Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

Bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.


Ah the joys of high demand R/X items...This is one of the reasons I plan on soloing my robe. x ,x;
 
When you're defending yourself against the whole board, and only long time friends/ls members are defending you...you probably made a bad decision.
 
Can i join Zer's and Xeans Dynamis and lot EVERYTHING that drops. If i get called a ninja ill jsut refer to his post.


the dynamis shell zer is in has nothing to do with this incident, its leader is Archmage, and no Xean isn't in it. and no, you're not funny.
 
Ok, I apologize if I left anything relavant out, seeing that I only made it to page 19.... of 49 O.o

Its nice to see the typical responses where people make their judgements on a lack of information. Thanks Makelith, you're a perfect example ^^
To clear up a few things, it wasn't known to us "fool leaders" that there had been an agreement made, on who was going to lot the YYR. What we knew, is that both Myrrh and Soulstar had spent time this week camping and getting the ToDs for Shiki. In our LS, which both are members of... we have 3 SMNs that need the YYR and many of our members have volunteered to help them. It has been discussed on our forum, that these 3 SMNs would be keeping track of the ToDs, and whenever people could be available they would post and go out to help.

Tonight, Myrrh and Soulstar both brought help. Both had camped and put effort, so both should have had equal lotting rights correct?

Apparently not, Myrrh had asked to have the first drop. Now going by rules of how I play, if someone else had put in as much effort as myself for something and also brought help, I would never ask to have the first drop. To me, we both get to lot and both are still expected to put in the work until both go home with the drop.

Anyways, when Shiki was killed, we were told that Soulstar hadn't lotted. We advised him to, feeling that he had just as much right to lot as Myrrh. Not knowing the agreement before hand, that advice should have been fine IF that was the situation.

A couple of people in our LS had some dealings with Myrrh, which according to them was proof he had been "gear greedy" before. I don't know the stories or details, and through all my experiences with Myrrh, this has never been the case. I can't control what other people feel through their own experiences with people. Not everyone gets along with everyone. However, let me remind everyone that the name of who was going to get the YYR wasn't important tonight, it was the fact that it was one of our LS members that would end up with it that mattered. The people going to help, do not deserve to be trashed or judged because they were there to help both Myrrh and Soulstar. Thats how TBH goes, someone needs help they request it on the forum and we do our best to get it done. Sometimes we can't do it right away, but I have yet to see a request other than an HNM drop being disregarded.

The first mistake that was made tonight is agreeing to something that would have been unfair: someone having priority lotting, when equal effort had previously been made towards the NM.

The second mistake made, is that before lotting, Soulstar should have made it clear with Myrrh that he no longer felt his initial decision was fair and that he would like to be able to lot, and the two could have discussed that.

Unfortunately, we're not perfect. This game sometimes makes people make decisions that are wrong and after talking with Soulstar, he realizes he could have made better decisions that would have entirely changed what happened.

All I have left to say is that its disappointing to hear that an endgame LS had outright ignored a request to help with this NM, until a certain popular tarutaru said it was going to be for himself... when the member helping, had apparently not received anything yet had always helped whenever needed. It bothers me that all of a sudden, my LS is being attacked and judged because of a couple of people who have voiced opinions based on their experiences, because every time Myrrh ever mentioned Shiki in LS, he was never ignored. In fact, I organized a group to help him last week while he was busy doing endgame and we were able to meet up with him. These people had nothing to gain, we went out to help because Myrrh was a LS member and we enjoy helping. I don't believe once he was ever given "silence" when he mentioned Shiki, which is apparently the treatment he was given when he requested his endgame LS help him.

To Jyakotsu - You really need to find something else to do with your time. You feed on drama way too easily, and going out of YOUR way to tarnish other people, speaks a lot about you.

To Myrrh - I'm sorry for what happened tonight. I don't feel you need to hate an entire LS when the majority wanted to help you and continue helping until all our SMNs had their YYR. I don't think you should have asked to have the first drop, because that seems a bit selfish and you both should have had equal opportunity to begin with. I understand how much you want to progress your SMN, and as i've already told you I will help you get there. The comments you made about TBH really upset me, because I was going to be taking 3-4 hrs of my time Sunday to help you get all the avatars done, and when you make your comments you're including me because i'm one of the members.

The most upsetting thing here, is what has happened because of a pixelated item that has no real value in life. People are outright attacking each other and making judgements instead of trying to find a resolution and fix things.

There was no need to bring this here. The reason why? Someone made a mistake, and has already admitted to having wished they had made better decisions. This person isn't someone that goes around ninja lotting, this is someone who has spent hours helping other lower lvl players get their subjob items, farming NMs, coffers etc. Unfortunately though, a bad decision was made and really before people start condemning someone they don't know, they should find out what has been done or is in the process of being done to rectify things.

I'm tired and I can't think of anything more to say.

Your opening statement is kind of ironic, considering this is in fact what you and Xean are guilty of. It also seems that they did not in fact put equal effort forth for this, in fact it seems, albeit by word of mouth alone, that Myrrh in fact put alot more effort into camping ToD (what help was brought is almost irrelevant, at least pertaining to "effort" by both parties). I do see that you apologized to Myrrh, which is what should be done, considering you told Soulstar to lot after you knew the mob had been killed, and the robe had dropped. Even if this isn't condoning ninja-lotting, it still creates more problems then the one you thought you were solving.

lmao i laugh at this, i seriously was just waiting for you to post. This was a coy attempt at trying to flip the blame.

First off in no way was this equal camping, because first off, I even camped this NM more than your fucking ls mate. Your ls mate was there one time, NOT 3 fucking weeks like me and myrrh, so tell me how that is equal time spent?

Secondly, you still did not display why your bf and you condoned NINJA LOTTING, read post your bf clearly admitted to telling soulstar to ninja lot it.

Thirdly, wow i still dont see an apologetic bone in your body. Still a coy attempt at passing the buck.... Awesome. Scum w/ scum i presume. Well have fun w/ your toy. I expect a full turnout for myrrhs YYR and my robe as well, unless you are going to fucking back out of your word...



As far as apologizing, look above in her post, it is actually there, though I think she should have left it at that, some of the text after takes some away from the apology. Regardless of what has happened, calling her scum will not ensure she show for both Myrrhs and your YYR.... still wondering why either of them should show for yours. Idk, I guess you were upset when you posted this, which I can understand.

Since I was the one that told Soulstar to lot, I am the one who should respond. I am the largest proponent of my conviction which I will now explicate.

I'll outright declare it here first: I told Soulstar that Myrrh (and the others with him) was not to be trusted with future endeavors towards obtaining the YYR after having received his own first.

I have noticed the behaviors Myrrh exhibited in my LS that displayed characteristics of gearwhoring. One of the most prominent examples of this include a dispute that Myrrh had with another LS member whom is very trusted, Alianne. Alianne has been designated with officer status and endowed with a pearlsack. Those in officer status have authority to maintain control within the LS when problems break out. They are not to be freely exercise and abuse this power, and it has not. There was already one occasion during which Alianne disclosed his dislike of Myrrh's boasting about the gear he owns. It happened once, and it happened another time. Myrrh again did the same thing that he was made aware of that would disgruntle an officer. Though this particular issue was handled within the LS, it succeeded in exposing Myrrh's ego and coveting of virtual equipment.
Though Myrrh would continue cursing, speaking of vulgar topics, and exasperating some members within the LS beyond the boundaries set by the linkshell rules, I did not want to remove him. In the beginning of his time joining us, I was aware of the help he was giving out to other members. This, I felt, superceded his language that really hardly harmed anyone. That was something that did stand out to me, and was pleased with. However, I was becoming disappointed as I noticed a gradual change towards selectiveness. Though it was never enough to me to warrant a removal, going with mostly his preferences showed, to an extent, a degree of selfishness. It is normal for members to become closer friends with some members than others, but to have favoritism in who to help out is something that goes against one of the tenets of the linkshell.

More concrete examples that Myrrh would be selfish when it comes to gear were made aware to me when my friend Anderoc had told me that, in endgame shells, Myrrh would be one to occasionally lot gear despite it being agreed that another member would make better use of it or was planned to lot on it. An example of this was when Necrosis was lotting for Goliard Clogs but then Myrrh suddenly lotted it, won, and said that he only lotted to beat out Necrosis.
All of this was enough for me to consider it too much a risk for Soulstar to allow Myrrh to obtain YYR. Both Myrrh and Soulstar were working keeping up Shikigami's ToD. What Soulstar already had in mind was for the high level SMNs in the LS, including Myrrh, to get their YYR. This was shown in the following image, quote: "We need to pimp out our SMNs!" Despite Soulstar's enthusiasm, throughout the rest of the topic Myrrh had never responded to that. Alone, it neither shows that Myrrh did nor did not plan to help the other SMNs get their gear. But consider what was already mentioned, and what will be mentioned.

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After I had told Soulstar to not trust Myrrh and should lot on the YYR. Peculiarly, Myrrh confronted Soulstar today with the proposition that were the YYR were to drop from Shikigami, Myrrh would be the only one to lot and thus be exclusively entitled to the drop. Soulstar conceded, eclipsing his own fears of the item dropping and going specifically to one person. The peculiar thing was that Myrrh even proposed that he be the one to first obtain the YYR. Since he is not the only SMN in the LS, and considering our LS promotes community rather than individualism, it would have been second nature to assume that all LS SMNs were entitled to the YYR were it to drop, if they were there camping of course. Instead, Myrrh followed the behaviors that correlate with the characteristics typical to self-interests. Adding to this, most of the argument from those on the other side is that Myrrh was keeping up the ToD for a longer period of time before Soulstar began. This really is irrelevant within the context of our linkshell, and exposes the self-centeredness of some people. This would have proven to be irrelevant if Shikigami continued not dropping and Soulstar would keep following up with the ToD.

After the lot was done and Soulstar obtained the YYR, I sent a /tell to Myrrh disclosing that I was the one who told him to lot the item when I was aware of his friends verbally assaulting Soulstar. I said to Myrrh why I told Soulstar to lot, which was that Myrrh was not to be trusted, as stated in the beginning of this post. Myrrh never responded to me when I told him that he couldn't be relied upon to exert the effort to help Soulstar get his own YYR. In the beginning, there might be occasional times camping, but analogous to helping other LS members in general, it would have dwindled down to little or no time and effort given.

First, the image of me /telling Myrrh:

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It is not apparent in that image that he never responded to me afterwards, if not for the following:

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The first omission that of not replying to my open distrust of Myrrh in relation to gear indicated that either he was far too upset to want to denounce it or the unspoken admittance to the truth. Though that can be open to opposing interpretations, I am one to stand on the belief that it is far more likely that not denouncing a claim is a silent surrender. This does not completely toss out the possibility that one would be too frustrated to want to do anything but be frustrated. However, for the rest of the night, I was still not confronted with a denouncement of my supposition. As the previous image shows, I was met with hostility some time after the incident. I was accused of repeating an action, which in fact could not even be repeated since Alianne had announced ahead of time that his internet connection would be down. For the past week, this has shown to be the case and continues to be so. I have already personally been to Shikigami with Myrrh, and if I really was one to condone and even encourage gear theft, I would have already told Zerayla to plan on lotting a YYR if it dropped since she plans to get SMN up at some point. On this particular case between Soulstar and Myrrh, our disagreements led to an argument. This argument wouldn't have to happen today because it already would have if I had told her to plan on doing it herself before.

Do I encourage ninjalotting? No. If this were the case, it would have already been committed before during the past KSNM runs and fairly recent Ohat run between our LS and some PhoenixPimps members, including Cmdrfly himself. What I do encourage is prevention of naivety and to being used. It was done that way because I was only made aware of this after Myrrh's lot on the YYR was made, which was too late for us to have talked between Myrrh and Soulstar to discard the ordering of YYR lotting. Had I been made aware of this before the lotting or mob even popped, I would have made sure that BOTH members were entitled to the gear.

Zer had stated in her post that alot was being said, and judged, on lack of information, and I have to say, I agree. Your first example of why Myrrh couldn't be trusted was , well, not a good example. All it sounds like is Myrrh is an asshole at times. Asshole does not equal someone who cannot be trusted. Hell some of the best friends I've ever had IRL I hated when I first met. It was your choice to allow him to remain in the ls after these "bouts" of ego, so it should never have been considered anyway. Your second example would almost be relevant if you had contacted others in that group that were there at the time. Remember there is more then one side to every story. Myrrh may have in fact wanted those boots, and just decided to rub it in that person's face when he won the lot (though that is merely an assumption, since I can't read minds). Dick, yes. Ninja lotter, remains to be seen (/proven). You may not encourage ninja-lotting on a regular basis, but what you did do was in fact encourage it the one time. "The ends do not justify the means" You believe Myrrh to be untrustworthy, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. This does not excuse the advice you gave. You have an entire ls at your disposal, you could've gotten it for Soulstar if Myrrh had in fact went back on his word. However, you didn't do this, and decided to have him lot, based on the fact Myrrh likes to fuck with people (which sums up both of your examples).


I don't care is TBH helped me ever again. It's the fact that they fucked me over like that. Had Soul told me he wanted to lot today I would have said yes. But he didn't he waiting till the last second to fuck someone who worked harder then him. GG

You have to get over this. Whether they admit it or not, they are trying to correct a mistake they made. Remember, you yourself admitted to overreacting when you posted the thread in the forum for a different ls (forget the name, it was on page 17 or 18 I think). Everyone makes mistakes, but if they want to repent for them, however many excuses they come up with, let them. What alot of people don't realize, sometimes excuses are just a defense mechanism. They are being attacked by 99% of the posters on this thread.

You missed the point. Not by your own fault, but simply by not being a member of our LS.

We try and stay away from the whole gear-bragging deal, because it IS a social LS. Alot of the members don't have alot of time to play, or just play for fun, and will never see any of the endgame gear that others have attained. If someone lands a god-piece or whatever, then we congratulate them. No harm done. But when people keep talking about their gear and how they're 5/5 AF2 and blah blah blah, it gets disheartening for the other members who have worked so hard, but dedicate themselves to helping other LS members than joining a Sky LS. Its been a policy that they have stuck by for ages, and it is pretty well-known to all members.

If they just play for fun, the bragging should not bother them. I've helped plenty of others in the past, just to watch them leave our social for other ls's. One person I stopped helping because he would refuse to help people in our ls. But I never considered lotting on something I already agreed to pass on. I also try to remember the people who have helped me (which is why I still try to pop into my dieing social ls, lol). Alot of what I do, if soloable, I solo because I detest asking for help (though recently I've gotten bitchy about farming UFO organs >.> ). Yet when someone gets something that I want, I try not to hate them for it, even if they brag about it. As far as not having time to play this game, this game takes time. Those who only play a few hours a week, end up quitting. This isnt WoW.


Forgive me if all these quotes made this post a little long, but I wanted to make sure I got some of the important posts. I think this was just a series of bad choices, which were made "under the gun" (small window for items to drop from treasure into inventory), though it should never have been considered at this point.

This is what I believe should happen. First, Soulvoice should get on (FFXI, not QCDN) and work towards getting YYR for Myrrh, as well as Xean and Zer (personally, not just sending ls members). I think Myrrh should accept their help, and he and Jya should keep the belittling to themselves. I think everyone sending tells to Xean, Zer, or Soulvoice, should stop. Nothing chases a person away quicker then an angry mob. Allow them the chance to redeem themselves. I think if all parties involved are genuine in there arguements, and tempers are allowed to cool down, this situation can easily be resolved. Also, maybe someone (who is directly involved) should look into these people saying these things about Myrrh (not to his "face"?), and resolves those issues, which seem to be at the heart of all this.
 
For all the short bus riders, I was in Mexico and found an internet thing so decided to post a nice thread so I'd have something to come home to 2 days later. It was all discovered on like page 5 lol, but I thank all the idiots who still believed it, even after seeing me running around the last few days lol.

Um...I never saw you around....then again, I'm relatively new to the Quetz and still learning.

/rerail

Myrrh got screwed! BTW, Myrrh check your PM plz, kthx!
 
Skaw you are right dude we should have QM it. Honestly everyone there we thought we could trust, from mostly firsthand experiences. We didn't know Xean and Zerayla's Nazi control reached over 40 Zonelines.

We honestly didn't believe that assholes like soulstar, zerayla, and xean were like that where they condone ninja lotting. If it was Charcoip, or Neolink in the pt, it would have been quartermastered.

This was soooo sad though lol.

never put 100% trust into anyone that plays this game, even ppl who you know IRL, as i know people who've been burned by their RL friends, as sad as that is

and lol at thinking threads like this won't tarnish somebody's reputation/image in-game, ask people about Tec or Necrosis (Nec's a friend of mine, but that's besides the point here) there are reasons why a lot of the upper-echelon endgame shells won't let certain people join, it's because they're a risk, soulstar/xean just involutarily added themselves to that risk list

soulstar will never see any of the truely luxurious end-game items because he'll never be in an LS that's good enough or has enough quality talent to accomplish those tasks, shit surrounds itself with shit, etc.

maybe he doesn't care about getting gaiters, or bahamut's staff, or a.body or whatever, and once he gets tired of sky and "helping ppl get their coffer keyz and sj itemz", he'll cancel his account
 
so what is the QCDN stuff proving here... besides giving people an inside view for a little blacklist adjustment... what do you want from QCDN? judgement? here's mine.
If you're looking for a main bad guy that'd be Xean. Telling soul to lot even when it was agreed for myrrh, especially with the timing and the lack of notification to myrrh first and the whole party helping. Xean, i always thought you were a reasonable rationale person from the boards. guess you can't judge character by a forum. you're trash, if you think a person is trash and then you backstab them to fuck them over that puts you below them on the scum ladder. It doesn't matter if myrrh had ninja lotted a million things or stolen a ls bank, it was agreed that the robe was for him. you fucked him out of it. that makes you trash. any other of the leaders who backed this decision? you go on a peg above xean but still scum, you're just the sludgy green bubbly shit halfway up. As a leader you have more responsibility and more accountability. you're there because people trusted you not to let shit like this slide. you think the linkshell needs you to wipe their asses? unlikely, you're a leader because they trusted your judgement and this is a supreme example of misplaced trust. a leader is accountable for all of his troops, balancing their needs regardless of strengths weakeneses likes and dislikes. if you thought that lowly of him, he probably shouldn't have been in your linkshell. man the fuck up. this is a clear-cut case of pure leadership failure.

Secondary badguy is of course soul. I have sympathy... well, more pity for your point of view but it takes real scum on the inside to ninja lot shit like that. whether or not you had permission from a leader to lot it, that takes a spineless person to pull that. if he had lot 900 you wouldn't have even cast lots. regardless of what you might say you probably only did it because you knew you would get the robe. are you happy with yourself now? thrilled with the robe? i hope so, i mean... it cost you and your linkshell leaders a lot of street rep to get it. well, you better hope this shell doesn't ever break.. or change leadership... because this is the shit people remember, second chances are fewer and farther between than you probably realize now but with these close knit communities... well, you've probably burned half the bridges out there. you may have had every reasonable right to lot the robe but you're trash because you agreed it was his and then you lotted it in such a way as to ensure it going to you because you knew you could.

Of course, that's all just my opinion. enjoy life with a trashed rep. i hear it's a blast.
 
honestly im tired of reading this after 27 pages so im just gonna throw my view point out. i've never really cared for xeon or his g/f. they are what seems to be "pretend nice" to me. maybe its because when i meet them they were still pretty typical noobs and acted as such. however this goes to show that they realy dont give a fuck about anyone.

Myrth you didnt tell me about this when i saw you at limbus area must of happened afterwards or somem. anyways, i know my schedule is shaddy but! you need people you /sea pan or pass or BOTH! and send me a tell ill come. i dont give a shit if im in a damn party 90% of the time im the leader and the pl they can suck it. what happened to you was wrong and it merrits you getting every damn claim here on out till you have that YYR in your inv whether you can wear it or not.

much <3 bud

PanIsPass :cool:

p.s. i pl'd his whm in late 60's!!! everyone shoot the noob :p lol j/king (i did pl him though against his WILL!)
 
I see a lot of people saying his rep is ruined. I hontestly give it 1 month before people, who glanced through this thread because of how many pages flew by in a couple hours, forget. He got himself a YYR and probably has smn lvl'd, if he talks to the right ls he can get into any ls he wants.

Flameboard, just another form of entertainment. :3
 
yea i came back after seeing teppo's post.

True that kid got his YYR by ninja lotting. He'll probably be able to get into some lower class end game shell and get what he wants... But he will never be able to get into the upper class ones that commonly use QCDN. I mean there are always LS's shouting in whitegate, know what i mean?

As for the leaders of TBH, namely Xean and Zerayla, they have been around much longer than that kid smn. Their leadership credibility lost alot of street rep because of it.. Whether they care or not is on them, but i lost alot of respect to their shell because of this incident.
 
I would like to see a SS of all the people who show up to help him get the Robe.

I wouldn't be surprised if you guys got a full alliance because everything I have ever heard about myr is positive. And I bet more people like him then a ninja-lotting dick who can't keep his word, and is so malleable he can't even think for himself what is right and what is wrong. Regardless of possible future outcomes to a course of action.

And for those who don't know:

malleable
Pronunciation: 'ma-lE-&-b&l, 'mal-y&-b&l, 'ma-l&-b&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English malliable, from Medieval Latin malleabilis, from malleare to hammer, from Latin malleus hammer -- more at MAUL
1 : capable of being extended or shaped by beating with a hammer or by the pressure of rollers
2 a : capable of being altered or controlled by outside forces or influences b : having a capacity for adaptive change
synonym see PLASTIC
- mal·lea·bil·i·ty /"ma-lE-&-'bi-l&-tE, "mal-y&-, "ma-l&-/ noun
 
why didnt anyone kick him from the party when he lotted? =/
 
why didnt anyone kick him from the party when he lotted? =/

Enny paniced, and he seriously lotted w/ about 5-10 seconds to spare... really a ninja lot.
 
Enny paniced, and he seriously lotted w/ about 5-10 seconds to spare... really a ninja lot.

damn, thats pretty shitty

sry to hear abou that, but u have T.o.D. so its not like u cant get another one, i know thats not gonna help the situation much but its the brighter side of it lol
 
I just looking at it from the outside but damn. Leaders assuming the worst of a member and telling another member to screw them before they screw you just because they THINK the other will do something wrong, wow just wow.

Running a member down behind their back. If the person is that bad, can't be trusted, is a gear whore, and can't be counted on to help others in the shell, why are they still in the shell anyway?
 
I just looking at it from the outside but damn. Leaders assuming the worst of a member and telling another member to screw them before they screw you just because they THINK the other will do something wrong, wow just wow.

Running a member down behind their back. If the person is that bad, can't be trusted, is a gear whore, and can't be counted on to help others in the shell, why are they still in the shell anyway?

QFT

TBH's leadership is seriously fubar
 
yea i came back after seeing teppo's post.

True that kid got his YYR by ninja lotting. He'll probably be able to get into some lower class end game shell and get what he wants... But he will never be able to get into the upper class ones that commonly use QCDN. I mean there are always LS's shouting in whitegate, know what i mean?

As for the leaders of TBH, namely Xean and Zerayla, they have been around much longer than that kid smn. Their leadership credibility lost alot of street rep because of it.. Whether they care or not is on them, but i lost alot of respect to their shell because of this incident.

Have to agree here any good endgame shell will do research on the subject applying to the shell.
 
I would like to see a SS of all the people who show up to help him get the Robe.
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Looks like he's got plenty there since all the partied people are helping him.

Jyakotsu is right though, Soulstar will likely never make it into a linkshell that moves beyond sky/sea; so while he'll get to do engame(gimp shells are always looking for people since they suck), he'll never move beyond the 2 year old content and get to do the really cool stuff.
 
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Looks like he's got plenty there since all the partied people are helping him.

Jyakotsu is right though, Soulstar will likely never make it into a linkshell that moves beyond sky/sea; so while he'll get to do engame(gimp shells are always looking for people since they suck), he'll never move beyond the 2 year old content and get to do the really cool stuff.[/QUOTE]

Some of the non-partied people are helping. I believe I see Standpoint in that picture, Marajade, and Vandy. All which are not a part of Fury. I believe Stand is just trying to show no hard feelings maybe?
 
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