.. But what proof did you have besides hearsay from Anderoc that Myrrh is nothing more than a lootwhore? He's seemed pretty strong about helping everyone who wanted the robe get it.
 
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