Stealing and MPKing is the only way to go?

holy god, this thread is crazy.

sorry to hear, we've had several problems before in past too.


1000 was camping Despot in sky for 2 hours and he spawned and Horihori and Cashell took him from us, when we had clearly been camping him awhile.

i cant say that i dont see where these people are dirty >< let me know if i can help anyway.
 
Nasya

I think the reason you are able to make truces with JP Lses is because you are pratically JP.. I mean, I check you when im fishing today and you got JP text in ur bazaar comment, uve had party searches where almost all of it has been in JP except "Please invite me"

Thats one of the probs... people are ashamed of being NA on video games.. so they go and join JP Lses, suck the JP dick 24/7, ect.

just my 2 cents
 
Re: hi

Stigmatas said:
i dont know if someoen posted pics of what the GM's said about them stalling and to kill now..


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a big fuck you from the GM's at quetz~
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This reminds me of Sailor Moon when she says "In the name of the moon, i will punish you!!!"
GMs are great, i love them.



but this war....
i dont like this one bit.......
i'll retreat to my den.... anything to keep the peace.
 
Nasya please get off your high horse for a moment. Did I mention Ailia was there? He's fucking lucky he don't get MPK'ed just walking around outside the safety of towns, his history alone is enough to make him the most hated JP next to Lucifar on this server. I have no qualms making him or anyone he's affiliated with discomforted.

You don't seem to get it... the JP will not come to any peaceful resolution. Some might play more by the rules, but don't try and suck up to them to get stuff you want. You think no one knows why some of your members have been in Dragon's Aery in the last few weeks? Well...y'haven't been anymore, n' thats cause they had no intention of giving you guys anything. You don't seem to get it that there is no coming to terms with these people. You can look at what we did today anyway you like... the end result, and everything leading up to the MPK was, to us, a great victory... or at least the very start of one.
 
Lucifar sounds like a dick. His name truly fits his personality.

We need to create like an all NA HNM ls. Get together all those major ls's on quetz server and camp these nms. 3 NA HM ls and camp those same nms. The more we do it the better we will get at it. We need to show them what is up, show them that we are just as good if not better than them. If we don't do it now it will never happen. There is enough high lvl NA where we could easily try to take control of these HNMs.


Anyways, back to the main subject. Don't take it. Call SE directly and complain. GMs aren't gonna do shit as we have seen multiple times.
 
Yep, you did, and you know what, Ailia has been really great when we try to negotiate stuff with him. Is he a jerk? You bet... he used to try to MPK some of my members at serket. But guess what happened... we kept on going, and now he respects and trusts us and treats us.

Does that make him a better person for what he did or has done? Hell no.... what it does do though is show that he is open to negotiation. I don't really trust him... I won't be surprised if some day he fucks us over, but until that time I am not going to go to war with him, or anyone else, just because of their rep... The fact is we established a rapport with them and now we on a shell to shell basis don't hurt fight with each other anymore.

Same thing happened between our shell and serise at KB... After a few head butts we had a really nice thing going on there, we simply backed off when the other won claim... Currently Serise's new Kirin crew and my shell had a bit of a clash, and we worked out a schedule now so we don't conflict with each other... and for those who think we take it up the ass, they are the ones who got the short end of the stick. Furthermore, they know (believe me it was relayed to them about 30 times) that if they fuck us over in this deal we will declare all out war on them, much like you are doing now with Lucifar.

Now, about no peaceful resolutions... Let’s go into the Dragon's Aery business now than shall we... 1. I told Lorelaiy about what was going on in there a maybe a week ago so it ain't a fucking secret. 2. We have been going, we have been helping fight, and we have been getting items. If you want to ask me more about what is going on there send me a tell... it’s off topic in this thread though so I am going to abstain from going into more detail.

Drewtaru can attest to issue we had with Serise's shell, as an outside source... Ailia's rep warrants no explanation to the sorts of things we ran into at first. Yet, after butting heads for a bit we realized working together was 1. Possible and 2. Wise... why conflict and worry about who is behind your back when you can come to terms with each other?

Eladamiri: Yeah, I have Japanese and English in my bazaar comment... why use auto translate when you can do it better in the individual languages? My search comments, since you brought those up, are equally English and Japanese as well. The top is all numbers or auto translate with the O-button 's O next to places I can go (like “Sky” or “Sea” for example)... the second line usually says “よろしく~　Lv↑をしたい　誘ってください”　which means Hi, I would like to lvl. Please invite me. in Japanese. The bottom is always in English, because I find if it’s in the middle people usually miss it... and it always says "hi, I would <3 to lvl, plz invite me".

I am not ashamed of being NA, I am damned proud of it. I am in an NA LS that I started because I was sick of Kurei treating the NA in his LS like dirt. Just because I am willing to negotiate with "them" doesn't mean I want to be one of "them"... I do what I can to benefit my LS as much as possible... That means I am willing to make offers and listen to offers, and if they are good we take them and if they are crap we say "that’s BS, make it better or it’s a no go".

Last night I laid down the law with Serise and 70 other Japanese players who tried to make me step down, and if they fuck it up be sure you all will be the first to know, and I will invite the whole server to a "Get claim and CFH" party at their next event... The difference, the reason I am on a high horse, is that you guys made the first attack... If they had stolen it from you, or tried to MPK you first, while I wouldn't be applauding you, I would be giving a negative response either. I might say “hm... maybe you guys can try and talk it out...” but that would be it if anything. Frankly, I don’t give a damn what is done between groups when I am not in one of them... but when someone asks for sympathy after throwing the first stone, I can't leave that alone.

Eye for and Eye and Tooth for a Tooth is only a good argument if you got your eye plucked out first... So you got called shitty names? So the fuck what, if they said “{English}{Too Weak}” or whatever return it back to them. That's eye for an eye. Having that said to you, and than turning around and stealing something is more like committing murder because someone chipped your tooth.
 
Cohibuu: I am one person in a LS that doesn't save 2 other members who are rarely around. Furthermore, I am not that good at it... Svina also speaks Japanese, at a similar, if not better, proficiency than I do... He also, for a while, had the Japanese version though I understand he uninstalled it. I am not suggesting that he should reinstall it and use it to try and talk things out... The point is that he, and thus his LS, have the same resources as I do, so it would follow suit that the same tactics would be possible if they wanted to use them. Therefore, I am not just talking for myself.

Euphacent: Yeah, I am slightly pissed. I am being accused of sucking "the JP dick 24/7", and watching people (who I respect btw) who acted like ass-hats being turned into heroes. Meanwhile, because I said "wow that was wrong on your end too" and think that trying to work things rather than resorting to guerilla tactics might be a better solution to the problems and drama that occurs on our server, am being turned into a villain...

I can make the exact same complaints about JP NA relations as anyone else can. I have over a years worth of stories about the drama that has happened between them and myself. However, beating another group down as a first resort simply because there is conflict between you and them is ludicrous, and it aggravates and disgusts me that I seem to be the only person who sees that.

Bleh I am done with this thread… unless someone directs something to me again here. Have fun with your bloodshed and stuff… if you want to flame me send me a tell or a PM.
 
I'm sorry this is getting to be a post you made just before my last one:

Nas, HAHAHA = not laughing but more in terms of the sarcasmic (ooo did I create a warod O_O?) comment "HAHA" which goes right before most people when they say "you got what you deserved". The hole hiney joke wasn't directed at you or your shell, although it does fit for some. There are tons of people this way and not all of your LS members are this way. However, like Svina stated about you guys going for Nidhog, You guys are total tools to the JP. What about your last Kirin run where you supposidly had a deal ? They didn't forget or anything they just don't care. They tell you what you wanna hear and use you. Don't be nieve to the JP using NA players or yourelf. With all of that being said I do relize there are some tremendous JP players and I have befriended many myself, hell I saved one tonight that had two robbers on him and he was about to drop. We aren't against all JP just the ones who deserve it to us. Oberstein's LS is full of great people in which helped us on the first MPK attempt, we aren't talking about these people. We are after the asshats. So it's not like we are out to get them all. Had Oberstiens ls gotten it this wouldn't have happened. Not trying to justify the actions that took place so don't let that conservative mind think I'm trying to smooth it over, I'm not. As for peace between the NA and JP it's been what a year and a half now ? Things haven't and will never change, you have to make and force change and talking and being used gets you no where. Lucifar and friends have no honor therefore being honorable will get you no where with them.

After I got that far I copied, pasted, and exited to refresh to check for more msg's and lost train of though. This is for your last comment prior to this reply.

We didn't throw the first stone. The first time DrgAsh claimed adamantoise Lucifar proceeded to MPK us but Oberstien helped us. Is that clear ? I hope so as I have stated it preiously. You and your LS is no threat to the JP. I think you need to come down off of that bc it is clear with the whole Nidhog deal you can't dominate or hurt them only "try" to negotiate. From what I hear from some of your members your negotiations are not as stern or followed as you say ither, however, I do realize the difference between what you hear and whats true so that little Kirin deal we shall see. I'll hear about it from people and I may bite my tounge.


What we did in our eyes was right, to us. If it sickens you I offer you a bucket to throw up in and a hair clip but expect to use it alot more as this is not over. We can't all be the same nor think the same. Our ideas contradict your ideas of right and wrong. You mess with us you get messed with back no pussy footing, talking bs. Talk is cheap, always has been always will be. It's better to win by a fight, then the enemy will know they have been dominated and it's game over. I know you think differently and in the end we shall see who has the better hand.

As for what Cythe said and you catching the heat. You came in here looking for a fight with words. He however, did not. It's clearly stated in your first text you wanted to start something and when you got it you couldn't progress you just dug deeper =/ thats why you catching all the heat.

The racism in this game is not like the blacks vs. whites back in the day. There is actually a reason here and you know it. The JP's are getting territorial and don't like the fact of NA's progressing. If you think about it , it's much like Horde vs. Alliance in Warcraft but no PvP. So you make up for it via racism since pvp doesn't truely exist in FFXI. If you can't progress then the opposing faction is happy. You can't talk a horde into letting you pass to Lv up peacfully, you gonna get ganked and griefed all night until you leave hence no progression just wasted time. Ya you could be peacful at some times but there is a point to draw the line and say enough is enough and fight back.. Now is the time, it has been to damn long to not fight back for a change. If you don't like it get the hell out of the way and keep your comments to yourself ,we dont care and you can't change anything within our group. Don't like it stay out of it simply put.

We don't hate all the JP not even the majority, just some. So I don't think it is a case of racism with the NA's ut that was the easiest way to go about the last paragraph, if you can understand what I'm getting at.

I'm done with speaking with you on this curent topic have your last say if you wish but just know we think different and have different views so nothing matters in the end what is said. It's like children having a little argument. Just because lil' jimmy tells Suzy she's wrong isn't going to make her stop.

On a side note:

I hated to have to say all of this to you, but ever since the Simmy incident you seemed quick to unbefriend me so I'm not gonna let you act all innocent and think you are right and do no wrong while we on the other hand are so terrible. When you can unbefriend someone over that, that is sickening. I guess 1337ness comes before freindships...

Goodnight.
 
i'm a have to agree with sid, except that it is like the black and white thing, it started with a handful of black folks, with other black folks telling them to shut up and get to the black of the bus. but they stood up(or sat down) and got in white folks face until they got their rights. and that is exactly whats going on here. na's want to camp these mobs that jp's have owned since they got to their 70's. now that na's are getting to that strength, they getting a little butthurt that they have to share.

i'm all for not taking any shit from anyone, and if you need a clean up pt help take care of links and stuff i'm down for that until i'm strong enough to camp myself.

63drk
 
Ok, some things I need to say, voice your opinion please.

I am in Aelluia, for those of you that don't know what that is that is Ailia's linkshell, lately however I've been inactive in it due to some things that are happening. This being that once when NotoriousHunters (Maseki's LS) got the claim on Serket they were almost MPK'd by Riese and possibly Kiray. I arrived there during the second attempt and only was able to catch Riese MPKing, so I can't confirm wheter Kiray did participate or not. Riese and Kiray are both in Aelluia. When I confronted Ailia with this he seemed to try and bullshit his way a bit, sadly I can't get too much of my point across with the translator so it didn't work out so well. Since then i'm rarely ever in on Aelluia.

Before this happened I was told by various people that Ailia is known for MPK and for generally being a asswhip, but the thing is that I have yet to see him do it. As of now i've only seen few members of the linkshell actually MPK and that was on Serket.

Once when I was with Ailia at Fafnir, another linkshell showed up called Fafnirhunters, they beat us to the claim and started killing it. Unfortunately they were poorly organized it seemed and had trouble. This is the part that's important, during their fight Fafnir went yellow 3-5 times, neither of these times did Efrost or Ailia attempt to take claim and they also didn't try to MPK, it was only after the LS was wiped that they moved in on him.

Also, i have a JP friend called Kouichi who I think is in the LS that helped Svina when Lucifar tried to do the first MPK attempt. His LS was also the one that was wiped when Odhinn MPK'd for Lucifar when they got Adamantoise claim. He's also an enemy of Ailia and i'm also aware that Svina has had bad run in's with him before.

Now on topic, what happened with Aspid------- was shit. I'm sorry for what happened to Svina and his LS, but some of the truth is that you did technically in a way did take their claim, however looking into Lucifar's history this doesn't seem bad or anything but it does somehow bring it down to their level. But....., does that give him the right to MPK you? hell no, and the fact that they are allowed to hold it and not get into trouble makes it even worse. Also some of the people shown in the screenshots i've seen in Aelluia....

Now my question is, was Ailia part of the MPK or was he just looking at shit unfold? I've been having doubts about the LS for a long time now and I don't want to be associated with MPKing assholes. As for the rest again i'm sorry this happened......, if when you go for it again you need people for backup alliance to help with MPK mobs I can help.
 
Chemira,

Launcher, Daimus, and I had Ailia and Ailove train skeletons to us when we claimed Serket about 2 months ago.

Daimus changed target to the skeletons while I continued fighting serket. Well, that was a mistake because Serket turned yellow for second, and Ailove and Ailia stole Serket from us.

This my only run in with Ailia, and it was not good. IMHO Ailia is just as bad as everyone says he is.
 
As for your question Chemira, Ailia was the person who trained the mobs.

and Nasya, I didn't start this thread looking for sympathy. I started it wondering if the only way to get something is to sink to their level. While it might be fitting to put in general discussions, I knew it would turn into a flame thread one way or the other which is why I put it in here.
 
Japanese and NA players really aren't all that different, it just happens to be two easily definable groups who are seperated by a language barrier. Some Japanese players suck, cheat, manipulate or also harrass, and some don't. NA players are the same way. One thing is common among all the top players on both sides however, everyone wants to succeed.

If a linkshell allows another linkshell to walk all over them, you can bet that they will, it will be a means of success. When a linkshell begins to pose a legitimate threat, and impedes the success of another linkshell, solutions are then thought up.

In the case of Aspido, the solution that has presented itself has been steal/mpk which has obviously now spread to both sides. Three things can be resolved from such a conflict: one side gets forcably removed by a third party (GM's), one side gives up or falls apart, or the final possibility is that the two sides reach an agreement to make their lives easier. I'm fairly certain that Lucifar wont be giving up anytime soon, and as for you guys I don't know enough about your drive to make a worthy comment. If you guys manage to hinder their success enough for long enough, they may resign themselves to compromise assuming your side is also willing.

As for Fafnir, we bypassed the war stage entirely and went straight into compromise. If we're sucking their dicks, they're sucking ours right back, it's good for both sides. By showing up to the zone enough times in a row with a legitimate alliance and winning the claim, we posed ourselves as a legitimate threat. Now because of that, we get plenty of items without having to put together a full alliance at a random time every day. They get to camp fafnir without having to deal with us countercamping every day. As long as we feel like we're getting a fair deal, we'll keep with it.

No linkshell is going to get ahead by bending over and widening the road, anyone who thinks we do that is naive. You guys also feel the same way obviously. Your first post listed "we stole the mob and they MPK'ed us, omg." Not exact but that's the feeling I got from reading it. Obviously there was more to the story which has been brought up since then, but it wasn't made known originally. Speaking of which, those GM screenshots are great, I thought it was complete bs until I saw them, bravo on snagging them Reality. I don't blame you guys for declaring war, everyone has a snapping point, hell there's a Japanese LS that's pretty damn close to ours. I'll be pretty damned impressed if you guys manage to beat Lucifar in the long run. Make sure you get lots of evidense! :twisted:
 
Let me continue my rant for a bit since Nasya is pulling the "Greater than thou" bullshit. First off i wasn't bragging about the claim. "Hey look i voked a claimed mob go me!" i was simply stating i'm the one that claimed it so if you wanna bitch about the stealing bitch at me. 2nd, I'm all for negotiation....i don't think that physical force should be the first thing out of the bag, in fact i think it should be one of the last. But here's the point, some people look at words as just that, words. To lucifart, as svina dubbed him during our stalling of adamantoise thing (it was a typo but i think it fits quite will), words mean nothing to him, expecially if they come from the mouth of an NA player. I'm not being racist, infact i like 95% of the JP players i have met and done stuff with on quetz, lucifar it the racists asshole you should be making your comments too. Back to the point of negotiation, when it doesn't work something else has got to be done. Maybe it's just me but i'm only passive up to a certain point, and once that point has come and gone i get aggressive. I'm not one to just sit by and watch while somebody else fucks me over, fucks my friends over, and fucks everybody else over NA or JP. To win a war you gotta get dirty sometimes. And lastly we aren't asking to be pitied. "Oo you lost aspidochelone poor baby" no that's not what i want, and i don't think anybody else from my shell wants that either. We're asking for a little fucking support. Svina had mentioned something about a huge CC for the next time aspidoche pops, and currently there are no NA shells who can pull it off solo, but there's a few that could combine and do it. If they wanna train on us i say we get 2 people to every mob in the valley and show lucifart who he's fucking with.
 
Hey Nasya, remember back in Onzozo when we were in a PT together with Rade before he left, and you SATA'd on me and the Manticore turned around and hugged me to death? :(
 
What really bothers me is how swift and forcefully the GMs seem to punish or bully NA. We really do seem to have a lot working against us, the least should expect is equal treatment. Not being bullied around for doing what appears to be common practice before we started. Not being MPKed without reprocussions when there's no way we can retaliate without jailing. I'm not mad at anyone so much as the GMs who hold people to different standards based on race.

If nothing else, that's why NA should stick together sometimes. If nothing else, we have to acknowledge a problem exists. Yes, negotiation is great, but how fair are the terms, when a war would be tilted completely against you? The difference is you have to negotiate, they can get away with breaking the rules.

No, that doesn't make you a kiss-ass or pushover by negotiating, and yes overtime it probably helps the problem by simply gaining respect. However it doesn't diminish the fact the problem exists, and howpeople chose to react to this problem is their own choice and right.[/b]
 
what'd I tell ya? Lucifar's LS and Lucifar are fucktards that just wanna MPK and get things their way... you know what we should all do? Every NA or basically non-JP should just start MPKing non-stop... do it... why not? he's an ass and deserves it... don't go outta your way to (Unless you wanna :D) and just MPK the FUCK outta him.. he needs to be bitch slapped into submission >.>
 
err.. fucking double post.. Uzor.. next time you guys go to try and claim aspid... I wanna go.. not to help with Aspid.. but to help with the monsters he trains.. I can get other people to go too.. people from Maseki's LS when they are free.... like firestreak said.. it's really time we start working together...
 
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